DEVELOPING: Shooting reported at Connecticut elementary school; 27 killed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;38835255]It is mentally difficult, but all it takes is a mental slip. We are all prone to those. We all lose touch with reality and our sense of empathy in response to stress, trauma, and many other common life factors that come from living in the 21st century. All it takes is a few seconds of not comprehending consequences, and a normal person with a firearm could commit murder. The same could not be said about the people with other weapons. If we are talking about 'normal people' then all those guns would do is bounce on their hips and in their purses while they run like hell from the shooting. So, instead of everyone running, you've got some turning to shoot at the attacker, sending lead slugs at several hundred feet per second through the air in a slight parabola until it impacts flesh or inanimate material. This is while EVERYONE ELSE IS RUNNING AND LOSING THEIR SHIT. So bullets flying from several directions instead of one, everyone who is 'normal' having some bias to 'shoot to miss' as many soldiers do, so a lot of unaimed ammunition going in multiple directions with people freaking the fuck out all around. Sounds optimal as all hell. It's not that it would degenerate into a warzone due to the presence of firearms, but chaos would grow exponentially in crisis situations in the wake of everybody being armed.[/QUOTE] You make very valid arguments, but that is exactly why I also mentioned the importance of training. Panic partially occurs because people do not know how to behave under the presence of fear, or in our case, do not know how to behave if an actual shooting were to happen, with everyone actually armed. It would be a terrible idea to automatically ensure of everyone owning firearms, without first ensuring that the citizens know how to behave in various situations. The idea would work very poorly without preparation, I am definitely not advocating to simply hand out guns. And also, if you have the capacity of slipping up to the degree of pulling out a gun and shooting someone, then you probably would not be deemed mentally stable enough to carry it in the first place. I am making very large emphasis on finding out who is actually legible.

Sorry if it's been said already by someone through these 34 pages of "interesting comments" but here is my opinion (about which probably no one cares) : Before most of the americans start fighting off their "freedom rights" you gotta agree that they should ban all gun laws. I mean it's retarded how everyone is allowed to own a gun. I know USA is considered and made such way that: "we are freedom country, do whatever you want" but seriously could government not back off their tag line just to avoid these things happening? At most that could happen is couple psychos protesting and rioting for having their toy taken off them, but is that really more important than avoiding such shit? in Ireland guns are banned, completely banned, even typical street police don't have guns, in fact laws are so strict that police found 2 empty shotgun shells in my car and I had to bring some documents next day to police station. I am sure if guns were banned or not public access allowed in USA this and 70% of other shootings wouldn't happen.

[QUOTE=arleitiss;38835403]Sorry if it's been said already by someone through these 34 pages of "interesting comments" but here is my opinion (about which probably no one cares) : Before most of the americans start fighting off their "freedom rights" you gotta agree that they should ban all gun laws. I mean it's retarded how everyone is allowed to own a gun. I know USA is considered and made such way that: "we are freedom country, do whatever you want" but seriously could government not back off their tag line just to avoid these things happening? At most that could happen is couple psychos protesting and rioting for having their toy taken off them, but is that really more important than avoiding such shit? in Ireland guns are banned, completely banned, even typical street police don't have guns, in fact laws are so strict that police found 2 empty shotgun shells in my car and I had to bring some documents next day to police station. I am sure if guns were banned or not public access allowed in USA this and 70% of other shootings wouldn't happen.[/QUOTE] except you know its alot harder to enforce because we arent a small island

