DEVELOPING: Shooting reported at Connecticut elementary school; 27 killed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38837323]Where I'm from, the 2 terms are synonymous.[/QUOTE] how does this support or help your argument

[QUOTE=Ownederd;38837330]how does this support or help your argument[/QUOTE] Explaining my point of view on it. [QUOTE=Kopimi;38837327]people in your backwoods village aren't very smart then[/QUOTE] Yes, because Canada is a dumb, backwoods village. God you're ignorant.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38837327]people in your backwoods village aren't very smart then[/QUOTE] your title is quite fitting judging by most of your posts in this thread. what kind of statement is that?>

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38837363]Explaining my point of view on it.[/QUOTE] yes but that more or less doesn't change the fact that this is [I]your[/I] interpretation of the meanings of these words, while it's more or less commonly accepted that they both have different translations from each other

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38837270]You also just defeated your argument, you agreed that gun control is not necessarily what leads to lower or higher crime rates. I was asserting that it is moreso the societal differences making people not want to commit crime and helping them with issues so they don't, not their gun control laws.[/QUOTE] My argument was never that gun control solved every societal problem with crime, but did work in some instances depending on social policy and governmental transparancy, and in concert with general crime reducing measures, like increased domestic welfare [QUOTE]To try and assert that the NRA doesn't care if people die in a massacre is demonizing them, it's a hyperbole. At any point that these shootings happen, the NRA always agrees they're a tragedy. [/QUOTE] NRA asked for donations days after Aurora, claiming rights at stake [URL]http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-08-07/news/33087188_1_nra-supporters-gun-rights-nra-executive-vice-president[/URL] NRA's Response to Virginia Tech Shootings: Stand Your Ground [URL]http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2007/04/nras-response-virginia-tech-shootings-stand-your-ground[/URL] "Buy more guns because the liberals are coming; also what a tragedy. But no seriously buy guns before someone else does and kills you!"

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38837363]Yes, because Canada is a dumb, backwoods village. God you're ignorant.[/QUOTE] you said "where im from" to refer to a massive country of people with massively varying views on gun control legislation and its association with being anti gun lol i guess i shouldn't have given you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you wouldn't refer to anything other than a small community as "where i'm from" when talking about a massively polarized political issue

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38837392]My argument was never that gun control solved every societal problem with crime, but did work in some instances depending on social policy and governmental transparancy, and in concert with general crime reducing measures, like increased domestic welfare NRA asked for donations days after Aurora, claiming rights at stake [URL]http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-08-07/news/33087188_1_nra-supporters-gun-rights-nra-executive-vice-president[/URL] NRA's Response to Virginia Tech Shootings: Stand Your Ground [URL]http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2007/04/nras-response-virginia-tech-shootings-stand-your-ground[/URL] "Buy more guns because the liberals are coming; also what a tragedy. But no seriously buy guns before someone else does and kills you!"[/QUOTE] Just because they did that doesn't mean they didn't care about the victims.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38837407]Just because they did that doesn't mean they didn't care about the victims.[/QUOTE] no but it does mean all their pleas to avoid "politicizing" and "dancing on the graves of the victims" after a shooting event are utter bullshit

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38837405]you said "where im from" to refer to a massive country of people with massively varying views on gun control legislation and its association with being anti gun lol[/QUOTE] Yes, because every time gun control has been enacted or has been talked about, the prohibition of guns has been an integral part of the proposed control. Those who support gun control are therefore against the ownership of these such guns, and therefore "anti-gun."

I voted for Obama because I'm liberal like that (don't hate the gays & not religious at all); the problem is I also own a lot of guns and like to shoot them. Which is why I spent $1K+ on parts today, P-Mags, threaded barrels, flash hiders, hand guards, forward grips, adjustable stocks, multi-position buffer tubes. Pretty much anything that falls under the "assault weapons ban", if they get banned again them I'm sitting on a gold mine and will make my money back triple. If not it's easy to offload parts to local builders and the like. I wish I could have been at the school when this asshole walked in because I would have "neutralized" him like there was no tomorrow.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38837431]Yes, because every time gun control has been enacted or has been talked about, the prohibition of guns has been an integral part of the proposed control. Those who support gun control are therefore against the ownership of these such guns, and therefore "anti-gun."[/QUOTE] sorry but "where i'm from" gun control has almost never been about outright prohibiting guns, the only people bringing up prohibition 99% of the time is gun owners preemptively defending themselves from something that doesn't exist [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837438]I voted for Obama because I'm liberal like that (don't hate the gays & not religious at all); the problem is I also own a lot of guns and like to shoot them. Which is why I spent $1K+ on parts today, P-Mags, threaded barrels, flash hiders, hand guards, forward grips, adjustable stocks, multi-position buffer tubes. Pretty much anything that falls under the "assault weapons ban", if they get banned again them I'm sitting on a gold mine and will make my money back triple. If not it's easy to offload parts to local builders and the like. [B]I wish I could have been at the school when this asshole walked in because I would have "neutralized" him like there was no tomorrow[/B].[/QUOTE] god this is fucking sad

