DEVELOPING: Shooting reported at Connecticut elementary school; 27 killed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=faze;38835955]This is the world we live in, like it or not.[/QUOTE] If that isn't the dumbest argument ever heard, I must've heard some pretty dumb arguments. Because "the world" is just this static thing that no one can do anything about. Maybe you should look at bit more at Europe and go "how come this stuff happens here and not over there?", instead of thinking about arming teachers. It's not even fucking certain it has something to do with guns (I personally would say so, though), but just saying "yeah, that's just like, the world, you know" is incredibly stupid.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;38835984]Yep, the actions of one dude reflect on the entire American society. Solid work.[/QUOTE] Except there are numerous examples of similar incidents at educational facilities throughout America in the last 20 years which kind of indicate either something is wrong with the way these things are reported or that adequate mental/educational/safety services are lacking

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;38836022] Maybe you should look at bit more at Europe and go "how come this stuff happens here and not over there?"[/QUOTE] This would work if, y'know, the US is Europe, but it kind of isn't, so you can't take what applies to Europe and say "well do this US."

Israel encourages everyone to be armed, not just it's teachers. That's because they live in an entirely different society than Americans do. No offense to Israel but they aren't a model for social policy Thailand allows teachers in it's south districts to carry concealed weapons because they need protection from Islamic extremists. Again, far from a comparable state of affairs to the United States, where the most often hit areas are rural small towns. Neither country forces it, and neither country claims a majority of teachers bringing firearms with them to school. People compare the US to the UK, western Europe, and Australia because geographically and socio-politically are much closer together than either of the countries you list as an example. [QUOTE=faze;38835955]This is the world we live in, like it or not.[/QUOTE] Getting tired of of the white noise apathy posts. Go somewhere else if you have nothing to contribute [QUOTE=Lonestriper;38835975]Something is obviously not right in American society[/QUOTE] The problem with America is not enough people own guns even though we outstrip the second closest country by over 50%.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;38836025]Except there are numerous examples of similar incidents at educational facilities throughout America in the last 20 years which kind of indicate either something is wrong with the way these things are reported or that adequate mental/educational/safety services are lacking[/QUOTE] Okay so do you have any idea how fucking insubstantial the amount of crazy people are in reflection of the entirety of US society?

[QUOTE=Protocol7;38835984] Yep, the actions of one dude reflect on the entire American society. Solid work.[/QUOTE] "one dude" America has a severe problem when it comes to shooting sprees. Why?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38836047]"one dude" America has a severe problem when it comes to shooting sprees. Why?[/QUOTE] A "severe problem?" Are you kidding me? [URL]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map[/URL] Mother Jones reports at least 62 in the past 30 years. Guess what? We have [B]300 million people.[/B] And counting. 62 in 30 years is not a problem. These are just problems with having an extremely large population, it's not a societal problem.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;38836073]A "severe problem?" Are you kidding me? [URL]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map[/URL] Mother Jones reports at least 62 in the past 30 years. Guess what? We have [B]300 million people.[/B] And counting. 62 in 30 years is not a problem. These are just problems with having an extremely large population, it's not a societal problem.[/QUOTE] Any amount of shootings in any amount of time is a problem.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;38836073]These are just problems with having an extremely large population[/QUOTE] so does the European Union - your standing point is? [QUOTE]it's not a societal problem[/QUOTE] gonna have to ask for a professional study in favor of this, buddy

[QUOTE=jaykray;38835208]This has been posted before (although not this exact image). I'm just putting it back up for consistency. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SqnFE.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/WPoo5.png[/img]

Uh I'd call an average of 2 mass shootings a year for 30 years pretty fucking severe.

[QUOTE=Judas;38836095]Any amount of shootings in any amount of time is a problem.[/QUOTE] Platitudes are never helpful.

[QUOTE=Swiket;38836108][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WPoo5.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] "He didn't dew it because of us, guys." wow, whoever does the PR on this Facebook page should get a slap on the wrist for making this insanely stupid pun, especially considering that it's a response to a shooting

[QUOTE=Valnar;38836117]Platitudes are never helpful.[/QUOTE] Do you know what a platitude is? Can you give me the appropriate amount of mass murders? Should we as a society not be trying our hardest to limit them?