[table="width: 700, class: outer_border, align: center"] [tr] [td][h2]Fuck Everything, Nation Reports[/h2] [b]Just Fuck It All To Hell[/b] DECEMBER 14, 2012 | ISSUE 48•50 | [img]http://o.onionstatic.com/images/19/19050/16x9/635.jpg?2006[/img] [i]"I mean, Christ almighty, how the fuck can this happen?" sources say.[/i] WASHINGTON—Following the fatal shooting this morning at a Connecticut elementary school that left at least 27 dead, including 20 small children, sources across the nation shook their heads, stifled a sob in their voices, and reported fuck everything. Just fuck it all to hell. All of it, sources added. “I’m sorry, but fuck it, I can’t handle this—I just can’t handle it anymore,” said Deborah McEllis, who added that “no, no, no, no, no, this isn’t happening, this can’t be real.” “Seriously, what the hell is this? What’s even going on anymore? Why do things like this keep happening?” Continued McEllis, before covering her face with her hands, “Why?” Despairing sources confirmed that the gunman, armed with a semiautomatic assault rifle—a fucking combat rifle, Jesus—walked into a classroom full of goddamned children where his mother was a teacher and, good God, if this is what the world is becoming, then how about we just pack it in and fucking give up, because this is no way to live. I mean, honestly, all 315 million Americans confirmed. “Well, I suppose we have to try to pick up the pieces and make some sort of sense of this tragedy and—you know what? Fuck it, I can’t do this,” said Connecticut resident Michael Zaleski, his remarks understandable given the circumstances, because, holy shit, what else can one say? “I’m sorry, but I can’t fucking do this. Can you? Can anyone?” Witnesses said the gunman fired at least 100 rounds during his deadly rampage, which, according to children in the school—goddamnit, how? How? Twenty children. Dead. In a fucking school. No. No, no, no. “I just feel so [why does it even matter what this person said when no words can bring 20 dead kids back to life?]” said some person who, just like everyone else, is completely unable to process or handle any of this. “It’s awful. Just too awful to bear.” Americans reported feelings of overwhelming disgust with whatever abhorrent bastard did this and with the world at large for ever allowing it to happen, as well as with politicians, with the NRA, and above all with their own pathetic goddamn selves, sitting in front of a fucking computer instead of doing fucking anything to help anyone—Christ, as if that were even fucking possible, as if anyone could change what happened, as if the same fucking bullshit isn’t going to keep happening again and again and fucking again before people finally decide it’s time to change the way we live, so what’s the point? What the hell is the goddamned point? “I…” said Tom Miller, 27, after reading an article about the tragedy online. “I just…” “…” he added. At press time…screw it, there’s nothing else to say. [url=http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everything-nation-reports,30743/]The Onion[/url] [/td] [/tr] [/table] oh late sorry seeya

[url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-connecticut-school-shooting-20121214,0,4678476.story?page=2&ref=feed&fb_source=feed&_ft_=qid.5821983280312784478%3Amf_story_key.450086881714965&refid=28[/url] It was all done with the two handguns. The AR15 was left in the car.

[QUOTE=arleitiss;38835403]Sorry if it's been said already by someone through these 34 pages of "interesting comments" but here is my opinion (about which probably no one cares) : Before most of the americans start fighting off their "freedom rights" you gotta agree that they should ban all gun laws. I mean it's retarded how everyone is allowed to own a gun. I know USA is considered and made such way that: "we are freedom country, do whatever you want" but seriously could government not back off their tag line just to avoid these things happening? At most that could happen is couple psychos protesting and rioting for having their toy taken off them, but is that really more important than avoiding such shit? in Ireland guns are banned, completely banned, even typical street police don't have guns, in fact laws are so strict that police found 2 empty shotgun shells in my car and I had to bring some documents next day to police station. I am sure if guns were banned or not public access allowed in USA this and 70% of other shootings wouldn't happen.[/QUOTE] I think the case is that if guns were banned the shooter would simply find another way to cause that damage. I mean his goal isn't 'to shoot some guns' it's 'to kill a lot of people', so they'd likely simply look up online how to make napalm and bombs and hit the school with that I don't want to get into this gun debate because I don't have time to argue a bunch today, but I will say that I feel that tackling the mental health issues and removing the whole 'it's not a [I]real[/I] health issue' attitude that most people have towards mental health is key to solving this type of issue

How can this particular event "omg this ruined my whole day" when you don't even know these people, and thousands of people and animals die every day.

