• This shit again? Fast Food workers on strike for higher wage. (15$/hour)
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If this goes through, even at just $12-13, it's time to renegotiate my contract. I'm not going to do tradeskill-based work and have people in the fucking service industry make a good fraction of what I'm making. Sure, I'm an asshole for saying that but this will cause inflation to skyrocket and I don't want to sacrifice my lifestyle and the value of my work.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45512727]I'll never understand why anyone who isn't a greedy rich person would be against people making a living wage at a full time job[/QUOTE] Because they've never had to use their own money to buy their imported Ukrainian gas masks and basement window shades.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45512727]I'll never understand why anyone who isn't a greedy rich person would be against people making a living wage at a full time job[/QUOTE] I'm all for a living wage but it needs to be done in moderation. People have the right to a roof over their heads, food to eat, some luxury here and there and the ability to walk out of the hospital and not go $150,000 in debt after. Skilled and educated workers need to be rewarded and pay needs to be renegotiated and boosted in response to the minimum wage going up because the value of your work has gone down in comparison.
[QUOTE=markg06;45512713]Ignoring they're paying more for everything since their minimum wage is higher than most places.[/QUOTE] Not really that much more, imported stuff costs more because you know we can't really import stuff by land.
When my mother was young and escaped the Polish People's Republic (fancy name of communist oppressed Poland, the borders were closed and our freedom was intensively limited) to Germany she got some odd job carrying leaflets or newspapers for the equal of today 40 PLN, that would be 13 USD per hour for walking around the city handing out pieces of paper.
lol they are like "We didn't take school seriously and ignored collage but we still want high wages for flipping burgers".
I love the sentiment "I make X and $15 is more than I make so that's unreasonable"
[QUOTE=proch;45512984]When my mother was young and escaped the Polish People's Republic (fancy name of communist oppressed Poland, the borders were closed and our freedom was intensively limited) to Germany she got some odd job carrying leaflets or newspapers for the equal of today 40 PLN, that would be 13 USD per hour for walking around the city handing out pieces of paper.[/QUOTE] I don't want to steer off topic but how did she escape the PPR if the borders were closed, and was it West Germany or the GDR?
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;45513030]I love the sentiment "I make X and $15 is more than I make so that's unreasonable"[/QUOTE] Why is that something bad. If someone has a harder or more important job there's nothing wrong with wanting to make more than someone with a easier or less important job. That's like, logic.
[QUOTE=proch;45513045]Why is that something bad. If someone has a harder or more important job there's nothing wrong with wanting to make more than someone with a easier or less important job. That's like, logic.[/QUOTE] Logic would be we should be paid even higher!
[QUOTE=proch;45513045]Why is that something bad. If someone has a harder or more important job there's nothing wrong with wanting to make more than someone with a easier or less important job. That's like, logic.[/QUOTE] "Everyone should be paid as low as me because fuck them" is a much worse thought process than "I should be paid more for my terrible job."
[QUOTE=rewkasu;45513029]lol they are like "We didn't take school seriously and ignored collage but we still want high wages for flipping burgers".[/QUOTE] why do people like you always assume people stuck in shit jobs somehow deserve to be there?, and whats wrong with wanting a wage you can actually live on?
[QUOTE=Paramud;45513088]"Everyone should be paid as low as me because fuck them" is a much worse thought process than "I should be paid more for my terrible job."[/QUOTE] From my standpoint, my job is more intellectually-demanding and that comes with stress. It's definitely challenging work. Manual labor always has and always will pay less than what I do so why should I take a decrease in my lifestyle, something that requires an actual trade skill just because the service industry wants to stop getting screwed by employers? My salary was based on that number at some level so it'd be ridiculous to just ignore a double in pay all of a sudden.
[QUOTE=rewkasu;45513029]lol they are like "We didn't take school seriously and ignored collage but we still want high wages for flipping burgers".[/QUOTE] Someone certainly must have ignored college to not only misspell it but to also think that 'flipping burgers' is actually what these jobs entail.
