DEVELOPING: Shooting reported at Connecticut elementary school; 27 killed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38831337]Gun control =/= banning guns. Gun control covers a wide variety of potential solutions. It's people who are so vehemently opposed to any discussion on the fact that America experiences a totally unacceptable amount of spree-shootings that should really take a look in the mirror.[/QUOTE] And the thing is even when you add up all the people who die in spree shootings, you still get a number that is a mere anecdote on US murder rates, these just make the news because a lot of people die at once. It's like a pane crash, statistically they're the safest form of travel, but people are scared of flying because a plane crash kills ~200 people at once, meanwhile car crashes kill tens of thousands each year. Spree shootings kill less than 500 people in the US each year, versus the tens of thousands of other people who die in that nation each year it's not a statistically relevant number, especially not to base legislation on, and that's the problem, things like this get emotion going, and lead to emotionally based, and bad, laws. To talk about gun control in the context of shootings like this, no amount of control will stop this, the Cumbria shootings in England in 2010 with a double-barrelled shotgun I feel are proof that short of banning any and all guns, no amount of restrictive gun control will actually stop someone from committing a mass shooting. To address gun crime and gun control in the US, focusing on spree shootings will just mean restrictive laws on law-abiding citizens that will effectively do nothing to stop these. If gun control in the US want to have a real effect, these shootings are not what needs to be addressed, it's gang violence that causes most gun-related deaths in the US, and that's where control should focus, getting rid of gangs and their guns. When laws get based around an emotional event like this, they lead to ineffective and restrictive nonsense, such as banning a gun because of its looks, or because of an accessory it has/can accept. Laws around shootings like this lead to politicians who want to ban "shoulder things that go up" making legislation about something they know nothing about, and people who know nothing about them supporting it. Mass shootings are a terrible justification for gun control, because they happen so infrequently and, compared to gang-related violence, kill far fewer people each year. If there is going to be a discussion about gun control, mass shootings should be an anecdote, the core issue is and should be gangs. If people want to address mass shootings, they're often a mental health issue, not a gun issue. Is there something that could be done to prevent mentally ill people from getting guns? Yes, and that's about as far as talks into preventing these should go in regards to gun control, is devising a way to prevent the mentally ill from getting firearms, nothing else would actually have an effect on stopping these shootings, and they aren't even the core of America's problems with violent crime. It's not an availability of guns that causes these, mental illness is responsible for many of the most notable mass shootings in Canada (1989, 1992, 2006), the UK (1987, 1997, 2010), and Australia (1991, 1992, 1997), as well as the many in the US (Yes, there are many more, too numerous to list, at least 3 this year though). These are more of a mental health issue than a gun control issue, and restrictive gun control will not stop these kinds of shootings.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;38831657]Alabama[/QUOTE] That's not a country.

[QUOTE=npypntz;38831673][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Vduovd6ew[/media][/QUOTE] I can't wait for when you actually become mature, and cringe everytime you remember how much of a fucking retard you were at this moment.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;38831639]What country do you live in where elementary school has 10-15 year olds?[/QUOTE] Language barrier. Can't speak. Retarded.

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;38831734][IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/64773000/jpg/_64773308_64773307.jpg[/IMG] Are they doing the conga?[/QUOTE] Set yourself on fire. Thanks.

[QUOTE=npypntz;38831673][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Vduovd6ew[/media][/QUOTE] Wrong place, very very wrong time. Not cool dude.

[IMG]http://puu.sh/1AUuP[/IMG] :v:

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;38831734][IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/64773000/jpg/_64773308_64773307.jpg[/IMG] Are they doing the conga?[/QUOTE] Too soon...

Honestly if you have to put armed guards in schools there is something wrong with society on a much much deeper level

[QUOTE]If the number of fatalities holds up, the Newtown shooting would be the second-deadliest school shooting in U.S. history, behind only the 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech that left 32 people dead. The 1999 Columbine High shooting in Littleton, Colorado, is the deadliest at a U.S. elementary, junior or high school. In that incident, two students shot 13 people to death before killing themselves.[/QUOTE] -CNN This is exactly what's wrong with the media's coverage of these tragedies in the US. Why are you making it sound like there's an ongoing competition to get the highest killstreak? In fact, why would these stadistics be relevant? They're all horrible tragedies regardless.

[QUOTE=iusehax;38831757][IMG]http://puu.sh/1AUuP[/IMG] :v:[/QUOTE] People are retarded. 'Nuff said.

[QUOTE=SatansSin;38831736]I guess he could sue them...[/QUOTE] Wow, people are fucking retarded holy shit. The killer was reported DEAD.

[QUOTE=Metalcastr;38831696]All schools should have armed security guards. EDIT: To those that disagree, what do you think should be done to protect our kids then? One guy had a gun and no one could do anything.[/QUOTE] We should protect people by doing everything in our power to prevent the mentally unstable from acquiring firearms; which is a real thing that can actually be done.