[QUOTE=Judas;38836095]Any amount of shootings in any amount of time is a problem.[/QUOTE] What kind of world do you live in? [QUOTE=Ownederd;38836105]so does the European Union - your standing point is? gonna have to ask for a professional study in favor of this, buddy[/QUOTE] The European Union has no shortage of crime itself. Sure, they aren't all shootings but neither is crime in the US.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;38836132]"He didn't dew it because of us, guys." wow, whoever does the PR on this Facebook page should get a slap on the wrist for making this insanely stupid pun, especially considering that it's a response to a shooting[/QUOTE] Is this real or Photoshopped? Yeah just looked at the status. It's b/s.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38836133]Do you know what a platitude is? Can you give me the appropriate amount of mass murders? Should we as a society not be trying our hardest to limit them?[/QUOTE] What kind of white knight bullshit is this? Of course every sane person wants to limit the amount of mass murders. Pointing out that other countries don't have problems with mass murder sprees isn't particularly helpful.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;38836148]What kind of world do you live in? The European Union has no shortage of crime itself. Sure, they aren't all shootings but neither is crime in the US.[/QUOTE] do you have a ratio comparing the differences in the rate of firearm homicides in the US and EU, and articles comparing the regulations of firearms in those respective nations [QUOTE=Protocol7;38836158][B]What kind of white knight bullshit [/B]is this? Of course every sane person wants to limit the amount of mass murders. Pointing out that other countries don't have problems with mass murder sprees isn't particularly helpful.[/QUOTE] lol

This news totally ruined my day, and I had been in a good mood from seeing the new Hobbit movie & being done with college for the year. :(

[QUOTE=Ownederd;38836160]do you have a ratio comparing the differences in the rate of firearm homicides in the US and EU, and articles comparing the regulations of firearms in those respective nations lol[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter because the EU and the US are two completely different entities. Pointing out that there are less shootings in Europe doesn't help anything.

People who commit crimes like this are fucking oxygen thieves, and he's a god damned pussy too, killing himself like the little bitch that he was. While the united states has allot of shootings like this, you cannot judge the society based on some fuckhead jobless cunt who got violent.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38836133]Do you know what a platitude is? Can you give me the appropriate amount of mass murders? Should we as a society not be trying our hardest to limit them?[/QUOTE] A platitude is a meaningless statement presented as significant. Nobody will argue that any amount of mass murders is a good thing, but saying that doesn't have any meaning. It is like if I said "nobody should die from cancer" and meant that to be a statement that had any sort of meaning behind it.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;38836179]It doesn't matter because the EU and the US are two completely different entities. Pointing out that there are less shootings in Europe doesn't help anything.[/QUOTE] Wait I thought we were looking towards other countries on how to deal with this problem? Back when we were giving teachers Glocks. Also I'm still interested in how many mass shootings have to occur before it counts as a problem. [editline]14th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Valnar;38836189]A platitude is a meaningless statement presented as significant. Nobody will argue that any amount of mass murders is a good thing, but saying that doesn't have any meaning. It is like if I said "nobody should die from cancer" and meant that to be a statement that had any sort of meaning behind it.[/QUOTE] "nobody should die from cancer" and "any amount of shootings in any amount of time is a problem" are two entirely different statements that don't overlap whatsoever in content or meaning. A more comparable thing to say is that "any amount of people dying from cancer (when we have the means to control it) is a problem" [editline]14th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Fuckitbucket;38836181]People who commit crimes like this are fucking oxygen thieves, and he's a god damned pussy too, killing himself like the little bitch that he was. While the united states has allot of shootings like this, you cannot judge the society based on some fuckhead jobless cunt who got violent.[/QUOTE] As a responsible gun owner I feel like it's my duty to point out the cancerous, vile gun lobby and gun culture the United States harbors. Sorry if you disagree.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38835683]Highly unlikely to the point of being nearly impossible, especially if the teacher is concealed-carrying the kid would need to reach under their clothes in some way to get at it. Also, why do the kids need to know? We also went over that the possibility of a kid stealing a security guard's gun from the holster is unlikely because they'd notice it and it takes effort to remove the gun, the same applies to an openly-carried gun by a teacher, they'd notice someone trying to take it out of the holster and stop them.[/QUOTE] But if you get hip-checked against a wall by a big, suicidal kid, then I don't think there is a lot you can do about it.

