[QUOTE=AaronM202;29207055]Im thinking a better meathod of teleportation is making holes.
You know, like portal, instead of destroying you and recreating you somewhere else, you'd step through a hole.[/QUOTE]
how would the hole work if not destroying your particles where they touch the portal and then recreating them at other end where they come out
your post makes no sense
[QUOTE=Fippe;29220163]how would the hole work if not destroying your particles where they touch the portal and then recreating them at other end where they come out
your post makes no sense[/QUOTE]
Wormholes. Connections between two points in spacetime that would otherwise be quite distant.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29207095]I haven't denied consciousness exists.[/QUOTE]
the simple fact of the matter is there is no way to tell aside from speculations
one type of person is going to see it "you die and a clone takes your place" kind of way, and the other is going to find it as "you do not die because the clone retains consciousness" like yourself
now please stop debating the impossible
but that's exactly the point.
This, is amazing. Teleporting packets of light is very useful for internet and communications. Not only that, but we possibly have found some way to enable FTL communcations if we work on this. Man, science is awesome!
[QUOTE=Neo222;29222068]This, is amazing. Teleporting packets of light is very useful for internet and communications. Not only that, but we possibly have found some way to enable FTL communcations if we work on this. Man, science is awesome![/QUOTE]
It could also be used to increase processor speed since processors have pretty much hit the physical limit for how fast they can go.
Entangled particles? Does that mean I can talk with TIM?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29227247]It could also be used to increase processor speed since processors have pretty much hit the physical limit for how fast they can go.[/QUOTE]
This. We have computers using this new technology, they will be insanely fast. Since it teleports light and not bring them through wires, imagine our computers loading up in a matter of five seconds.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29214190]There is so very little understanding of the human brain that no one can for sure say what conciousness is.[/QUOTE]
this just isn't true
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29204227]An exact copy IS the same person. There is no soul or metaphysical essence of person. A person consists entirely of the physical state of their body.[/QUOTE]
Even though in a physical manner there is no distinguishable difference between the original object and the "teleported copy", I have to disagree: A copy of an object A to an object B doesn't mean that both are the same instance, even though they are identically in every part.
If you define a "soul" as an "instance of someone's mind", teleporting that person using quantum-teleportation (even though I do not think that will work in any way like that in the far future for something lika a human) does not preserve that instance. It will make a copy of it instead and get rid of the old. That "copied" person might act like the "original" one but actually isn't.
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[QUOTE=windwakr;29205330]Ugh, we get a new article on entaglement like every week.
How is this different from all the other ones?[/QUOTE]
It isn't. At least not according to that article. It's just doing all the "bla - entanglement - bla - teleportation" stuff all other articles on the same subject did before. To get the real "breakthrough" (if there are any besides of a "news reporter who just got this as 'new news'"), you have to read the paper they released.
I don't think consciousness is conserved
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29206147]How the hell do you carry out a theoretical experiment?
Also for telecommunications, this is awesome. I don't care about computers and shit, I want to have communication with a Mars station in real time.[/QUOTE]
Entanglement does not allow real-time communication since it is random. Without checking both measurements against each other with a data link equal or less to the speed of light, you don't gain any useful information
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[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29207155]This is my point. If no test can distinguish you and your copy, how can you say that they are different? This has defined my understanding of consciousness, not the other way around.[/QUOTE]
If I copy a file on my harddisk, both are identical concerning the "information"/data. I can even delete the original file now. But both lay on different locations on the actual physical drive. This is similar to teleportation. That's why most people see the philosophical aspect of you "dying" even though a copy of is now at another location.
What if you teleported just the tip of your finger? Would it act as if it was cut off or just disappear.
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and now that I think about it, this could be so useful for medical things. Say someone in california needs a heart transplant and the nearest compatible heart is in new york, just shove it in the teleporter and get a replica straight away in california.
prepare for unfurseen consequences
[QUOTE=Turnips5;29228617]I don't think consciousness is conserved[/QUOTE]
If it duplicates everything perfectly why wouldn't it be conserved?
[QUOTE=Chrille;29237756]If it duplicates everything perfectly why wouldn't it be conserved?[/QUOTE]
Because everything moved is destroyed.
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Yes, it would be identical. But it would not be the same in every way. If you were teleported, you would basically be dead. Your body would be alive, but it wouldn't be "you" living in it.
[QUOTE=FlapadarV2;29237777]Because everything moved is destroyed.
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Yes, it would be identical. But it would not be the same in every way. If you were teleported, you would basically be dead. Your body would be alive, but it wouldn't be "you" living in it.[/QUOTE]
I know the principles of teleportation. But I meant, there wouldn't be any reason for the consciousness not to get duplicated as well.
edit: unless I just derped out and he meant the original consciousness
really facepunch? and especially johnnymo1. honestly, this whole "you" consciousness conservation, i figured it out at least 3 years ago, and i didn't bother bringing it up because i figured it was quite obvious and everyone else already understood this. there's an article on cracked explaining it for fucks sake.
you are your awareness and consciousness. when you die this disappears. that's all death is. when you get teleported by this method, you die. it's completely irrelivant that whatever comes out on the other side.
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[QUOTE=Chrille;29237899]I know the principles of teleportation. But I meant, there wouldn't be any reason for the consciousness not to get duplicated as well.
[b]edit: unless I just derped out and he meant the original consciousness[/b][/QUOTE]
ding ding ding we have a [img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/winner.png[/img]
Was Schrodinger's cat what Barney referred to in Half Life 2?
I don't understand what I just read but it sounds cool.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29228467]this just isn't true[/QUOTE]
The only way to increase their speed now is to add extra cores, or at least the only cost effective way any how.
[QUOTE=Kaios;29238902]Was Schrodinger's cat what Barney referred to in Half Life 2?[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE=bootv2;29240309]this, for the ones in this thread who know basic coding:[cpp]human a;//change some variables to make it a human of it's own.
human b;//do nothing to change
b = a;//while b now has the same content as a, and thus acts exactly the same. is it the same? or is it just a copy?
a.~human();
[/cpp]
this is basically, create human a, and change it to be a 'special' human of which there is no other.
then create human b.
make human b be exactly the same as a, aka make a copy.
delete a.
b isn't a, it's just b, with the content of a, and thus it is exactly the same as a, but it isn't the same entity.[/QUOTE]
Unless you use a reference
:eng101:
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But quantum superpositions don't so that won't happen.
Why can't we ,instead of destroying the particles and making an exact replica, use the disassembled particles to reform the person again?
Packets of light?
How is transferring photos, a breakthrough... Optical Fibres could do it 10 times faster.
We probably can never transport human beings using teleportation. But in the future, we might be able to teleport inanimate objects.
[QUOTE=AK'z;29242870]Packets of light?
How is transferring photos, a breakthrough... Optical Fibres could do it 10 times faster.[/QUOTE]
It's a start, eventually they'll improve the technology.
Simple solution for teleporting humans.
Instead of teleporting you where you want to go teleport where you want to go to you :eng101:
Just build a really big time machine for planets and shit.
[QUOTE=FlapadarV2;29237777]Yes, it would be identical. But it would not be the same in every way. If you were teleported, you would basically be dead. Your body would be alive, but it wouldn't be "you" living in it.[/QUOTE]
This is the kind of statement I don't understand. Two identical systems in two different places and people assert that they're not the same. That implies there's some sort of metaphysical "youness" that isn't being taken into account.
They don't declare the distance though...
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