This shit again? Fast Food workers on strike for higher wage. (15$/hour)
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15 an hour for flipping burgers? I make 10 an hour and I work security, and I don't bitch about it. Security is an easy field to get in to as well. Hell, if you start with event security, they will even pay for the license, and all you have to do is pay the taxes. Then you can get another security job, and build upon that.
[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;45519278]I work for 21 an hour in fast food.
I ain't complaining.
[sp]before you all throw a hissy fit australias cost of living is high as fuck[/sp][/QUOTE]
I've always wondered about how AUS get so fucked over... is it inflation or just terrible taxing?
[QUOTE=Code3Response;45519323]I've always wondered about how AUS get so fucked over... is it inflation or just terrible taxing?[/QUOTE]
I think it has something to do with he fact that a lot of the shit they have to buy has to be imported, but don't quote me on that.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;45519291]As it's been said in this thread and countless threads before, that's not how inflation works. Prices would MAYBE go up a few cents, and minimum wage has fallen so far behind the rate of inflation it's laughable.[/QUOTE]
Going to the movies is $20. Buying a game is like $90. An apartment is nearly doubled and that's [b]with a government that actually cares about the people's interests[/b]. We don't have that sort of protection in the United States because of the ~free market~ and we have people stupid enough to defend the interests of billionaires and CEOs that make 10X what they'll make in a lifetime in a single year's salary rather than fight for their own self-interests. Imagine how much shit they'd get away with over here.
It kind of works for Australia. There's no way it'd work over here without a serious overhaul and I don't trust the US government to seriously overhaul anything.
[QUOTE=Korova;45519316]Honestly, I'd like you to answer this because I have friends in Australia making the minimum and they're living pretty comparable to how they'd live on minimum wage here. How far does your $21/hour go?
Of course your quality of living is going to be better compared to the U.S. due to universal health care, your government doesn't let corporations rape the people despite going against the majority's self-interests for the most part and the government is being paid more while actually spending it on citizen's lives (this is completely obscure to me, I honestly don't know what that's like).[/QUOTE]
Last year I was barely managing to survive on 350/week for rent, food, bills and transport.
I was in a middle class area though so rent wasnt exactly cheap, but that was basically what I needed to survive.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45519021]So just accept it without any evidence. No thanks.[/QUOTE]
It's called the "Offer-Concession Strategy. It's a fucking basic tool of contract negotiation.
[quote]The "offer-concession" strategy. Make sure the other side leaves the negotiation feeling they've made a good deal. The offers you make should always leave you enough wiggle room to make acceptable concessions to the other side. Or as one businessman put it, "The most important trip you may take in life is meeting people half way." This also means you shouldn't start negotiations by revealing your absolute bottom line. If you instead leave yourself room to negotiate, you'll make the other party feel that they've won something -- and you may be surprised to find that the other party is willing to give more than you would have been willing to accept. [/quote]
[QUOTE=bdd458;45519401]It's called the "Offer-Concession Strategy. It's a fucking basic tool of contract negotiation.[/QUOTE]
Well good, be smart and negotiate with me.
No ones saying your salary wouldn't change or shouldn't change.
Just that those people deserve living wages too because "BOOTSTRAPS BOOTSTRAPS BOOTSTRAPS" doesn't usually work
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45519507]No ones saying your salary wouldn't change or shouldn't change.
Just that those people deserve living wages too because "BOOTSTRAPS BOOTSTRAPS BOOTSTRAPS" doesn't usually work[/QUOTE]
That is an extremely impressive case of your automerge being broken.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];45518988']Let me compare with my location.
$4,000 for a [del]car/truck that's reliable to get you to work with good mileage[/del] ten year old used car in fair shape with bad mileage. I know this one for a fact because I'm seeking out a vehicle now.
[del]$600 a year in gas[/del] $2000 a year at [del]13[/del] 18 miles a day commuting/driving average, at $3.75 a gallon current price. This is with a vehicle with bad gas mileage that's affordable on a $3500 budget.
[del]$2,580 for a down payment on a $14,000 home (my area has a dozen homes in that price right now) with a $50 a month mortgage, which comes out to $600 a year.[/del] This is just a fantasy holy shit. What fucking country do you live in? $14,000 for a home would hardly even get you a shack in the country here. There are fucking barns without electricity that are more expensive than that. While I'll say where I'm living now does have higher costs, back home, just outside of literally one of the economically shittiest areas in the country, $14,000 is still a pipe dream for a decent place. And I've never had $2,500 all at once in my life on $8.25 an hour or less at full time. You're full of shit.
$710 annual electricity bill for average usage.