[QUOTE=Fuckitbucket;38836181]People who commit crimes like this are fucking oxygen thieves, and he's a god damned pussy too, killing himself like the little bitch that he was. While the united states has allot of shootings like this, you cannot judge the society based on some fuckhead jobless cunt who got violent.[/QUOTE] please stop

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38836196] As a responsible gun owner I feel like it's my duty to point out the cancerous, vile gun lobby and gun culture the United States harbors. Sorry if you disagree.[/QUOTE] RGOA: Reasonable Gun Owners Association. Forming now

[QUOTE=Fuckitbucket;38836181]People who commit crimes like this are fucking oxygen thieves, and he's a god damned pussy too, killing himself like the little bitch that he was. While the united states has allot of shootings like this, you cannot judge the society based on some fuckhead jobless cunt who got violent.[/QUOTE] [quote] he's a god damned pussy too, killing himself like the little bitch that he was. [/quote] I agree! He should've been a real MANLY TOUGH MAN and murdered the entire school! And took out a couple cops, too! What kind of bitch kills himself after only 20 kids!? [sp]No, seriously, fuck you.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38836196] As a responsible gun owner I feel like it's my duty to point out the cancerous, vile gun lobby and gun culture the United States harbors. Sorry if you disagree.[/QUOTE] As a responsible, not American gun owner I find this statement to be false, defamatory, and ignorant. See how that works? Claiming to own guns doesn't give your assertion any more credibility. As for the statement itself, the anti-gun lobby is worse in many countries, such as its racist bias in South Africa that makes it nigh impossible for a black person to own a gun legally, to the way it dances on the graves of shooting victims to try and push gun control and fear using emotion and lies in both Australia and Canada, the former of which has had their anti-gun lobby sued for defamation. The American gun lobby is not a cancer, nor is the gun culture, because GUNS ARE NOT THE ISSUE HERE. This is a mental health issue, not an issue about the guns. This is about why he did it, not how he did it, and the stabbing today in an Elementary school in China showcases that guns aren't the only mass-attack weapon. People love to demonize the NRA because of how steadfast they are in their defence of what they exist for, lobbying the government in favour of the 2nd Amendment. They blame the NRA for this, you think the NRA want these things to happen? No, the American gun culture and gun lobby doesn't want these things to happen, nor do they cause or condone them.

Is wanting this asshole to rot in hell rational, or should one pray for him because he didn't get the treatment he needed?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38836196]Wait I thought we were looking towards other countries on how to deal with this problem? Back when we were giving teachers Glocks. Also I'm still interested in how many mass shootings have to occur before it counts as a problem.[/QUOTE] I never said it wasn't a problem. Less than 1% of all murders, however, are the result of mass murder. 67% of all murders in the US are all the result of firearms. This was only in 2010, mind you. And across all 645 mass-murder events we have had between 1976 and 2010, the death count has only been 2,949 ([URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/getting-real-with-mass-murder-stats/2012/07/25/gJQA1YY28W_blog.html[/URL]). That's right! That's only ~86 deaths a year caused by mass murders. Assuming our population hasn't grown since 1976 at 218 million, only 0.000039% of the population succumbs to mass murder yearly. Statistically, I'm sorry, mass murder is irrelevant. Mass murder is, obviously, tragic and unnecessary. The point is, mass murder is such an insignificant portion of firearm homicide that it's almost disgusting how people use massacres to crusade against gun rights, when mass murders aren't even the biggest cause of firearm related homicide.