DEVELOPING: Shooting reported at Connecticut elementary school; 27 killed
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[QUOTE=Raidyr;38834451]This is such a slippery slope that DARPA had to be contracted to create a 100% frictionless surface wrap.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, well...
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn[/url]
[QUOTE=BigBoom;38834455]I feel for the parents personally, having to arrive at school and not know if the 27 children shot dead were there's or not.
I'm fucking pissed off at how this story is likely to become a political shitstorm and distract from the matter that 27 people died, and how this story is to dwarf everyone's attention on other matters that are just as worse.
It's also disheartening to see News casters to change from a deep, emotionally sympathetic theme when talking on this to then an upbeat and energetic theme when talking about the next Cricket test or something.[/QUOTE]
are they supposed to be happy and energetic about dead kids?
wow people think this is all mass effect's fault simply because the killer 'liked' mass effect's facebook page
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[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38834495]probably hungarian[/QUOTE]
Really badly spelled Hungarian it is
[QUOTE=meppers;38834509]wow people think this is all mass effect's fault simply because the killer 'liked' mass effect's facebook page[/QUOTE]
Fairly certain that it wasn't even the right profile/an error on the reporting sites part too.
It was mentioned somewhere in this thread, between all the gun control debating.
[QUOTE=meppers;38834509]wow people think this is all mass effect's fault simply because the killer 'liked' mass effect's facebook page[/QUOTE]
not even the killer, it's his brother
[QUOTE=Persious;38834387]I am sad to hear this, and I hope Obama will change the laws around there, which will require you to have a license. It makes me mad, that people that are sick, can get guns without any reason at all. I am with those families, and hope that they'll get through it.[/QUOTE]
Dude, it is already illegal for insane people to purchase firearms. What we need is improved mental healthcare.
BTW - The guns [I]were[/I] stolen. From his mother.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38834507]are they supposed to be happy and energetic about dead kids?[/QUOTE]
Not at all.
It's just uncomfortable to see them switch personalities so easily.
[QUOTE=Ridge;38834506]Yeah, well...
[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn[/URL][/QUOTE]
First off, no one has said anything about outright banning weapons. That's a slippery slope argument right there.
As to the Asian Knife Attack theme that pervades these threads, it's just as terrible that it occurs but it's nowhere near as common as the US killing spree epidemic involving firearms, typically rifles and handguns using large magazines that are far more effective at killing human beings than a man with a knife is. The story you linked says he was detained by security. How many shooters in US history were successfully detained before their rampage ended?
[QUOTE=faze;38834548]BTW - The guns [I]were[/I] stolen. From his mother.[/QUOTE]
Has there been any statements from his family (unlikely I know), or news on them? I heard his brother was being questioned by the police.
what if the shooter was a man from the future who had to assassinate an evil dictator who ended civilization in the future and the only way to save humanity was to kill this dictator when he was a child and he had to stage it to look like a second degree mass murdering
[QUOTE=Raidyr;38834451]This is such a slippery slope that DARPA had to be contracted to create a 100% frictionless surface wrap.[/QUOTE]
That's the point man. I was intentionally making a slippery slope, because there's no way out of it.
Ban guns and then people have to get creative. In my experience with viewing massacres, I find that the more creative they get, the more horrific.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster[/url]
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[QUOTE=Alternativ;38834596]what if the shooter was a man from the future who had to assassinate an evil dictator who ended civilization in the future and the only way to save humanity was to kill this dictator when he was a child[/QUOTE]
That doesn't explain why he killed both of his parents.
[QUOTE=Alternativ;38834596]what if the shooter was a man from the future who had to assassinate an evil dictator who ended civilization in the future and the only way to save humanity was to kill this dictator when he was a child[/QUOTE]
Well, in that case he clearly over did it, for a guy from the future, he was also way too flashy about it, if he did not want to influence any other future events. And if we were to further think of that, killing a future dictator would not even be necessary, you would simply have to gently influence his life to ensure that he does not become one.
Adolf Hitler could have been one of the most influencial positive speakers of the century, for example.
[QUOTE=Archimedes;38834588]Has there been any statements from his family (unlikely I know), or news on them? I heard his brother was being questioned by the police.[/QUOTE]
It's all over saying that he got them from his mom. And plus, he was 20. Have to be 21 to own restricted weapons. (Handguns, AR15, etc)
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;38834598]That's the point man. I was intentionally making a slippery slope, because there's no way out of it.
