DEVELOPING: Shooting reported at Connecticut elementary school; 27 killed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=EzioAuditore;38833151]I'll come back to this thread when you've all stopped using this massacre as a reason for an argument about gun laws. Fucking idiots, the lot of you.[/QUOTE] Okay pal, what should this thread be for then? what should be discussed here? Should we all just post once and say "what a tragedy" like it really is? No, this argument spawned because people have STRONG feelings because people DIED. It's a fucking tragedy, but if you think people should sit around and just be sad because that's all they can do, then why are you even on a forum

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38833109]Sociopathic gun owners can exist.[/QUOTE] You have this tendency to put "sociopathic" and "gun owners" together [B]all the fucking time[/B]. Sounds like you're trying to piss us off on purpose and then say "But I didn't actually say that, semantics semantics".

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38833035]Uh, yeah, lets just be more idealistic about this shall we. You REALLY sound like an idealistic fool. I'm not acting like that at all. You know what I'm acting like? [b]Like holding the power of life and death in your hands when you're an inexperienced civillian in a combat situation is a ripe situation for shit to go wrong[/b] Can you take a fucking minute to think 1) You're assuming I think Cops are genuinely capable of dealing with these situations. They're not, they're only better at it because of [b]EXPERIENCE[/b]. An incredibly important aspect of this whole thing. 2) Shoot a fucking target all day long and you're STILL not in a [b]COMBAT SITUATION[/b] 3) We can't know what ammo a civilian will be using on the day, so my bad in the initial argument, but it could fucking happen. Just fucking TRY to grasp that a range and a combat situation are light years apart[/QUOTE] And likewise TRY to grasp that a person isn't going to be trying to cause damage when they're attempting to stop a goddamn shooting. There are several situations where an "inexperienced civilian" has ended a a shooting or defended themselves, I recall one of a principal running out to his car to get a handgun to stop a school shooter who was going to go shoot up a second school, and there was a rather interesting video I recall of a Californian jewellery shop owner shop was robbed 3 times who had to grab his gun and shoot the people with customers present in the store. And no cop is going to have practical, hands-on experience with a mass shooting until it happens, they gain experience through training, something anyone can do. A cop most often only shoots his gun at the range as well, so in the same respect a cop hasn't experienced a "combat situation" most of the time either, his training and experience comes from manuals, lectures, and range time. I will concede that yes, something can go wrong in a case of a citizen defending against a mass shooting, but I still assert that many of the concerns people have are exacerbated. As I've said, people act like the person is going to fire blindly or that there'll be a shootout between permit holders, which I say is unlikely to the point of never going to happen. Can a person get accidentally shot by the permit holder, yes, but that scenario is also unlikely, though I will admit more likely than the "shootout" scenarios.

Why did this happen WHY .?!

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38833172]Okay pal, what should this thread be for then? what should be discussed here? Should we all just post once and say "what a tragedy" like it really is? No, this argument spawned because people have STRONG feelings because people DIED. It's a fucking tragedy, but if you think people should sit around and just be sad because that's all they can do, then why are you even on a forum[/QUOTE] no, you should fuck off to the debate section of the forum. what are you, some kind of idiot? that's what it's there for. some of us want to read the thread to get information that isn't included in the OP and that some news outlets are shaky on. i'm so tired of seeing these stupid fucking debates in these threads because it's always just constant shit-flinging like a bunch of brats.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38833172]Okay pal, what should this thread be for then? what should be discussed here? Should we all just post once and say "what a tragedy" like it really is? No, this argument spawned because people have STRONG feelings because people DIED. It's a fucking tragedy, but if you think people should sit around and just be sad because that's all they can do, then why are you even on a forum[/QUOTE] This thread should be to discuss the events of the massacre, not to create a massive argument for whether to use gun laws or not. Every time we have a massacre thread, it turns from the actual topic of the thread to just reasons why states should not or should have gun laws. It's getting really old and all of you arguing about them isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

[QUOTE=EzioAuditore;38833151]I'll come back to this thread when you've all stopped using this massacre as a reason for an argument about gun laws. Fucking idiots, the lot of you.[/QUOTE] They're discussing the underlying issues that enabled this tragedy to take place and changes to legislation that could possibly prevent incidents like this from happening again, that's a perfectly appropriate discussion to have in this thread. Although it has got a bit out of hand in the last two pages