[QUOTE=rewkasu;45513029]lol they are like "We didn't take school seriously and ignored collage but we still want high wages for flipping burgers".[/QUOTE] Before I started working in a grocery store I had a fairly similar outlook; it seemed to me like the people who worked in places like retail or fast food were usually your high school drop out types and general 'failures' of society. To be fair, a portion of them [I]are[/I], but having worked in that area for two and a half years now do you know what I've noticed? For the vast majority of people it's merely a temporary thing; it's somewhere that they work during a transitional period in their life. A fair chunk of my coworkers, like myself, are students (some of them university students like me, some high school students). A fair portion of those who remain are parents who want to be able to spend time with their children during the day and so work in a grocery store where the normal shift is 8 pm - midnight, or who are working a second job for some extra cash. Very few of the people who work this kind of work are doing so because it's all they can do, it just happens to be all they can do at that point in their life.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;45513030]I love the sentiment "I make X and $15 is more than I make so that's unreasonable"[/QUOTE] They are not fighting so only fast food workers get an increase, they are fighting for a higher minimum wage. If they succeed and you make less than the new minimum, CONGRATS you get higher pay too!
[QUOTE=Paramud;45513088]"Everyone should be paid as low as me because fuck them" is a much worse thought process than "I should be paid more for my terrible job."[/QUOTE] If you say so. That's not even close to what I said, however.
[QUOTE=rewkasu;45513029]lol they are like "We didn't take school seriously and ignored collage but we still want high wages for flipping burgers".[/QUOTE] you dont have to fail in school to work in fast food you dumbass it could be a part time or casual job
Oh boy, can't wait for my $40 per hour to go up. Come on boys, if yours gets raised, so does mine, and I can get that Mercedes-Benz I want.
Anyway $15 is way too fucking much but working in fast food really is shit. I know this from experience
I love this idea that people's worth are directly tied to how marketable their skills are. Because of COURSE the multitude of people working shitty jobs must be the dregs of society that don't deserve to live comfortably or well.
[QUOTE=Araknid;45513900]you dont have to fail in school to work in fast food you dumbass it could be a part time or casual job[/QUOTE] But the people that are bitching about this surely are those that have to work there because they failed school.
[QUOTE=rewkasu;45514088]But the people that are bitching about this surely are those that have to work there because they failed school.[/QUOTE] Why? Surely students would benefit by not having to work as many hours but still make the same income; they could spend the extra time studying (or, hell, looking for something like an internship somewhere related to what they're doing). I'm sure the people who don't have as many options would probably be more vocal in wanting a pay-rise, but that's not to say that others wouldn't benefit.
Having worked fast food, the wage definitely needs to be raised but $15 is too much.
I'll never understand how anyone can think that someone who works 8 hours a day 5 days a week doesn't deserve to make enough money to live because "They don't work as hard as me!"
Yeah, if you have skills in a trade and you're actively working in that trade, who cares what the service sector makes? There's high turnover and job loss rates, whereas you are probably securely positioned as one of the relatively few people in the area who knows how to do what you do.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45514284]I'll never understand how anyone can think that someone who works 8 hours a day 5 days a week doesn't deserve to make enough money to live because "They don't work as hard as me!"[/QUOTE]Because I have trade bla bla fuck those plebs living a decent life, they should live paycheck to paycheck because they don't have trade I do. Lol if your trade brings you as much as unskilled labor, you're either getting ripped off or your trade is kinda shit.
Working retail/in the service industry is a miserable nightmare that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy and anyone who looks down on the people who spend every day dealing with belligerent consumers is an asshole. Every job should provide a living wage, no matter how lowly.
God I would love a federal increase in minimum wage. The wage in the state of Iowa is $7.25/hour and I literally can't live off it. I have to work obscene hours to get by and still somehow stay in school
[QUOTE=rewkasu;45513029]lol they are like "We didn't take school seriously and ignored collage but we still want high wages for flipping burgers".[/QUOTE] Everyone else has already smashed you for this, but let's go a little further. There are several problems in play here. First is the fact that minimum wage in the USA is difficult if not outright impossible to survive on unless you work 50+ hours a week. The second is attitudes like yours, by which I mean this attitude that people who work in the service industry are "lowly," which is something I've seen a lot of both in person and online. The third is how much it costs to go to college, which means that a lot of people straight up don't have the opportunity to do that kind of schooling. And that's only a few of them. Nobody should be denied a living wage (or forced to work two jobs to make said wage) just because they work a minimally skilled job. These jobs are going to exist far, far into the foreseeable future, so why shouldn't the people who choose or are otherwise limited to working these kinds of jobs earn enough to support themselves at the very least?
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