DEVELOPING: Shooting reported at Connecticut elementary school; 27 killed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38829021]Do you apply this logic to all SH threads or just ones about firearms?[/QUOTE] Well I'd love for all points of contention to move to a Mass Debate thread for the sole reason it gets rid of ratings and similarly, giving your opinion without any sort of source to back your point up. Gun control is simply the staple debate topic that somehow always recurs and turns to mudflinging in no time. [editline]fafd[/editline] See mudflinging: [QUOTE=Kopimi;38829042]Somebody brings up gun control and apparently protocol a racist half time contributor to the section is an authority on whether or not debates are allowed here[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38828987]I'm on mobile so I can't post the clip I'm thinking of but recently Jon Stewart brought up a great point: it's never time to talk about gun control. Not at super bowl half time after a football player murders his family and commits suicide, not a few days after, not after a mall is shot up by a crazed gunman and certainly not after, within days of a mall shooting in America, an American elementary school is shot up. When the fuck ARE we allowed to talk about it?[/QUOTE] The football player who murdered his family and committed suicide was mentally ill. The 'crazed gunman' who shot up a mall was mentally ill. Shootings like these are a result of America's failing mental health care system. If it wasn't guns, it'd be something else.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38828931]What's funny is that the first people to dance on graves to push ideas are gun nut conservatives. Something like this happens, you always have an entire wave of morons going on about how if the victim had a gun this would never have happened.[/QUOTE] I don't think even gun nut conservatives think guns should be in schools then again I might be overstating their intelligence.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;38829056]The football player who murdered his family and committed suicide was mentally ill. The 'crazed gunman' who shot up a mall was mentally ill. Shootings like these are a result of America's failing mental health care system.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Guns aren't the problem at all.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;38829056]The football player who murdered his family and committed suicide was mentally ill. The 'crazed gunman' who shot up a mall was mentally ill. Shootings like these are a result of America's failing mental health care system.[/QUOTE] The mentally ill would be much less efficient at mass murder without literal killing machines really available and easily accessible

God fucking dammit I woke up today hoping it would be a nice day. Blue skies, sun shining through my window, awesome breakfast, feeling my best since forever, then this shit happens. I'm really depressed right now.

A police briefing is supposed to happen any moment now.

This was on Twitter... [quote]"9 y/o girl says that "police with big guns" led her classmates out of the building. Asked them to cover their eyes."[/quote] Everything about that sentence is fucked up.

I can not even imagine what kind of monster does that to small children. Some places are reporting only a few fatalities while others are reporting as high as 27. I really hope this is misinformation...

[QUOTE=faze;38829060]Guns aren't the problem at all.[/QUOTE] That does kinda fly in the face of all research ever done on spree-murders. Even the FBI said that gun obsession is a common theme in most of these mass-murders.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;38829055]Well I'd love for all points of contention to move to a Mass Debate thread for the sole reason it gets rid of ratings and similarly, giving your opinion without any sort of source to back your point up. Gun control is simply the staple debate topic that somehow always recurs and turns to mudflinging in no time. [editline]fafd[/editline] See mudflinging:[/QUOTE] It's not mudslinging I just don't think actual racists are in a position to speak on the morality of gun control debates

This is sounding worse and worse... Can't really be sure how bad until the number of casualties is revealed though.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38829064]The mentally ill would be much less efficient at mass murder without literal killing machines really available and easily accessible[/QUOTE] Not to feed into the bullshit that is being perpetrated in this thread but you do realise that it isn't really all that easy to buy a gun? Even in the most lax of states require a background check through (in my case) the State Police?

[img]http://i.imgur.com/c4jJ9.png[/img] Fucking...

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38829077]It's not mudslinging[/QUOTE] [quote=Kopimi]I just don't think actual racists[/quote] [QUOTE=Kopimi;38829077]mudslinging[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=faze;38829071]This was on Twitter... Everything about that sentence is fucked up.[/QUOTE] From the sound of that, it appears the police might've killed the gunman.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38829077]It's not mudslinging I just don't think actual racists are in a position to speak on the morality of gun control debates[/QUOTE] Not only are you fucking retarded for saying I'm not allowed to have an opinion on gun control debates because I'm "racist," I just have an opinion that there are more suitable places to discuss this topic. Why can't this thread just be about how terrible of an atrocity this is?

[QUOTE=imarawrus;38829088]Not to feed into the bullshit that is being perpetrated in this thread but you do realise that it isn't really all that easy to buy a gun? Even in the most lax of states require a background check through (in my case) the State Police?[/QUOTE] In Arizona I can buy a gun at the show without showing any ID and its entirely legal. I've done it myself

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38829064]The mentally ill would be much less efficient at mass murder without literal killing machines really available and easily accessible[/QUOTE] So you want to go after the effect of a far larger problem just to slightly reduce the body count? Not to mention your premise that guns will make killing less efficient is flawed. Some of the largest losses of life in this country didn't involve guns at all. The 9/11 hijackers didn't have guns. Timothy McVey didn't have a gun. As I said, if it isn't guns, it'll be something else.

How can you say guns arn't at least part of the problem? Whilst there are other offensive weapons (such as knives) in my personal opinon, if you are going to go on a killing spree, it's so much easier with a gun than with a knife. Stabbing 20 people HAS to be harder than pointing a reasonably light object at 20 people and someone and pulling a trigger.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38829075]That does kinda fly in the face of all research ever done on spree-murders. Even the FBI said that gun obsession is a common theme in most of these mass-murders.[/QUOTE] Really? Most of the time the gun seems more like a means to an end rather than them actually being interested in firearms or anything

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;38829103]From the sound of that, it appears the police might've killed the gunman.[/QUOTE] Or dead kids are all over, and from the sounds of the article that was probably the case. They didn't want to lead fucking kindergartners down a hall with dead people and dead classmates all over. Ever think of that?

I too am interested in the what exactly is the cooldown period between tragedies that involve firearms in America in which having a gun control debate isn't allowed. Because a similar incident happened literally days ago. Also why is it okay to talk about mental health within hours of a tragedy involving a possible mental health illness, but it's not okay to talk about firearms, which were definitely involved in both incidents? And why is it that gun control is the only topic that known gun supporters want to push into mass debate?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38829108]In Arizona I can buy a gun at the show without showing any ID and its entirely legal. I've done it myself[/QUOTE] Really now, without any ID? Doesn't sound plausible man. That's gross negligence on part of the seller.

[QUOTE=faze;38829117]Or dead kids are all over, and from the sounds of the article that was probably the case. They didn't want to lead fucking kindergartners down a hall with dead people and dead classmates all over. Ever think of that?[/QUOTE] Either way it's pretty fucked up considering it implies they had to lead small children past corpses.

The news networks are going to be receiving a big pay day as they turn the shooter a celebrity.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;38829030]Using what's happening as an excuse to debate gun control is sick. There are kids dying.[/QUOTE] Please don't use faux moral indignation to try and stifle debate that is contrary to your interests

Fuck, that's my hometown! I was just about to head back for winter break...

[QUOTE=faze;38829117]Or dead kids are all over, and from the sounds of the article that was probably the case. They didn't want to lead fucking kindergartners down a hall with dead people and dead classmates all over. Ever think of that?[/QUOTE] Definitely another possibility too.

[QUOTE=imarawrus;38829127]Really now, without any ID? Doesn't sound plausible man. That's gross negligence on part of the seller.[/QUOTE] It's negligence on the part of the seller yeah but it does happen sometimes. Although keep in mind Connecticut's gun laws are a lot stricter than Arizona's