DEVELOPING: Shooting reported at Connecticut elementary school; 27 killed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Aman VII;38829678]"take guns away" HOW. ITT: calls for gun control but next to no thought out way to implement it[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38829436]Better public mental health care would most definitely have a positive effect and one of the mechanisms for it to have a positive effect would be for people with histories of mental illnesses to be prevented from owning firearms. For this to happen there needs to be more thorough background checks for those who try to purchase a firearm and more action by the police and the ATF to prevent private, unlicensed trading of firearms.[/QUOTE] [editline]14th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Paul McCartney;38829724][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre[/url][/QUOTE] "all the time"

[QUOTE=Aman VII;38829726]Damn I want me a grenade[/QUOTE] Fun fact. In America, you can own 50 pounds of black powder. Go down to home depot, find something metal and in a cylinder shape, get some rope or something as a fuse, and a way to seal it off. You just made a grenade in 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38829710][url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/manchester-police-shootings-death-for-sale-1333566[/url] 5£ a bullet, 100£ a gun, 200£ a grenade. Seems like Britain still has a fairly prevalent black market, and then there's it's abysmal track record with knife crime.[/QUOTE] Stuff like this just pisses me off. Why do so many people push for banning/allowing ALL guns. Why do we need to go to extremes on either end? What's wrong with a sane, balanced, goverment regulated market?

Good job directly causing the death of children, gun law opponents!

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38829738][editline]14th December 2012[/editline] "all the time"[/QUOTE] Okay. I don't even necessarily think those are bad options but [I]"action by the police and the ATF to prevent private, unlicensed trading of firearms."[/I] All firearms are unlicensed, there is no license, so how exactly does that portion hold up?

[QUOTE=MTMod;38829712]Gun control... really guys? I plan on carrying the moment I turn 21 and go through the CPL process. Maybe one day I'll have the opportunity to prevent some sick fuck from pulling shit like this.[/QUOTE] Seriously, [B]go to mass debate if you want to debate over gun control[/B]. Oh and also, fuck off, not you specifically, but everyone still debating over gun control laws. Seriously, you're criticizing the media for interviewing kids, which is their job kinda, when none of you have even a slight edge on moral superiority, trust me.

Can anyone tell me why there has been a rise in shootings like this lately?

I wonder how different this may have ended up if teachers and/or faculty were trained in self defense and allowed to carry a firearm. I know that guy had a vest on but getting shot at from a classroom length away with that kicks you back. My roommate got a gun this week, I think I'm going to go file for a license so I can have one too. All this junk is crazy.

I think the best way for gun control is simple: offer a reward for turning in guns.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;38829700]But they do, and regardless how do you take away their guns to begin with?[/QUOTE] No, they don't. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate]The homicide rates in China, Japan, India, and South Korea are lower than they are in the U.S.[/url] You can't say "they'll just switch to knives like in Asia" when, statistically, the general homicide rate in those countries is much lower than in the US.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;38829767]Seriously, you're criticizing the media for interviewing kids,[/QUOTE] While yes, interviews are their job, it's insult to injury as they might not have known what just happened and/or are shaken by the events. The people they SHOULD be interviewing is law enforcement officials.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;38829678]"take guns away" HOW. ITT: calls for gun control but next to no thought out way to implement it[/QUOTE] I like how you answer for him and expect that as being some sort of smoking gun argument. For the record many solutions have been proposed in this thread.

[QUOTE=Marlamin;38829641]goddamnit fuck off media[/QUOTE] I hate how people say the media doesn't have anything to do with these massive shootings, even though they are pretty much half the cause. Psycho wants attention, goes on massive shooting, becomes an infamous antihero because the media has no fucking morals at all.

[QUOTE=MTMod;38829712]Gun control... really guys? I plan on carrying the moment I turn 21 and go through the CPL process. Maybe one day I'll have the opportunity to prevent some sick fuck from pulling shit like this.[/QUOTE] Please don't be one of those types who patrols the neighborhood waiting for an excuse to shoot someone

I hope the fucker who did this burns in hell and that the 2nd shooter they arrested gets the shit beaten out of him in prison.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;38829678]"take guns away" HOW. ITT: calls for gun control but next to no thought out way to implement it[/QUOTE] -useless solution nevermind-

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38829780]No, they don't. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate]The homicide rates in China, Japan, India, and South Korea are lower than they are in the U.S.[/url] You can't say "they'll just switch to knives like in Asia" when, statistically, the general homicide rate in those countries is much lower than in the US.[/QUOTE] But that isn't even directly correlated to gun control. The culture as a whole is drastically different. Just comparing gun laws by country and homicide rates by country doesn't = guns are the problem is a lot deeper issue than that

