DEVELOPING: Shooting reported at Connecticut elementary school; 27 killed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38837567]wow i bet you get all the girls too you lean on the wall in your 4th grade class, adjusting your belt buckle with stalk of wheat in yo mouth you adjust your hat and wink a little and say in a deep southern accent "i won't take no shit from any god damned liberals or pussies" before shooting your shitty old russian gun at the wall before a small crowd of women beg for your cock around your feet[/QUOTE] Seriously what is with you people? His comment might have had a lot of bravado (obvious why). But he's not stating that he's a badass or a hero. If you have a gun for self-defense, it is very clear that you intend to use it to defend yourself or others. If it was somehow humanly impossible as you all state, than it simply wouldn't exist. If you were trained in self-defense with a weapon, and you saw this man shooting children, would you not, risk yourself and your life to save them? I know I would, if I had a gun. Not because I think it's heroic or easy, not because it's a video game or awesume, but because there is human life to protect, and it's that simple. We just had a national tragedy and the last thing we need is pathetic petty fighting about a bravado comment.

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837610]I mean this may be foreign to you but I keep a loaded shotgun next to my bed at all times in case my house is broken into while I'm there. I've made certain that my roommates know where the shotgun is and how to operate it in case I'm not there. I'm sure it sounds crazy but it make sense in my area.[/QUOTE] Even I'm not this stupid. Ok, keeping a LOADED GUN next to you seems like something only a madman would do. I live near the ghetto of my town and I don't even do that. The most I ever do is carry a couple knives on me and even then they are not exactly readily accessible.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;38837602]please stop juggling the fact that you have sociopathic tenancies that you were overly open with in the thread[/QUOTE] Are soldiers sociopaths, are cops sociopaths? If you carry a weapon for self-defense and you were there, would you not defend yourself and those children?

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38837598]And your argument that it's old and therefore irrelevant[/QUOTE] That's not the argument. The argument I made was this: "You can't fall back to the 2nd amendment as an argument as to why gun control should not be considered as a policy" People who say "it's my constitutional right" aren't looking at the fucking merits of the law if the law doesn't do what it's intended to do, then why have it? [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=doommarine23;38837621]Are soldiers sociopaths, are cops sociopaths? If you carry a weapon for self-defense and you were there, would you not defend yourself and those children?[/QUOTE] he said he wanted to kill him soldiers and cops generally go into their work not seeking to kill

[QUOTE=Fish_poke;38837617]Even I'm not this stupid. Ok, keeping a LOADED GUN next to you seems like something only a madman would do. I live near the ghetto of my town and I don't even do that. The most I ever do is carry a couple knives on me and even then they are not exactly readily accessible.[/QUOTE] See I think I'm sane for keeping it "next to" my bed, I know people who sleep with a loaded pistol under their pillow.

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837610]I mean this may be foreign to you but I keep a loaded shotgun next to my bed at all times in case my house is broken into while I'm there. I've made certain that my roommates know where the shotgun is and how to operate it in case I'm not there. I'm sure it sounds crazy but it make sense in my area.[/QUOTE] no that sounds fairly reasonable (apart from how moronic it is to keep a loaded gun sitting about in the house with no safe), wanting to defend your home. it becomes unreasonable when you start talking proudly about a hypothetical situation in which you kill another person. like yeah i would pull the trigger and shoot someone who was about to shoot me, to save my life. what i wouldn't do is bring it up in casual conversation and act proud about the fact that i would kill another person without remorse [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=doommarine23;38837621]Are soldiers sociopaths, are cops sociopaths?[/QUOTE] not all of them but uh.. you do tend to attract a fair amount of sociopaths when your job involves killing people

[QUOTE=doommarine23;38837615]If you were trained in self-defense with a weapon, and you saw this man shooting children, would you not, risk yourself and your life to save them?[/QUOTE] he wanted to kill the guy

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38837624] he said he wanted to kill him soldiers and cops generally go into their work not seeking to kill[/QUOTE] Is that not a normal human reaction to this sort of stimuli? Plenty of people, everywhere I look, wish this man burns in hell or that he suffered. Many people get lost in anger and rage. It's obviously an emotional reaction it.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;38837621]Are soldiers sociopaths, are cops sociopaths? If you carry a weapon for self-defense and you were there, would you not defend yourself and those children?[/QUOTE] Well duh. I imagine that, given the chance, they would put a stop to the threat. Generally speaking, a gun is the easiest form to do so. Does not necessarily mean that you have to kill the guy though. A well aimed shot to the leg or a shot in the arm carrying the gun, or a general body shot if you can avoid vital organs. However, a random civilian acting the hero and killing the guy does have sociopathic ideology behind it.