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38833133]I find it just so bizarre someone feels like that sincerely it's like you have to be wearing the worst kind of blinders[/QUOTE] Ad Hominem attacks, great, real good way to argue.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38833185]And likewise TRY to grasp that a person isn't going to be trying to cause damage when they're attempting to stop a goddamn shooting. There are several situations where an "inexperienced civilian" has ended a a shooting or defended themselves, I recall one of a principal running out to his car to get a handgun to stop a school shooter who was going to go shoot up a second school, and there was a rather interesting video I recall of a Californian jewellery shop owner shop was robbed 3 times who had to grab his gun and shoot the people with customers present in the store. And no cop is going to have practical, hands-on experience with a mass shooting until it happens, they gain experience through training, something anyone can do. A cop most often only shoots his gun at the range as well, so in the same respect a cop hasn't experienced a "combat situation" most of the time either, his training and experience comes from manuals, lectures, and range time. I[B] will concede that yes, something can go wrong in a case of a citizen defending against a mass shooting, but I still assert that many of the concerns people have are exacerbated. As I've said, people act like the person is going to fire blindly or that there'll be a shootout between permit holders, which I say is unlikely to the point of never going to happen. Can a person get accidentally shot by the permit holder, yes, but that scenario is also unlikely, though I will admit more likely than the "shootout" scenarios.[/B][/QUOTE] Even after I SAY exactly how that's NOT what i'm thinking or feeling, you fucking ignore me and repeat yourself. good job. I see you've already won the argument in your own head. [QUOTE=DaCommie1;38833207]Ad Hominem attacks, great, real good way to argue.[/QUOTE] well it's the only thing you seem to actually read

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;38833184]You have this tendency to put "sociopathic" and "gun owners" together [B]all the fucking time[/B]. Sounds like you're trying to piss us off on purpose and then say "But I didn't actually say that, semantics semantics".[/QUOTE] That's because the original post I was quoting was calling gun owners sociopaths. Go criticise that guy for fucks sake. I don't think all gun owners are sociopaths (some are psychopathic too, or pedophiles, or murderers, or traitors, or rapists, and some are well balanced).

[QUOTE=Drakehawke;38833202]They're discussing the underlying issues that enabled this tragedy to take place and changes to legislation that could possibly prevent incidents like this from happening again, that's a perfectly appropriate discussion to have in this thread. Although it has got a bit out of hand in the last two pages[/QUOTE] It's not a discussion, it's babies throwing the shit out of their prams because they aren't getting what they want. If they want to debate about it, go to the Mass Debate forum. I didn't come into this thread to read your opinions about shit I don't care about. I came here to read and keep myself updated on the events of the massacre.

I keep looking at the comments of the Mass Effect FB page and where I should be laughing, I feel unkempt rage at the fact that I live on the same planet as some of these white knight soccer moms. Fucking hell it's like a "You rage you lose thread" in there.

[QUOTE=EzioAuditore;38833198]This thread should be to discuss the events of the massacre, not to create a massive argument for whether to use gun laws or not. Every time we have a massacre thread, it turns from the actual topic of the thread to just reasons why states should not or should have gun laws. It's getting really old and all of you arguing about them isn't going to get anyone anywhere.[/QUOTE] and what events are we not aware of that haven't been discussed. As info becomes available it'll be discussed.

boy i sure wanted to wake up to news like this today

[QUOTE=The golden;38833192]If a guy walks into a school armed to the teeth with guns and nothing left to lose do you really think a metal detector is going to stop him? They'll just walk right past them and shoot anyone who gets in the way.[/QUOTE] Metal detectors and armed guards, people who operate the metal detectors so they can hopefully sound an alarm in time. I know some schools already have police officers on site in case of anything, but this is an extra precaution. I mean in my opinion it's much better than having nothing because this is an example of how fucking easy it is to just walk into any school and shoot people.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38833223]and what events are we not aware of that haven't been discussed. As info becomes available it'll be discussed.[/QUOTE] So what, while we wait lets just have a massive debate about gun laws? No, fuck off. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("It's not your place to tell members what they may discuss in this thread" - verynicelady))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38833223]and what events are we not aware of that haven't been discussed. As info becomes available it'll be discussed.[/QUOTE] it has been, and it countinues to come in but it gets buried underneath a mountain of bullshit opinions that people interested in the story [b]do not give a fuck about.[/b] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Take a break and calm down" - verynicelady))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Sift;38833165]Ratings. They're seriously milking it for views, it's fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] I cannot even describe the rage I am feeling about the fucking media right now.

[QUOTE=EzioAuditore;38833245]So what, while we wait lets just have a massive debate about gun laws? No, fuck off.[/QUOTE] Why not?