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837438] I wish I could have been at the school when this asshole walked in because I would have "neutralized" him like there was no tomorrow.[/QUOTE] I hate it when people talk like this.

dacommie1 have you really been debating here all day jesus christ

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837438]I voted for Obama because I'm liberal like that (don't hate the gays & not religious at all); the problem is I also own a lot of guns and like to shoot them. Which is why I spent $1K+ on parts today, P-Mags, threaded barrels, flash hiders, hand guards, forward grips, adjustable stocks, multi-position buffer tubes. Pretty much anything that falls under the "assault weapons ban", if they get banned again them I'm sitting on a gold mine and will make my money back triple. If not it's easy to offload parts to local builders and the like. I wish I could have been at the school when this asshole walked in because I would have "neutralized" him like there was no tomorrow.[/QUOTE] please don't pollute the thread with your bloody fantasies

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837438]I voted for Obama because I'm liberal like that (don't hate the gays & not religious at all); the problem is I also own a lot of guns and like to shoot them. Which is why I spent $1K+ on parts today, P-Mags, threaded barrels, flash hiders, hand guards, forward grips, adjustable stocks, multi-position buffer tubes. Pretty much anything that falls under the "assault weapons ban", if they get banned again them I'm sitting on a gold mine and will make my money back triple. If not it's easy to offload parts to local builders and the like. I wish I could have been at the school when this asshole walked in because I would have "neutralized" him like there was no tomorrow.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BrickInHead;38832515]hi there as a resident of the state of connecticut with a close friend who was going to be working in the very school this morning that i would like to inform everyone that thinks that there should be more guns in a school should fuck right off, thanks [B]guns do absolutely nothing to promote security and to hear people all day going "man if i'd been there with my handgun things would've gone differently" no it wouldn't, shut the fuck up.[/B] anyone who is trying to use this shit as a way to defend the proliferation of firearms in this country is a fucking scumbag. rate me dumb, I don't give a shit; you're the one advocating for a tool that is designed to murder things. and when it does it's job really effectively on a little group of children, you think the right answer is to have more murderous weapons. shut up you ridiculously insane sociopaths, your obsession with guns is disgusting and archaic and you need to grow up instead of latching on to every single tragedy and saying that more guns is the answer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38837407]Just because they did that doesn't mean they didn't care about the victims.[/QUOTE] They care about them less than making sure people who don't own guns should get a gun, or people who already own guns should get more.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38837458]I hate it when people talk like this.[/QUOTE] "ehh.. yeah.. if i was there i would have done a backflip, landing smoothly, suavely in a crouched position.. steadying the barrel of my .44 magnum Smith & Wesson heavy barrel revolver against my forearm, i would take aim at the vulnerable yet innocently fleshy space between his ribs and fire.."

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837438]I wish I could have been at the school when this asshole walked in because I would have "neutralized" him like there was no tomorrow.[/QUOTE] absolutely preach brother i like to walk around with my m14 slung low across my torso so if anyone so much as looks at me they know i'm tough and that i wont take no bullsh*t

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;38837495]absolutely preach brother i like to walk around with my m14 slung low across my torso so if anyone so much as looks at me they know i'm tough and that i wont take no bullsh*t[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about walking around open carrying a rifle, that's just asking for trouble. I'm talking about CCW, nearly everyone I know does it.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38837270]Yes, corruption can indeed be blamed for failed gun control. And the thing is that gun control laws DON'T prevent those kinds of domestic violence shootings from happening. We don't live in some sort of ideal world where registering a gun makes it unable to commit a crime, gun control laws don't stop these kinds of crimes, or those kinds of crimes.[/QUOTE] do they affect crimes however? [QUOTE]As to have their been studies... handguns, yes, there have, by Harvard: [url]http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf[/url] Countries in continental Europe that disallow handguns tend to have higher murder rates.[/QUOTE] the source you quoted doesnt seem to make that correlation [QUOTE]As for the 2nd being dumb and it's purpose not existing, the Japanese didn't invade the US in 1941 because of how many guns the US has: "We did indeed know much about your preparedness. We knew that probably every second home in your country contained firearms. We knew that your country actually had state championships for private citizens shooting military rifles. We were not fools to set foot in such quicksand." -- A Japanese Admiral 15 years after VJ day on why Japan didn't invade the US mainland after Pearl Harbor.[/QUOTE] its not like the usa is a massive industrial superpower to say that the 2nd amendment is why japan didnt invade is ignorance of the highest order [QUOTE]And claiming the only reason the 2nd Amendment should be abolished is because it's "antiquated" is a fallacy itself. I was simply applying your flawed logic to showcase how useless and senseless it is.[/QUOTE] no, stop spinning the original argument being made was that "its the second amendment, therefore it stays" thats a bullshit argument i hate [quote]And no, pro gun lobbies are basing their arguments, especially in Canada, on facts and evidence. The problem is the media doesn't care about facts or evidence, they want sensationalist bullshit, and the anti-gun lobby here is brilliant at bullshit.[/QUOTE] the liberal media is out to get you and your guns!!!