[QUOTE=zombays;38829777]I think the best way for gun control is simple: offer a reward for turning in guns.[/QUOTE] I think the best way for gun control is to use laws to control guns as opposed to weird "not-actually-gun-control" workarounds.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38829710][url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/manchester-police-shootings-death-for-sale-1333566[/url] 5£ a bullet, 100£ a gun, 200£ a grenade. Seems like Britain still has a fairly prevalent black market, and then there's it's abysmal track record with knife crime.[/QUOTE] I hate to break to you but the Mirror is not a credible newspaper. It's on par with The Sun. You can't 'seem' anything from it. Take a look from another 'headline' today [url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tartan-collection-health-scare-over-1489447[/url]

[QUOTE=Ybbats;38829767]Seriously, [B]go to mass debate if you want to debate over gun control[/B]. Oh and also, fuck off, not you specifically, but everyone still debating over gun control laws. Seriously, you're criticizing the media for interviewing kids, which is their job kinda, when none of you have even a slight edge on moral superiority, trust me.[/QUOTE] Again I will ask: Why is gun control the only taboo topic in SH? Why is it the only one that gets multiple cries to be pushed into Mass Debate? Ad hoc debates over a variety of subjects happens in other news threads, why is gun control not allowed? Is it really moral indignation, or do you just want to sweep the conversation to a vastly less used section of the forums?

[QUOTE=Aman VII;38829678]"take guns away" HOW. ITT: calls for gun control but next to no thought out way to implement it[/QUOTE] Extraordinarily simple. Offer rewards for turning in guns and bullets.

[QUOTE=Drakehawke;38829797] Assuming you need a permit to legally own a gun in America, surely the government will have contact details for everyone who does own a gun, send out letters periodically during the amnesty period until the gun has been logged as handed in.[/QUOTE] Ok well your plan fell apart cause having to get a permit doesn't jive with the 2nd amendment and no states have that. Well [I]very [/I]few states I should say.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;38829666]The US is too far into gun culture for gun control to work at this point. Guns are too widespread, gun control at this point in the road just acts to annoy and harass legal law abiding citizens and do practically nothing to criminals.[/QUOTE] A Clinton-type gun ban would kill a lot of firms in the US (without government contracts) that are very American, and do all manufacturing and R&D domestically. The effects (culturally and economically) would be bad either way. Also, I do realize how much of a cop-out argument "they'll get guns even if you ban them" is, but let's think about Columbine. The Clinton gun ban should have stopped Intratec Tec-9's from being produced, but the shooters in Columbine still got ahold of them. There are too many guns in America, imo, to prevent someone from buying one.

[QUOTE=The golden;38829770]Drawing your gun on a shooter who is armed to the fucking teeth and usually armored and has nothing left to live for isn't the smartest idea. Neither is doing so in (in the case of these shootings) a populated or public place in chaos. You're just going to get more people shot. There are people professionally trained to handle such situations. Some cowboy with a pistol under his coat is not one of them.[/QUOTE] If a guy walks in all geared up for combat I doubt the best thing to do is not act if you have a gun. This isn't call of duty when you get shot you just grunt a little and move on because of your vest. If a guy gets shot even from a distance it will completely throw them off. Load off 12 shots you might hit an unprotected area and subdue him. Seriously, do you think a gunman walks into a mall or some shit and decides "THIS IS LAST RESORT, NOW GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY OR REASON WITH ME" This isn't CSI or Numbers or some shit. People are insane and there are no reasoning with them. Your best bet is to just shoot to kill.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;38829802]But that isn't even directly correlated to gun control. The culture as a whole is drastically different. Just comparing gun laws by country and homicide rates by country doesn't = guns are the problem is a lot deeper issue than that[/QUOTE] Except you just fucking said that "they'll just use Knives instead like in Asia" which is [b]NOT STATISTICALLY SUPPORTED[/b] Culture has a whole lot to do with it but that doesn't change the fact that your statement was unsupported (read: wrong).

[QUOTE=Aman VII;38829814]Ok well your plan fell apart cause having to get a permit doesn't jive with the 2nd amendment and no states have that. Well [I]very [/I]few states I should say.[/QUOTE] That's surprising, never knew that. (not american)

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38829780]No, they don't. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate]The homicide rates in China, Japan, India, and South Korea are lower than they are in the U.S.[/url] You can't say "they'll just switch to knives like in Asia" when, statistically, the general homicide rate in those countries is much lower than in the US.[/QUOTE] Correlation =/= causation

[QUOTE=zombays;38829777]I think the best way for gun control is simple: offer a reward for turning in guns.[/QUOTE] They presently operate a system like this called 'gun programs' but it's very expensive and some historical firearms get destroyed or almost destroyed.

What the fuck, at an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? What kind of sick fuck...? This is really sad.

[QUOTE=faze;38829423]Obviously. You need lots of ID to even get in the doors nowadays.[/QUOTE] You can just walk in the front door of the schools in my town. The front office is right there, and they can see you. Side doors are locked until after school activities start. I don't know if that's the norm though.