The suspect is now Adam Lanza, 20.

[QUOTE=smurfy;38831765]Honestly if you have to put armed guards in schools there is something wrong with society on a much much deeper level[/QUOTE] I agree, and there should be ways to prevent these events by catching mental disorders before they inflict damage on others. But I don't see society doing this anytime soon because it requires effort.

[QUOTE=SatansSin;38831736]I guess he could sue them...[/QUOTE] And he absolutely should. As demonstrated in the last couple of pages, even just with the Mass Effect incident, people are phenomenally stupid and this guy will likely have to bear this shame and these threads for YEARS over something he didn't even do. Honestly, if he sued every single news agency that reported erroneously, I would back him up in a heartbeat.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38831793]We should protect people by doing everything in our power to prevent the mentally unstable from acquiring firearms; which is a real thing that can actually be done.[/QUOTE] How? mental illnesses aren't something you can just easily test for

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;38831795]The suspect is now Adam Lanza, 20.[/QUOTE] Good job jumping the gun media.

[QUOTE=npypntz;38831673][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Vduovd6ew[/media][/QUOTE] Words can not describe how horrifically unfunny this is.

Apparently the shooter may have warned/alerted people on 4Chan. [img]http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/563785_10152309275745123_1475006249_n.jpg[/img] Sorry if late.

[QUOTE=barttool;38831767]-CNN This is exactly what's wrong with the media's coverage of these tragedies in the US. Why are you making it sound like there's an ongoing competition to get the highest killstreak? In fact, why would these stadistics be relevant? They're all horrible tragedies regardless.[/QUOTE] people will compare regardless (especially the people who plan these things), but it shouldn't be in the damn media.

[quote]2116: Ryan Lanza, 24, is being questioned by police, the AP reports. 2114: The Associated Press quotes unnamed law enforcement officials as saying the suspect is actually 20-year-old Adam Lanza, and not his older brother Ryan as has been reported.[/quote] [editline]14th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Inspector Jones;38831819]Apparently the shooter may have warned/alerted people on 4Chan. [img]http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/563785_10152309275745123_1475006249_n.jpg[/img] Sorry if late.[/QUOTE] Most likely photoshopped

[QUOTE=Metalcastr;38831696]All schools should have armed security guards. EDIT: To those that disagree, what do you think should be done to protect our kids then? One guy had a gun and no one could do anything.[/QUOTE] First of all, what's an armed security guard going to do? Start a shootout? I hardly doubt that's an ideal solution. And besides, just adding guns to everything isn't the solution for security. What if the gun ends up on the kids' hands? Hell, I'd feel more stressed knowing that someone surrounded by kids is carrying a gun.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is2x7QTZ8AI[/media] wow

[QUOTE=smurfy;38831765]Honestly if you have to put armed guards in schools there is something wrong with society on a much much deeper level[/QUOTE] Absolutely. It's like banning weapons in general: It doesn't get to the core of the problem. Humans will stay humans and if they don't have guns or other weapons they will simple improvise or use everyday tools and vehicles in order to kill someone. Once you're at the point of thinking about a school shooting you don't really give much of a fuck anymore - and I think it wouldn't stop anyone from killing even armed guards.

I live less than 10 minutes away from this school. It's a really strange thing; experiencing this much commotion in such a small and rural area such as our own. I was talking to my friend today; his aunt is a teacher at the school, and I was asking if he was alright. He seemed okay, he was trying to laugh and joke and make light of the situation, but halfway through it his eyes just got red and he teared up like crazy. Hits me hard in my feelings yo. It's so sad knowing that most of the victims were kindergartners too. How could [I]anyone[/I] have it in them to shoot at defenseless kids?

[QUOTE=Drakehawke;38831809]How? mental illnesses aren't something you can just easily test for[/QUOTE] Yes they are?

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;38831832] And besides, just adding guns to everything isn't the solution for security. What if the gun ends up on the kids' hands? Hell, I'd feel more stressed knowing that someone surrounded by kids is carrying a gun.[/QUOTE] happens in american schools and officers are trained in weapon retention, but still, it makes me nervous too

I... I don't know. I really don't know. There's so much I want to say, yet there is also so little. Aurora was bad, Oregon was bad, but this... This is the worst. The absolute worst. Disgusting. I am ashamed to be of the same race as someone who could commit such an atrocity. I don't give a crap about gun control or mental health or whatever caused this atrocity. This is a sad day for all Americans, even all humans. That despicable shooter was a sad excuse for a human being. If some group of alien life forms used him to gauge the general worth of the human race, they would unanimously decide to blow us out of existence. I feel deeply sorry for the victims, their families, their friends, everybody who was even slightly effected by this crime. This didn't need to happen. There is no reason it should've. I'll be praying for the victims.

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;38831734][IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/64773000/jpg/_64773308_64773307.jpg[/IMG] Are they doing the conga?[/QUOTE] No, it's a evacuation excersize