[QUOTE=GameDev;38835424][table="width: 700, class: outer_border, align: center"] [tr] [td][h2]Fuck Everything, Nation Reports[/h2] [b]Just Fuck It All To Hell[/b] DECEMBER 14, 2012 | ISSUE 48•50 | [img]http://o.onionstatic.com/images/19/19050/16x9/635.jpg?2006[/img] [i]"I mean, Christ almighty, how the fuck can this happen?" sources say.[/i] WASHINGTON—Following the fatal shooting this morning at a Connecticut elementary school that left at least 27 dead, including 20 small children, sources across the nation shook their heads, stifled a sob in their voices, and reported fuck everything. Just fuck it all to hell. All of it, sources added. “I’m sorry, but fuck it, I can’t handle this—I just can’t handle it anymore,” said Deborah McEllis, who added that “no, no, no, no, no, this isn’t happening, this can’t be real.” “Seriously, what the hell is this? What’s even going on anymore? Why do things like this keep happening?” Continued McEllis, before covering her face with her hands, “Why?” Despairing sources confirmed that the gunman, armed with a semiautomatic assault rifle—a fucking combat rifle, Jesus—walked into a classroom full of goddamned children where his mother was a teacher and, good God, if this is what the world is becoming, then how about we just pack it in and fucking give up, because this is no way to live. I mean, honestly, all 315 million Americans confirmed. “Well, I suppose we have to try to pick up the pieces and make some sort of sense of this tragedy and—you know what? Fuck it, I can’t do this,” said Connecticut resident Michael Zaleski, his remarks understandable given the circumstances, because, holy shit, what else can one say? “I’m sorry, but I can’t fucking do this. Can you? Can anyone?” Witnesses said the gunman fired at least 100 rounds during his deadly rampage, which, according to children in the school—goddamnit, how? How? Twenty children. Dead. In a fucking school. No. No, no, no. “I just feel so [why does it even matter what this person said when no words can bring 20 dead kids back to life?]” said some person who, just like everyone else, is completely unable to process or handle any of this. “It’s awful. Just too awful to bear.” Americans reported feelings of overwhelming disgust with whatever abhorrent bastard did this and with the world at large for ever allowing it to happen, as well as with politicians, with the NRA, and above all with their own pathetic goddamn selves, sitting in front of a fucking computer instead of doing fucking anything to help anyone—Christ, as if that were even fucking possible, as if anyone could change what happened, as if the same fucking bullshit isn’t going to keep happening again and again and fucking again before people finally decide it’s time to change the way we live, so what’s the point? What the hell is the goddamned point? “I…” said Tom Miller, 27, after reading an article about the tragedy online. “I just…” “…” he added. At press time…screw it, there’s nothing else to say. [url=http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everything-nation-reports,30743/]The Onion[/url] [/td] [/tr] [/table][/QUOTE] personally, I think that was a little tasteless, just me though

[QUOTE=arleitiss;38835403]Sorry if it's been said already by someone through these 34 pages of "interesting comments" but here is my opinion (about which probably no one cares) : Before most of the americans start fighting off their "freedom rights" you gotta agree that they should ban all gun laws. I mean it's retarded how everyone is allowed to own a gun. I know USA is considered and made such way that: "we are freedom country, do whatever you want" but seriously could government not back off their tag line just to avoid these things happening? At most that could happen is couple psychos protesting and rioting for having their toy taken off them, but is that really more important than avoiding such shit? in Ireland guns are banned, completely banned, even typical street police don't have guns, in fact laws are so strict that police found 2 empty shotgun shells in my car and I had to bring some documents next day to police station. I am sure if guns were banned or not public access allowed in USA this and 70% of other shootings wouldn't happen.[/QUOTE] That last statistic is pulled rather out of your ass, can you back that assertion that 70% of crimes wouldn't happen? Also, gun control in Ireland sure doesn't stop the IRA. And it's not just a matter of that, you don't understand the quantity and value of guns in America. There are literally trillions of dollars worth of guns in the US, it's more than just having "one toy" taken away, form any it's a collection of at least $10,000 worth of guns, hell some people have 1 gun that's worth $50,000. And people protesting in favour of their right to own private property are not psychos, and gun control in the US has failed in the past to be effective, Columbine happened in the middle of an Assault Weapons Ban. Before you go insulting 1/3 of a country because of a something they own, you should think more about the social factors involved, and back up outlandish claims that somehow banning guns would A) work in the US and B) somehow reduce crime by 70% despite the fact that the underlying causes of crime would not be addressed at all in such a ban.

[QUOTE=.:FoxOnFire:.;38835467]How can this particular event "omg this ruined my whole day" when you don't even know these people, and thousands of people and animals die every day.[/QUOTE] Stop posting.

[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;38835468]personally, I think that was a little tasteless, just me though[/QUOTE] I disagree; I don't feel like they're taking the piss with this one. It feels like they're throwing in the towel on this particular news story and just saying 'you know what, fuck it'.