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837633]See I think I'm sane for keeping it "next to" my bed, I know people who sleep with a loaded pistol under their pillow.[/QUOTE] this doesn't make what you're doing any less stupid

[QUOTE=Fish_poke;38837617]Even I'm not this stupid. Ok, keeping a LOADED GUN next to you seems like something only a madman would do. I live near the ghetto of my town and I don't even do that. The most I ever do is carry a couple knives on me and even then they are not exactly readily accessible.[/QUOTE] How is it crazy? Someone bust into your house, you grab your gun and either kill them or scare them off. Break ins are more common then you think. Thats the whole purpose of having his gun readily accesible in the first place. im sure he locks it up when he leaves ect

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38837640]he wanted to kill the guy[/QUOTE] As your comment is the exact same as what I commented on, read above.

[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;38837650]How is it crazy? Someone bust into your house, you grab your gun and either kill them or scare them off. Break ins are more common then you think.[/QUOTE] there's a reason children die everyday from self inflicted gunshot wounds

[QUOTE=Fish_poke;38837648]Well duh. I imagine that, given the chance, they would put a stop to the threat. Generally speaking, a gun is the easiest form to do so. Does not necessarily mean that you have to kill the guy though. A well aimed shot to the leg or a shot in the arm carrying the gun, or a general body shot if you can avoid vital organs. However, a random civilian acting the hero and killing the guy does have sociopathic ideology behind it.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't a civilian acting [I]hero[/I] kind of imply they wish to stop the person that is killing others, and not really of a sociopathic tendency? You even just said given the chance many would stop it.

[QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837633]See I think I'm sane for keeping it "next to" my bed, I know people who sleep with a loaded pistol under their pillow.[/QUOTE] I'd like to point out that keeping a loaded weapon near you at ALL while you're sleeping or in bed is a bad idea. What if you jump the gun (quite literally) and injure someone you know unknowingly? Point is, you should make sure of your intent and of the situation before pulling something as crass as loading a gun.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;38837646]Is that not a normal human reaction to this sort of stimuli? Plenty of people, everywhere I look, wish this man burns in hell or that he suffered. Many people get lost in anger and rage. It's obviously an emotional reaction it.[/QUOTE] except he is a sociopath he doesnt want the gunman to stop or be injured or disarmed or anything else, he wants to "neutralise" him

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38837635] not all of them but uh.. you do tend to attract a fair amount of sociopaths when your job involves killing people[/QUOTE] And plenty of them aren't, because they are doing their job or what they think is right in a situation. A Civilian using his trained with weapon to defend himself and others is the same as a soldier or cop doing it.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;38837660]Wouldn't a civilian acting [I]hero[/I] kind of imply they wish to stop the person that is killing others, and not really of a sociopathic tendency? You even just said given the chance many would stop it.[/QUOTE] True. I suppose I mean someone who doesn't know what they are doing and has a gun for the sake of having a gun.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38837624]That's not the argument. The argument I made was this: "You can't fall back to the 2nd amendment as an argument as to why gun control should not be considered as a policy" People who say "it's my constitutional right" aren't looking at the fucking merits of the law if the law doesn't do what it's intended to do, then why have it? [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] he said he wanted to kill him soldiers and cops generally go into their work not seeking to kill[/QUOTE] Indeed, and gun control laws in Canada don't do what they're intended to do, keep guns out of the hands of criminals, so why have them? As for how the 2nd Amendment has worked as a deterrent we'll never quite know that, but you can't assert with an absolute certainty that it's still irrelevant now.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38837675]except he is a sociopath he doesnt want the gunman to stop or be injured or disarmed or anything else, he wants to "neutralise" him[/QUOTE] Possibly because he no longer views the gunman as human, MANY people do this. You do something monstrous and people see you as a monster. Go ask someone what they think of Hitler (yes Godwin, but perfect example). [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Fish_poke;38837680]True. I suppose I mean someone who doesn't know what they are doing and has a gun for the sake of having a gun.[/QUOTE] Sure, but I don't know why you'd have a gun for the sake of having a gun.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;38837615] We just had a national tragedy and the last thing we need is pathetic petty fighting about a bravado comment.[/QUOTE] Wait, I thought the last thing we need is gun control debates? Surely that's more important that arguments over someones silly fantasy? All these posts from people that don't have Moderator as part of their title telling me what I should and should not be posting are getting awfully confusing.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;38837686]Possibly because he no longer views the gunman as human, MANY people do this. You do something monstrous and people see you as a monster. Go ask someone what they think of Hitler (yes Godwin, but perfect example). [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] Sure, but I don't know why you'd have a gun for the sake of having a gun.[/QUOTE] People who want to feel superior just for having it, I suppose. I actually know someone like that.