$420 annual water and sewage bill. This is only really the case here because I live next to the Great Lakes. I know down south it's less so and in the southwest it's ridiculously more expensive.
[del]$510 annual homeowners insurance[/del] Even with the lowest average ho insurance rate, around 60$/month, that still adds up to be more than this.
[del]$540 annual auto insurance.[/del] My state has an average of $2500 annual.
$1800 annual food budget at $150 a month. While I can agree with this becuase I spend less than this per month on food: $100 a month, and that breaks down to a bowl of cereal every morning, 3 litres of soda per week, coffee, 1 Gatorade a day, 1 bagel a day, and occasionally sandwich fixings, protein drink, milk, creamer, and some faux chicken frozen stuff, there's no way that a peron with a family or who is eating healthily can live off of 150$ a week. I work at a grocery store, food prices are going up and a family of four spends close to 300$/week at minimum.
Further, while the $15,000 isn't a bad estimate (if you consider full time to be 40 hours and hours aren't variable as they often are in min wage jobs) you're still not considering the 5-20% that uncle sam is going to take out of your paycheck each week.
So basically, your location is pretty fucking low cost of living or you're full of shit.[/QUOTE]
My location is cheap, midwest US and a lower than average home cost in my city of 65,000. All those numbers I said are accurate to my area and my own bills. Also, that homeowners insurance were real quotes, I used the house listed as the criteria for the insurance. The insurance was my old insurance rate for my previous 97' owned Jetta, which also got 34mpg. Here's some of the sub $15,000 homes for sale currently in my city.
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/3115096867-1121-S-7th-St-Terre-Haute-IN-47802[/URL]
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/3154444352-516-N-25th-St-Terre-Haute-IN-47803[/URL]
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/1081394829-2015-4th-Ave-Terre-Haute-IN-47807[/URL]
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/3148483735-9528-E-Grimes-Ave-Terre-Haute-IN-47803[/URL]
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/3141195628-1815-N-10th-St-Terre-Haute-IN-47804[/URL]
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/3138640881-2108-Tippecanoe-St-Terre-Haute-IN-47807[/URL]
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/3160217022-1123-Walnut-St-Terre-Haute-IN-47807[/URL]
Perfect? Nope, but livable and better than throwing money into rent. But again, I'm lucky and in an area that's cheap. A few years in a house like that and you can either put money towards renovation or save towards a better home as your financial state betters. I know plenty of friends who rent worse places for much more money in the same area.
Also, I said your take home here on $15,000 is around $13,200.
Of course each state and city is different, and wage should reflect that. That example was specific to my area.
[QUOTE=Korova;45519151]I'm not formally educated. I was self-taught but [b]I still have more value to the company than the guy mopping the floors.[/b] The amount I'm paid, the benefits I receive and the structure of the interviewing process emphasizes this. Also in this industry, age comes with experience and that is valuable (up to a point, no one wants a dinosaur that wrote programs for MS DOS back in the 80s).
The fact that I have the ability to negotiate my contract, salary and benefits and all without being laughed out of the room already puts me at a higher social class than the sixteen year old working at McDonalds and the waitress at Red Robin. Yeah, it's a dickish thing to say but I'm not going to pretend it's not true.[/QUOTE]
yeh?
get rid of the guy mopping the floors and see how an average workplace looks in about a day
it only gets worse from there
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they make your life more cozy yet you're so entitled that you don't even realize it
[editline]28th July 2014[/editline]
i bet you think that immigrants are taking 'merican jobs too
Actually floor cleaning robots can take their jobs. Self serving kiosks can take cashiers jobs, and one day you could possibly even make machines the prepare the food ordered by themselves. A lot of jobs can be automated, but that opens up new job opportunities.
[QUOTE=Ajacks;45519734]My location is cheap, midwest US and a lower than average home cost in my city of 65,000. All those numbers I said are accurate to my area and my own bills. Also, that homeowners insurance were real quotes, I used the house listed as the criteria for the insurance. The insurance was my old insurance rate for my previous 97' owned Jetta, which also got 34mpg. Here's some of the sub $15,000 homes for sale currently in my city.