I'd just like to point out that for 2010, only 8,775 people were killed by firearms. That's 0.002925% of the US population in one year. Statistically speaking, mass murder is only a fraction of the 8,775 people, and even then, gun homicide is not a very serious issue. See for yourself. [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state[/url] It's tragic when stuff like this happens. It is. But it's not a very significant issue. You are much more likely to be robbed than you are shot: [url]http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime/robberymain[/url]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38833213]Go criticise that guy for fucks sake. I don't think all gun owners are sociopaths (some are psychopathic too, or pedophiles, or murderers, or traitors, or rapists, and some are well balanced).[/QUOTE] The problem stems from your insane bias against guns, as it leaks out into every single one of your posts, such as this one Why can't you just say "Some are psychopaths and some are well balanced" instead of dragging the list on

[QUOTE=Drakehawke;38833250]Why not?[/QUOTE] Because this isn't the Mass Debate forum. Go there if you want to make a big thing of it.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;38833254]You are much more likely to be robbed[/QUOTE] And with a gun!

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38833266]And with a gun![/QUOTE] Wrong again! [QUOTE]Firearms were used in 41.4 percent of the robberies for which the UCR Program received additional information in 2010. In a nearly equal percentage of robberies (42.0 percent), strong-arm tactics were used, followed by knives and cutting instruments used in 7.9 percent of robberies, and other dangerous weapons used in 8.8 percent of robberies in 2010. (Based on Table 19.) [/QUOTE] In fact, you're 0.6% more likely to be robbed by an unarmed man!

[QUOTE=EzioAuditore;38833265]Because this isn't the Mass Debate forum. Go there if you want to make a big thing of it.[/QUOTE] It's relevant and perfectly logical here, this happens every single time there's an incident like this and the mods have never had a problem with it before.

[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;38833263]The problem stems from your insane bias against guns, as it leaks out into every single one of your posts, such as this one Why can't you just say "Some are psychopaths and some are well balanced" instead of dragging the list on[/QUOTE] I don't have a bias against guns, it's just I am vehemently opposed to a mass proliferation of guns as the supposed cure-all for crime. If gun ownership helped reduce crime significantly, then every country in the world would have lax gun laws.

[QUOTE=Mr, Jukebox;38833139]Just going to say that there's never going to be a way to prevent things such as this incident from happening. There will always be crazy people in this world and we'll never be able to actually stop these things from occurring by banning or allowing more guns. Like someone said earlier in this thread, there was also a mass stabbing in China. That guy was mentally ill, and he didn't even need a gun to cause such massive harm. If someone is truly sick in the head, they will use whatever they can acquire to cause as much damage as possible. If you ban guns, then they'll just find some other way to kill because that's what they want to do. They could go somewhere and just buy a gun off the streets, or maybe go to a nearby store and buy a baseball bat, or make their own gun from scratch. What I'm trying to say is that you can't argue about regulations with weapons because no matter what, stuff like this is going to happen. It's just a part of life, and you really just can't do anything to stop people from doing things like this since you can't tell who is crazy or not, or what people around you are thinking. A man could be right next to you about to rob you when you're outside. He could have anything from a gun to a knife to just plain fighting skills. You don't know what the person is capable of at all, and it will almost always be unexpected when something bad happens like this because you don't know their intentions. Don't know if this makes sense. I just typed this very quickly, but I hope someone understands my point... I'm aware that I've probably restated a few things and will probably be showered in boxes, but whatever.[/QUOTE] There will always be crazy people yeah, but it's worth noting that mass shootings seem to happen in the US more often than anywhere else. Guns are only a small part of the problem.

Anyone see this bullshit? [img]http://i.imgur.com/NEh05.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=BenJammin';38833235]Metal detectors and armed guards, people who operate the metal detectors so they can hopefully sound an alarm in time. I know some schools already have police officers on site in case of anything, but this is an extra precaution. I mean in my opinion it's much better than having nothing because this is an example of how fucking easy it is to just walk into any school and shoot people.[/QUOTE] I went to a middle school that had that; we had to wear laced/see-through backpacks and walk through metal detectors every day. It's a pretty horrifying experience if they mistakenly detect anything on you. Not to mention the fact that it's just pretty frightening having to go through big armed guards when you're a little kid. [editline]wtf[/editline] [QUOTE=Bledrix;38833304]Anyone see this bullshit? [img]http://i.imgur.com/NEh05.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] There goes my faith in humanity.

[QUOTE=Drakehawke;38833284]It's relevant and perfectly logical here, this happens every single time there's an incident like this and the mods have never had a problem with it before.[/QUOTE] It's not logical, its just a massive shitfest that derails the thread and goes off the topic of the actual purpose of the thread. This isn't the "Sensationalist headlines and backward debates that don't go anywhere" section.