Besides, why are we even arguing among ourselves, it's a waste and disrespect to those lost. [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;38837690]Wait, I thought the last thing we need is gun control debates? Surely that's more important that arguments over someones silly fantasy? All these posts from people that don't have Moderator as part of their title telling me what I should and should not be posting are getting awfully confusing.[/QUOTE] My post isn't even about forum rules nor posting, it's about us as people. We should conduct ourselves better than to insult each-other for comments during a tragedy. [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Fish_poke;38837693]People who want to feel superior just for having it, I suppose. I actually know someone like that.[/QUOTE] Sounds like a sign of mental disorder or something, honestly.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;38837694]Besides, why are we even arguing among ourselves, it's a waste and disrespect to those lost.[/QUOTE] Yeah, pretty much this. I really don't want to argue, but I do want to point out that some people always come in to these threads and politicize it. I honestly think it should be against the rules to do such a thing when it comes to a national tragedy, at least in SH.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38837635]no that sounds fairly reasonable (apart from how moronic it is to keep a loaded gun sitting about in the house with no safe), wanting to defend your home. it becomes unreasonable when you start talking proudly about a hypothetical situation in which you kill another person. like yeah i would pull the trigger and shoot someone who was about to shoot me, to save my life. what i wouldn't do is bring it up in casual conversation and act proud about the fact that i would kill another person without remorse [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] not all of them but uh..[/QUOTE] I'm not proud that I have to keep it readily available, and please note that I don't keep one in the chamber so one has to at least rack it and make the typical loud shotgun racking noise which is usually enough to scare off ruffians. I view it this way, I have a safe region which is my home and I expect that region to stay safe as it is my home. If someone violates my safe region it is no longer safe and I must take extreme precautions to ensure that it is safe again. I must assume that whoever has violated my "safe region" does not have my best interests at heart.

Damn this incident is crazy and its only now I read the entire update feed. Sad thing is guns would get a worse rep now. Why does this happen [QUOTE=DevinWatson;38837708]I'm not proud that I have to keep it readily available, and please note that I don't keep one in the chamber so one has to at least rack it and make the typical loud shotgun racking noise which is usually enough to scare off ruffians. I view it this way, I have a safe region which is my home and I expect that region to stay safe as it is my home. If someone violates my safe region it is no longer safe and I must take extreme precautions to ensure that it is safe again. I must assume that whoever has violated my "safe region" does not have my best interests at heart.[/QUOTE] This guy isn't really that different if you look at it from a different perspective. I grew up in a third world country where having a loaded gun everywhere you go is as commonplace as your kitchen faucet. You kinda just grow up with it

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;38837715]Damn this incident is crazy and its only now I read the entire update feed. Sad thing is guns would get a worse rep now. Why does this happen[/QUOTE] I think the thing sadder than guns is how Bioware is being treated. An innocent company is completely being slammed because the shooter's, [I]innocent[/I] brother "liked" Mass Effect on Facebook. Nevermind that the shooter is 20-24 years old. Bioware is not responsible for his actions.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38837624]That's not the argument. The argument I made was this: "You can't fall back to the 2nd amendment as an argument as to why gun control should not be considered as a policy" People who say "it's my constitutional right" aren't looking at the fucking merits of the law if the law doesn't do what it's intended to do, then why have it?[/QUOTE] Except that the 2nd amendment isn't just something in the constitution. It has been held up in the supreme court so there is precedence that support it as a policy.

If America was like Canada were you can only own hunting rifles and pistols less horrfic shooting incidents like these would not happen, Police officers and security guards can still use them though to combat these sick ****s.

[QUOTE=Valnar;38837745]Except that the 2nd amendment isn't just something in the constitution. It has been held up in the supreme court so there is precedence that support it as a policy.[/QUOTE] Except the original purpose of it is no longer applicable. The USA has a competent and powerful military force, it need not rely on its citizens (relying on your citizens for defense is a pretty shit idea).