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/3115096867-1121-S-7th-St-Terre-Haute-IN-47802[/URL]
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/3154444352-516-N-25th-St-Terre-Haute-IN-47803[/URL]
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/1081394829-2015-4th-Ave-Terre-Haute-IN-47807[/URL]
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/3148483735-9528-E-Grimes-Ave-Terre-Haute-IN-47803[/URL]
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/3141195628-1815-N-10th-St-Terre-Haute-IN-47804[/URL]
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/3138640881-2108-Tippecanoe-St-Terre-Haute-IN-47807[/URL]
[URL]http://www.trulia.com/property/3160217022-1123-Walnut-St-Terre-Haute-IN-47807[/URL]
Perfect? Nope, but livable and better than throwing money into rent. But again, I'm lucky and in an area that's cheap. A few years in a house like that and you can either put money towards renovation or save towards a better home as your financial state betters. I know plenty of friends who rent worse places for much more money in the same area.
Also, I said your take home here on $15,000 is around $13,200.
Of course each state and city is different, and wage should reflect that. That example was specific to my area.[/QUOTE]
jesus christ no wonder you got a stupidly low number, its fucking Indiana. Georgia lots are around $15K alone, houses range from $25K to fucking $200K. let me guess, I should pack my shit up and move to somewhere cheaper with all this money i have laying around.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;45520203]Actually floor cleaning robots can take their jobs. Self serving kiosks can take cashiers jobs, and one day you could possibly even make machines the prepare the food ordered by themselves. A lot of jobs can be automated, but that opens up new job opportunities.[/QUOTE]
fyi
janitorial work doesn't only entail cleaning floors
[QUOTE=codemaster85;45520244]jesus christ no wonder you got a stupidly low number, its fucking Indiana. Georgia lots are around $15K alone, houses range from $25K to fucking $200K. let me guess, I should pack my shit up and move to somewhere cheaper with all this money i have laying around.[/QUOTE]
Hell, even $25k is low. In my area in Connecticut, I think you'd be lucky to find a house of any kind that's cheaper than $100k, with the majority being well above $200k. Hell, it's difficult enough to find rentals lower than $800-1000 a month...for one person. Shit's expensive.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;45520277]Hell, even $25k is low. In my area in Connecticut, I think you'd be lucky to find a house of any kind that's cheaper than $100k, with the majority being well above $200k. Hell, it's difficult enough to find rentals lower than $800-1000 a month...for one person. Shit's expensive.[/QUOTE]Isn't that why mortgages are so popular?
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;45520203]Actually floor cleaning robots can take their jobs. Self serving kiosks can take cashiers jobs, and one day you could possibly even make machines the prepare the food ordered by themselves. A lot of jobs can be automated, but that opens up new job opportunities.[/QUOTE]
At massive costs to the companies, and of course once you have the machines you're going to be paying a skilled specialist to make sure the machines function. And then you have to hire a team of technical folks with expensive degrees to keep one-upping your competition, because all of a sudden you're competing not only for customers, but you've opened up the front of mechanical and technical superiority where an equal human capital market was.
It's not so easily done. And even if it were, I'll bet you that there would be [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite"]reaction[/URL].
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45520304]You do realize that, of the homes you listed, half are in need of dire work before they are livable, and one is even condemned, meaning you can't live there.
Buying one of those would be a great way to sink 20 grand into renovations before you could even live there. One doesn't even have sewer/septic tank, you'd have to install one before you could even take a shit in your new home.
Come on now, you're not going to buy, and live in, a house at 14k. At least.. not safely.[/QUOTE]
This. I can find plenty of homes for under a thousand buck east and north of here, but none of them are livable.
[QUOTE=Martele;45516743]You can make it if you bust your ass.[/QUOTE]
i've never seen a bigger lie in my entire life
USA is third world
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45520324]Hell, I've got a house near me listed at 1,500$, it needs a new roof, has been condemned by the city, needs ALL new plumbing, and all new electrical. But it's 1,500$.[/QUOTE]
I've got an old refrigerator box in my parents' garage we can use for free
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];45516698']See, I've worked in a grocery store for close to the same period of time and I can say that my experience is somewhat similar.[/QUOTE]
Then why the disagree rating out of interest? We seem to agree that people working those jobs aren't failures of society, and even if they were they're still entitled to earn a living and not live in poverty :S
People deserve a higher wage.
All people.
I can see how it could hurt small businesses that might not have the profit margin to suddenly pay ~6 more dollars/hour to their staff, but for fucks sake, big corps have no reason to not pay a livable wage.
I live in Norfolk, home to the largest Naval base in the god damn world, and just talking to some of the Sailors that come through, both the career full-time and the reservists/ Nat Guard members, most of them joined up for the guaranteed check, a good portion of them work secondary jobs and they STILL struggle to make ends meet.
Wages have not gone up with inflation while the prices for shit has, does that make a lick of fucking sense?
People should be able to live off of minimum wage. They should be able to spend a little money on something other than bare needs.