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837528]I'm not talking about walking around open carrying a rifle, that's just asking for trouble. I'm talking about CCW, nearly everyone I know does it.[/QUOTE] OH man haha for a second there i thought you were fantasizing about a violent scenario in which you kill another human being because you have delusions of grandeur and a hero complex

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837438]I voted for Obama because I'm liberal like that (don't hate the gays & not religious at all); the problem is I also own a lot of guns and like to shoot them. Which is why I spent $1K+ on parts today, P-Mags, threaded barrels, flash hiders, hand guards, forward grips, adjustable stocks, multi-position buffer tubes. Pretty much anything that falls under the "assault weapons ban", if they get banned again them I'm sitting on a gold mine and will make my money back triple. If not it's easy to offload parts to local builders and the like. I wish I could have been at the school when this asshole walked in because I would have "neutralized" him like there was no tomorrow.[/QUOTE] honestly this is the funniest fucking thing i have read today

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837528]I'm not talking about walking around open carrying a rifle, that's just asking for trouble. I'm talking about CCW, nearly everyone I know does it.[/QUOTE] No dude you would have gotten shot in the face. Heroes die, don't try to be one.

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837528]I'm not talking about walking around open carrying a rifle, that's just asking for trouble. I'm talking about CCW, nearly everyone I know does it.[/QUOTE] wow i bet you get all the girls too you lean on the wall in your 4th grade class, adjusting your belt buckle with stalk of wheat in yo mouth you adjust your hat and wink a little and say in a deep southern accent "i won't take no shit from any god damned liberals or pussies" before shooting your shitty old russian gun at the wall before a small crowd of women beg for your cock around your feet

[QUOTE=UntouchedShadow;38837554]No dude you would have gotten shot in the face. Heroes die, don't try to be one.[/QUOTE] Oh I know the responsibilities that come with CCW, you instantly become a target. I only CCW when I'm not drinking and then I'm going out of my home area. Let's face it Atlanta is ghetto and you're likely to become a target just for not being drunk.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38837539]do they affect crimes however? the source you quoted doesnt seem to make that correlation its not like the usa is a massive industrial superpower to say that the 2nd amendment is why japan didnt invade is ignorance of the highest order no, stop spinning the original argument being made was that "its the second amendment, therefore it stays" thats a bullshit argument i hate the liberal media is out to get you and your guns!!![/QUOTE] As to the first, no, they don't affect crimes. As to the second, "This, however, does not suppress the crime, for banning guns cannot alleviate the socio‐cultural and economic factors that are the real determinants of violence and crime rates." Page 16/46 And your argument that it's old and therefore irrelevant is another bullshit argument that I hate, but hating it doesn't mean anything.

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837438]I voted for Obama because I'm liberal like that (don't hate the gays & not religious at all); the problem is I also own a lot of guns and like to shoot them. Which is why I spent $1K+ on parts today, P-Mags, threaded barrels, flash hiders, hand guards, forward grips, adjustable stocks, multi-position buffer tubes. Pretty much anything that falls under the "assault weapons ban", if they get banned again them I'm sitting on a gold mine and will make my money back triple. If not it's easy to offload parts to local builders and the like. I wish I could have been at the school when this asshole walked in because I would have "neutralized" him like there was no tomorrow.[/QUOTE] I'm all for owning guns and all, but this is literally the most retarded shit that I have seen. You are what makes gun owner's arguments seem weak. That aside, it is a shame what happened to the people in this school.

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837528]I'm not talking about walking around open carrying a rifle, that's just asking for trouble. I'm talking about CCW, nearly everyone I know does it.[/QUOTE] please stop juggling the fact that you have sociopathic tenancies that you were overly open with in the thread

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837587]Oh I know the responsibilities that come with CCW, you instantly become a target.[/QUOTE] doesnt that defeat the purpose???

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38837541]OH man haha for a second there i thought you were fantasizing about a violent scenario in which you kill another human being because you have delusions of grandeur and a hero complex[/QUOTE] I mean this may be foreign to you but I keep a loaded shotgun next to my bed at all times in case my house is broken into while I'm there. I've made certain that my roommates know where the shotgun is and how to operate it in case I'm not there. I'm sure it sounds crazy but it make sense in my area.