Ban guns and then people have to get creative. In my experience with viewing massacres, I find that the more creative they get, the more horrific.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster[/url]
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That doesn't explain why he killed both of his parents.[/QUOTE]
You can keep arguing that apathy is the best course of action and float through life hoping you aren't the one shot to death at the next public place, I'll keep arguing that atleast some gun control at this point needs to be looked at, as well as general societal welfare like decreasing poverty, increased education, and stronger support for the mental health of our citizens.
[QUOTE=faze;38834625]It's all over saying that he got them from his mom. And plus, he was 20. Have to be 21 to own restricted weapons. (Handguns, AR15, etc)[/QUOTE]
I wasn't doubting you, if that's what you got from my post. I was just asking if there was any more information about them turning up.
I'm sorry if I worded my question poorly.
The problem with gun control in an area has some flaws.
The internet is a great way to abuse freedom of information. You can just order something from another place, go get it, then ride to where you want to go.
How else do you think guns are getting into Chicago, despite massive legislature against it.
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I'm just saying. Chicago is a great example of why it doesn't work if you just throw laws at it.
[QUOTE=Archimedes;38834652]I wasn't doubting you, if that's what you got from my post. I was just asking if there was any more information about them turning up.
I'm sorry if I worded my question poorly.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't saying that at all. Just clarifying. Forgot to include his age in case anyone missed it.
The likely story is he showed up at his moms house, they got into a fight...He grabbed a gun, shot her and then went to the school.
[QUOTE=faze;38834661]Wasn't saying that at all. Just clarifying. Forgot to include his age in case anyone missed it.
The likely story is he showed up at his moms house, they got into a fight...He grabbed a gun, shot her and then went to the school.[/QUOTE]
Then we could perhaps assume that this was some kind of mental breakdown, and not something premeditated. I'm honestly not sure what is worse if that's the case.
[QUOTE=Archimedes;38834683]Then we could perhaps assume that this was some kind of mental breakdown, and not something premeditated. I'm honestly not sure what is worse if that's the case.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. No one could premeditate something like this. Though the question does arise, did he take the tac gear from his mom too?
[QUOTE=Alternativ;38834596]what if the shooter was a man from the future who had to assassinate an evil dictator who ended civilization in the future and the only way to save humanity was to kill this dictator when he was a child and he had to stage it to look like a second degree mass murdering[/QUOTE]
Already been covered.
[IMG]http://img4.joyreactor.com/pics/post/comics-college-humour-science-time-machine-464574.jpeg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Bledrix;38833304]Anyone see this bullshit?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/NEh05.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
To be fair, most people dislike having something they like interrupted for something they dont care terribly much about
Yeah this is terrible, but you seriously dont need to interrupt all channels for a good while just to make people go "well thats fucking terrible" and find something else to watch
I'm fairly sure most people would hear about this within 12 hours anyways without all factual errors
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57559350/connecticut-gunman-sought-to-kill-as-many-children-as-possible/[/url]
He also stole his dead mom's car.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;38834268]And also, there's no way to deter spree shooters, aside from having metal detectors and guards stationed at every point.
If guns are banned, the man will make explosives or get a knife. Ban knives, and you have farming tools, ban farming tools and you can't cook or grow food. Without food, people would starve.
If people are starved and dying of famine, there will be mass robberies for food. There's no way out of this.[/QUOTE]
That has to be the most fallacious argument I've read in a while. Killing people with explosives requires intent, prior planning, a knowledge of chemistry (generally unless you want your first project to be your last), and tons of sustained effort. Killing a lot of people with a knife requires more than a whim, sustained effort, and an effective method of attack. Murder with a garden trowel or steel rake (*since you brought it up) requires fury, sustained long term effort, and a willingness to continue into one of the messiest murders you'll ever commit. Same goes for murdering someone with your bare hands.
Killing a lot of people with a gun requires a whim, a gun, the ability to aim, and ammo. Nothing more. All I have to do is 'point and click', and I've either completed or partially completed the act of murder.
So if we eliminate or greatly reduce the capacity for the mentally ill to acquire firearms, we restrict the mass murder population from a point and click interface to either requiring the gumption for brutal slaughter or the scientific know-how to manufacture explosives. I think we would lower the numbers a [I]bit [/I]that way.
Well also conjugating the idea that any gun control measures automatically equals a ban on literally every firearm ever and immediate confiscation is also fallacious but that doesn't stop that strawman from being used.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;38834796]Well also conjugating the idea that any gun control measures automatically equals a ban on literally every firearm ever and immediate confiscation is also fallacious but that doesn't stop that strawman from being used.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, didn't mean to quote your post. Yours wasn't 'the most fallacious argument I've read in a while'
ugh, I'm about to throw up about this story. So sad.
