DEVELOPING: Shooting reported at Connecticut elementary school; 27 killed - Polidicks

Sorry if it offends anyone but this article just shows how i feel about all of this [url]http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everything-nation-reports,30743/[/url]

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38834094][url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html[/url] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576406/28-gun-crimes-committed-in-UK-every-day.html[/url] [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6960431.stm[/url] Yes, you have had shootings with a semi-automatic handguns since the ban.[/QUOTE] Not mass shootings however.

I pulled this from Joe Rogan, War on Terror per capita: ~ $4 mil per person (1.283 tril / 313 mil) Gun deaths: Chicago alone, over 4,000 people age 21 or younger (over last 4 years) Mental Health budget per capita: $90-270 dollars per person (cut by 1.6 Billion)

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38833944]depends generally giving a lot of people guns to protect against this sort of thing is a bad idea[/QUOTE] You DONT GIVE PEOPLE GUNS. They buy them. Learn how to capitalism man.

[QUOTE=Ridge;38833981]But this is honestly the most despicable event I've ever witnessed. I'm rather desensitized to violence, but this has left me cold and empty all afternoon.[/QUOTE] Me too. I did no work all day because of this. I didn't even really talk to anybody in the office today. I have felt sick since this morning. I was talking to the other DBA's on my team right when this shit was happening having a jolly old time since it was Friday, and I took off on Monday. These parents will never see their kids again. The presents they wrapped for them will never be opened by them. They will never see their kids smiling faces ever again.

[QUOTE=BldrGyMnGy;38834133]See what I'm getting at? Laws aren't going to stop people who have intent.[/QUOTE] They kind of do however. Part of the reason why laws are implemented is that they serve as a deterrent to crime. It is a fact that if something becomes illegal, it will be more difficult to do that act or possess that item. [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Paul McCartney;38834168]You DONT GIVE PEOPLE GUNS. They buy them. Learn how to capitalism man.[/QUOTE] Then stick tariffs on them.

[QUOTE=person11;38834134]So you are saying there were 9000 gun related homicides last year in the United States compared to France's 35 because of anything but gun related laws?[/QUOTE] Europeans generally have better mental health than Americans. Likely due to better ability to care for them. They also seem to have a more mature understanding of weapons, no doubt related centuries of warfare and it's effects on the populace.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38834190]They kind of do however. Part of the reason why laws are implemented is that they serve as a deterrent to crime. It is a fact that if something becomes illegal, it will be more difficult to do that act or possess that item. [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] Then stick tariffs on them.[/QUOTE] Drug laws sure don't deter people from doing drugs, or making or selling them.

This is my state, everyone is so sad, including me :(

FP gun control threads: making 0 progress since 2004

[QUOTE=person11;38834134]So you are saying there were 9000 gun related homicides last year in the United States compared to France's 35 because of anything but gun related laws?[/QUOTE] Yes, as a matter of fact I am. I do not deny the fact that many of the current gun laws, as well as many of the current laws in general, require improvement. But the improvement of gun laws should never equate to the decrement of guns themselves, if anything quite the opposite. I do agree with the fact that people who's mental stability, or morality, is deemed questionable, should not in any shape or form get close to such objects, but more responsible citizens on other hand should, because that further works to decrease the chances of those who those who are not supposed to have guns committing harm to others.

[QUOTE=Ridge;38834202]Europeans generally have better mental health than Americans. Likely due to better ability to care for them. They also seem to have a more mature understanding of weapons, no doubt related centuries of warfare and it's effects on the populace.[/QUOTE] Don't forget how the USA has about 310 million people, give or take a few million. European countries have about a tenth of that. They also have better education standards and generally aren't as strict when it comes to petty crime.

[QUOTE=genkaz92;38834076]Actually, it would be the exact opposite. If everyone carrying a gun knows that everyone else is doing the same, then a firm mutual sense of responsibility would be established. Respect an trust would actually be much higher, because the consequences of breaking that trust would also be much higher, and also because everyone would have a conscious and subconscious object of responsibility for them to carry around. You would feel safe, because everyone would have protection, including yourself. If a society with everyone having guns would be a warzone, then why is everyone currently with a gun not a murderer, with guns being owned by an extremely large amount of different demographics, especially considering that they would encounter much less resistance from others?[/QUOTE] It would be a society based on the mutual fear of being shot. How can you not see the immense problems with this???

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38834190]They kind of do however. Part of the reason why laws are implemented is that they serve as a deterrent to crime. It is a fact that if something becomes illegal, it will be more difficult to do that act or possess that item. [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] Then stick tariffs on them.[/QUOTE] There are already tariffs to buying guns. You have to pay 20 cents each time you want to shoot it, unless you get a .22

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38834190]They kind of do however. Part of the reason why laws are implemented is that they serve as a deterrent to crime. It is a fact that if something becomes illegal, it will be more difficult to do that act or possess that item. [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] Then stick tariffs on them.[/QUOTE] You mentioned criminologists earlier, and learning from them, most criminologists feel deterrence is completely ineffective at stopping crime, people will not be deterred from a crime due to the penalties they face if they commit the crime.