[QUOTE=.:FoxOnFire:.;38835467]How can this particular event "omg this ruined my whole day" when you don't even know these people, and thousands of people and animals die every day.[/QUOTE] you don't need to degrade the thread further with your white fuzz posts and half-assed attempts at nihilism

[QUOTE=arleitiss;38835403]I am sure if guns were banned or not public access allowed in USA this and 70% of other shootings wouldn't happen.[/QUOTE] The problem with banning guns all together is that it would create a much larger black market. Especially in America. Which in turn could create some much more major issues/repercussions to deal with. So, banning guns wont stop a [I]criminal[/I] from obtaining a gun, though I do agree that it would probably have a larger affect on psycho shootings at schools. FYI, the Second amendment of the US constitution was written in a time when a firearm had to be loaded from the front and was inefficient as all hell. Plus, the 2nd amendment is taken a bit out of context in most situations.

[QUOTE=.:FoxOnFire:.;38835467]How can this particular event "omg this ruined my whole day" when you don't even know these people, and thousands of people and animals die every day.[/QUOTE] Words cannot describe the jackassery in this post.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38835477]That last statistic is pulled rather out of your ass, can you back that assertion that 70% of crimes wouldn't happen? Also, gun control in Ireland sure doesn't stop the IRA. And it's not just a matter of that, you don't understand the quantity and value of guns in America. There are literally trillions of dollars worth of guns in the US, it's more than just having "one toy" taken away, form any it's a collection of at least $10,000 worth of guns, hell some people have 1 gun that's worth $50,000. And people protesting in favour of their right to own private property are not psychos, and gun control in the US has failed in the past to be effective, Columbine happened in the middle of an Assault Weapons Ban. Before you go insulting 1/3 of a country because of a something they own, you should think more about the social factors involved, and back up outlandish claims that somehow banning guns would A) work in the US and B) somehow reduce crime by 70% despite the fact that the underlying causes of crime would not be addressed at all in such a ban.[/QUOTE] You seem to have rather some kind of anger issues. Just saying. I didn't insult anyone or anything, all I did is wrote my opinion of what "I personally" think, did I say something like "Owning a gun is bad and if you own a gun you are bad?" - no I didn't. I just said that perhaps if there was bit more control over guns it would make at least less problems/cases like this. Even having 1 less case like this would be a change.

[QUOTE=.:FoxOnFire:.;38835467]How can this particular event "omg this ruined my whole day" when you don't even know these people, and thousands of people and animals die every day.[/QUOTE] because we care when a bunch of little kids get shot by a nut job. Not implying you dont, sorry if it comes out that way

[QUOTE=arleitiss;38835563]You seem to have rather some kind of anger issues. Just saying. I didn't insult anyone or anything, all I did is wrote my opinion of what "I personally" think, did I say something like "Owning a gun is bad and if you own a gun you are bad?" - no I didn't. I just said that perhaps if there was bit more control over guns it would make at least less problems/cases like this. Even having 1 less case like this would be a change.[/QUOTE] [quote]At most that could happen [B]is couple psychos[/B] protesting and rioting for having their toy taken off them[/quote] Calling people who own guns psychos is an insult. And I'm not sure where you attempted to garner anger issues from my post.

real talk: so let's say you give all the teachers handguns and cc training. guess what happens? shooter comes in, teacher pulls gun, panics, misses, gets shot congrats you just gave the shooter another magazine of 9mm

[QUOTE=jaykray;38835208]This has been posted before (although not this exact image). I'm just putting it back up for consistency. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SqnFE.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] What game are they talking about?

If one terrorist attack can impede on American citizens freedoms a dozen school shootings should impede on guntards freedoms.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;38835605]real talk: so let's say you give all the teachers handguns and cc training. guess what happens? shooter comes in, teacher pulls gun, panics, misses, gets shot congrats you just gave the shooter another magazine of 9mm[/QUOTE] Other possibility: Teacher shoots, kills him, shooting over. We went over the argument of CCW earlier in the thread, some of us kind of concluded that either could happen, but the possibility of defence is beneficial. Not to mention other teachers can come in and use their guns if every teacher is armed, it doesn't stop at just that class' teacher. Also, you're not on gamegrumps, the use of "real talk" was unnecessary and doesn't add any more credibility to your argument.

[QUOTE=arleitiss;38835563]You seem to have rather some kind of anger issues. Just saying. I didn't insult anyone or anything, all I did is wrote my opinion of what "I personally" think, did I say something like "Owning a gun is bad and if you own a gun you are bad?" - no I didn't. I just said that perhaps if there was bit more control over guns it would make at least less problems/cases like this. Even having 1 less case like this would be a change.[/QUOTE] Quick question[somewhat relevant to Ireland aswell]: What's stopping criminal syndicates from manufacturing firearms?