You have to go to college before most employers will even consider you. A college education that many times will have barely any impact upon what you actually end up doing. The short truth being that any fucking monkey could work most jobs in America if employers bothered training people who weren't fucking $100k+ in debt to the government from student loans.
So good on everybody that is striking, our economy is bullshit.
[QUOTE=sltungle;45520819]Then why the disagree rating out of interest? We seem to agree that people working those jobs aren't failures of society, and even if they were they're still entitled to earn a living and not live in poverty :S[/QUOTE]
mostly because I misunderstood what you were saying before I wrote the post and realized midway through.
[QUOTE=OrDnAs;45520557]USA is third world[/QUOTE]
not yet, but don't worry, they'll get there soon enough at that rate.
I'm paid $20 an hour as a part time chef
I think minimum wage in Australia for adults (Over 18) is $15, but most places ive heard pay $20/hour anyway.
[QUOTE=proch;45513045]Why is that something bad.
If someone has a harder or more important job there's nothing wrong with wanting to make more than someone with a easier or less important job.
That's like, logic.[/QUOTE]
No, it's selfish in the way "I have it worse than you so you should have it as bad as me". It's an anti-progressivist sentiment that goes the opposite way and only drags everybody down in the process
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[QUOTE=DepDirkson;45520922]People deserve a higher wage.
All people.[/QUOTE]
basically this
[editline]28th July 2014[/editline]
It's been shown repeatedly that increasing minimum wages is good for the economy and doesn't hurt jobs. Quoting somebody else:
[quote]while it is rarely disputed in academic literature that a rise in minimum wage causes higher unemployment, the variance between these papers is whether or not this rise in unemployment is significant.
[url]http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage-2013-02.pdf[/url]
"This report examines the most recent wave of this research – roughly since 2000 – to determine the best current estimates of the impact of increases in the minimum wage on the employment prospects of low-wage workers. The weight of that evidence points to little or no employment response to modest increases in the minimum wage."
however, the long-term unemployment effects regarding minimum wage are more complex. if the wider body of individuals have more disposable income, this income can be used to buy things that they would have otherwise been unwilling/unable to purchase due to economic restraints. more consumer spending then leads to better employment figures, because businesses will need to hire more workers to make up for increased demand.
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/an58x461wr4zrem/Dube_MinimumWagesFamilyIncomes.pdf[/url]
"I use data from the March Current Population Survey between 1990 and 2012 to evaluate the effect of minimum wages on the distribution of family incomes for non-elderly individuals. I ?nd robust evidence that higher minimum wages moderately reduce the share of individuals with incomes below 50, 75 and 100 percent of the federal poverty line."
furthermore, there is a personal argument: providing living wages to workers increases their overall happiness and thus their productivity. after all, if you're not being paid enough (or only barely being paid enough) money by your job to support yourself, that is a significant element of stress and distress, enough to impact the health of a worker and as a result the quality of their work.
finally, given that a minimum wage increase would reduce poverty, it would also logically reduce income inequality; a problem which, according to recent literature, is a major roadblock to economic recovery:
[url]http://pages.wustl.edu/files/pages/imce/fazz/cyn-fazz_consinequ_130113.pdf[/url]
"Rising inequality reduced income growth for the bottom 95 percent of the income distribution beginning about 1980, but that group's consumption growth did not fall proportionally. Instead, lower saving led to increasing balance sheet fragility for the bottom 95 percent, eventually triggering the Great Recession. We decompose consumption and saving across income groups. The consumption-income ratio of the bottom 95 percent fell sharply in the recession, consistent with tighter borrowing constraints. The top 5 percent ratio rose, consistent with consumption smoothing. The inability of the bottom 95 percent to generate adequate demand helps explain the slow recovery."[/quote]
Over here you get 8.70$ circa, and it's far from what you'd need to survive
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;45518638]it's still cheaper in hours worked
over here lets say gta is 60 dollars and over there its 100(usd converted, 60 in austrailian dollars)
we would need to work about 8-[B]9[/B] hours to get gta whilest they would still only have to work about 6 and a half at minimum wage
and an hour makes a huge difference if you compare work weeks which lets say each is about 40 hours a week they are making almost an entire work-day's worth more of money than us[/QUOTE]
When released it was $79 AUD which is 5 hours work on minimum wage.
[editline]28th July 2014[/editline]
oh i am late to the party
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;45512254]I make $16 working IT, $15 for flipping burgers is insane. At least up here minimum is $11, though.[/QUOTE]
Same here, what the fuck are they hoping for?
Hell, I worked hard to get where I'm at, and they would have a higher salary? For making burgers at McDonald's?
Fuck no
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