This is fucking horrible, I just hope everyone here on FP has a safe Christmas/Holiday.

And also, there's no way to deter spree shooters, aside from having metal detectors and guards stationed at every point. If guns are banned, the man will make explosives or get a knife. Ban knives, and you have farming tools, ban farming tools and you can't cook or grow food. Without food, people would starve. If people are starved and dying of famine, there will be mass robberies for food. There's no way out of this.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38834246]You mentioned criminologists earlier, and learning from them, most criminologists feel deterrence is completely ineffective at stopping crime, people will not be deterred from a crime due to the penalties they face if they commit the crime.[/QUOTE] I do agree that looking to solve the root problems is better than deterrence (the old deterrence idea being classical criminology which has been largely supplanted).

Shit, when I first heard about this, I was so worried. My cousins live in Connecticut. I found out they don't go to that school, so I'm relieved because of that. Still, this is a fucking travesty.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;38834241]It would be a society based on the mutual fear of being shot. How can you not see the immense problems with this???[/QUOTE] I fully understand what you are perceiving about this, but I disagree about the outcome. The majority of people are currently driving cars, yet you do not see too many people hiding in their apartments out of the paranoia that they will get run over. A lot of people already posses guns, as well as many other self protection methods, yet you do not see everyone in constant paranoia of being shot, stabbed, or blown up right now, especially considering that they are currently significantly more vulnerable. A lot of people posses arms and legs, yet you do not see everyone being afraid of having their neck broken or eyes gouged out, while technically anyone anywhere can do that at any moment. What is stopping everyone from killing everyone else right now? and what makes you think that it will suddenly discontinue, if not improve, if every stable citizen is carrying an object of protection?

I am sad to hear this, and I hope Obama will change the laws around there, which will require you to have a license. It makes me mad, that people that are sick, can get guns without any reason at all. I am with those families, and hope that they'll get through it.

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So sources are saying that he shot his mom at school, and they are also saying he shot her at home? Abc said "Nancy Lanza, mother of gunman Adam Lanza, was found dead in her Connecticut home. The 20-year-old man, shot her in the face, authorities told ABC News. Following the murder of his mother, Lanza, carrying at least two semi-automatic pistols and an automatic rifle, drove to Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., where his mother worked. There he killed 20 children and six adults. Lanza was found dead in the school with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. The rifle was found in his car, authorities said." I'm confused because they also said this "Federal law enforcement sources now say Connecticut school shooting gunman was Adam Lanza, 20, and not his brother Ryan Lanza, 24, as earlier reported. Adam was found dead in the school along with his mother, a kindergarten teacher there."

ABC has been consistently wrong about things all day. I wouldn't trust them very much.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;38834268]And also, there's no way to deter spree shooters, aside from having metal detectors and guards stationed at every point. If guns are banned, the man will make explosives or get a knife. Ban knives, and you have farming tools, ban farming tools and you can't cook or grow food. Without food, people would starve. If people are starved and dying of famine, there will be mass robberies for food. There's no way out of this.[/QUOTE] This is such a slippery slope that DARPA had to be contracted to create a 100% frictionless surface wrap.

I feel for the parents personally, having to arrive at school and not know if the 27 children shot dead were there's or not. I'm fucking pissed off at how this story is likely to become a political shitstorm and distract from the matter that 27 people died, and how this story is to dwarf everyone's attention on other matters that are just as worse. It's also disheartening to see News casters to change from a deep, emotionally sympathetic theme when talking on this to then an upbeat and energetic theme when talking about the next Cricket test or something.

[QUOTE=Ridge;38834440]ABC has been consistently wrong about things all day. I wouldn't trust them very much.[/QUOTE] this whole story is pretty much a huge media clusterfuck

And I would ofcourse like to say that this occurrence is deeply disturbing. Whatever twisted deed you are going to do, please, leave the children out of it.

[QUOTE=BigBoom;38834455]I'm fucking pissed off at how this story is likely to become a political shitstorm and distract from the matter that 27 people died, and how this story is to dwarf everyone's attention on other matters that are just as worse. It's also disheartening to see News casters to change from a deep, emotionally sympathetic theme when talking on this to then an upbeat and energetic theme when talking about the next Cricket test or something.[/QUOTE] Contradiction of the year. You don't want this to distract from every other news story, but you're upset when news casters don't tell every story in a depressed tone?

[QUOTE=Jordax;38833065]What language is the upper text in?[/QUOTE] probably hungarian