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38835640]Other possibility: Teacher shoots, kills him, shooting over. We went over the argument of CCW earlier in the thread, some of us kind of concluded that either could happen, but the possibility of defence is beneficial. Not to mention other teachers can come in and use their guns if every teacher is armed, it doesn't stop at just that class' teacher. Also, you're not on gamegrumps, the use of "real talk" was unnecessary and doesn't add any more credibility to your argument.[/QUOTE] What if a kid steals the gun and uses it on students, arming all of american teachers is a massive risk.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38835640]Other possibility: Teacher shoots, kills him, shooting over. We went over the argument of CCW earlier in the thread, some of us kind of concluded that either could happen, but the possibility of defence is beneficial. Not to mention other teachers can come in and use their guns if every teacher is armed, it doesn't stop at just that class' teacher. Also, you're not on gamegrumps, the use of "real talk" was unnecessary and doesn't add any more credibility to your argument.[/QUOTE] if i go to a public school i don't think i want people toting around firearms

When the 2nd amendment was made, guns were one shot muskets that took a long ass time to be reloaded, requiring tools similar to handheld chimney sweepers. The bullets also did not penetrate multiple walls with ease. Granted no one wants to ban guns, rather have background checks, because many places do not, and laws that enforce sensible responsibilities

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;38835605]real talk: so let's say you give all the teachers handguns and cc training. guess what happens? shooter comes in, teacher pulls gun, panics, misses, gets shot congrats you just gave the shooter another magazine of 9mm[/QUOTE] We mentioned the importance of training. And one teacher missing does not stop the other one from hitting.

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;38835660]What if a kid steals the gun and uses it on students, arming all of american teachers is a massive risk.[/QUOTE] Highly unlikely to the point of being nearly impossible, especially if the teacher is concealed-carrying the kid would need to reach under their clothes in some way to get at it. Also, why do the kids need to know? We also went over that the possibility of a kid stealing a security guard's gun from the holster is unlikely because they'd notice it and it takes effort to remove the gun, the same applies to an openly-carried gun by a teacher, they'd notice someone trying to take it out of the holster and stop them.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38835640]Other possibility: Teacher shoots, kills him, shooting over. We went over the argument of CCW earlier in the thread, some of us kind of concluded that either could happen, but the possibility of defence is beneficial. Not to mention other teachers can come in and use their guns if every teacher is armed, it doesn't stop at just that class' teacher. Also, you're not on gamegrumps, the use of "real talk" was unnecessary and doesn't add any more credibility to your argument.[/QUOTE] alright so you're a teacher you've already heard shots and screaming coming from the room next door guy comes in in an ideal world, sure, i imagine that probably yeah, teacher can take the shot but i would imagine that 9 times out of10 they would cock it up

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38835683]Highly unlikely to the point of being nearly impossible, especially if the teacher is concealed-carrying the kid would need to reach under their clothes in some way to get at it. Also, why do the kids need to know? We also went over that the possibility of a kid stealing a security guard's gun from the holster is unlikely because they'd notice it and it takes effort to remove the gun, the same applies to an openly-carried gun by a teacher, they'd notice someone trying to take it out of the holster and stop them.[/QUOTE] The risks of a student taking a gun from a teacher is far greater then the risk of a school shooting.

[quote]1. National gun-related tragedy occurs, 20+ people die 2. The media scrambles to churn out as much information (regardless of accuracy) as fast as possible 3. Liberals jump on the earliest reports and scramble for Facebook and MSNBC to shriek for tighter gun control laws 4. Conservatives get unreasonably defensive and complain that we don’t need new laws, just better enforcement of the ones we have now (or worse: more guns. Because we all know 8-year-olds could have defended themselves if they only had firearms in class) 5. “Moderates” blast both groups for politicizing a tragedy and say that we should be there for the victims and put off the debate until later 6. President Obama goes on TV, says nothing of any policy substance but tries to relate to it as a father 7. Facts about the case become known, with pundits on one of the two sides claiming vindication for their earlier gut reaction 8. Flags fly at half staff for a week, funerals occur 9. Two months go by without any conversation actually taking place 10. See Step 1.[/quote] another day in the life