• Man avoids jail even after pleading guilty to possessing child and animal porn - including sex with
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[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;38115052]But a gig of porn [I]is[/I] massive.[/QUOTE] Well then what is 13.4 GB?
[QUOTE=Paramud;38115070]Being put on the Sex Offender's list essentially ruins your life, though, which makes it a fucking stupid punishment in the cases where someone genuinely accidentally downloaded child porn, especially when they're cached images.[/QUOTE] See. [QUOTE=Van-man;38112347]In theory, but that'd one of the cases where common sense should apply. Though there's been a handful of times where it didn't, even though it should.[/QUOTE] Tia.
[QUOTE=Paramud;38115070]Being put on the Sex Offender's list essentially ruins your life, though, which makes it a fucking stupid punishment in the cases where someone genuinely accidentally downloaded child porn, especially when they're cached images.[/QUOTE] The police hardly care about people who accidentally download/view one or two videos/images, they go after the people that habitually download the stuff.
[QUOTE=kaze4159;38109237]I can understand how you'd fuck an octopus, but... [IMG]http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/octopus-2.jpg[/IMG] Why, it'd be like fucking a mousetrap[/QUOTE] Oh god why... [I][B]GOOD GOD THE MENTAL IMAGES [/B][/I]:suicide:
[QUOTE=Aspen;38114651]who the hell looks at this and goes 'wow baby youre getting me so hot right now' [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bGM3srfaPkQ/T_c0EpnxrcI/AAAAAAAAAns/1Zbg69NK0Q8/s1600/octopus1.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] It's head looks like a nutsack
[QUOTE=Van-man;38111068]Possessing child porn makes you a sex offender plain & simple.[/QUOTE] But why? He hasn't actually hurt anybody, he's just had stuff.
[QUOTE=Jookia;38116339]But why? He hasn't actually hurt anybody, he's just had stuff.[/QUOTE] Demand side economics
[QUOTE=Ridge;38116424]Demand side economics[/QUOTE] So you get on the sex offender list for creating demand for bad porn?
[QUOTE=Jookia;38116526]So you get on the sex offender list for creating demand for bad porn?[/QUOTE] Now you're thinking with your dipstick. Next you'll tell me some guy who buys obviously stolen goods is innocent in creating a demand for burglars and thieves.
[QUOTE=Van-man;38116580]Now you're thinking with your dipstick. Next you'll tell me some guy who buys obviously stolen goods is innocent in creating a demand for burglars and thieves.[/QUOTE] But is there not a difference between buying things directly from someone who causes the crime and simply getting something somewhere where the original creator might not even know about it? There's paying someone for child porn and there's finding it on the internet, how does for example downloading a million images drive the production if it is downloaded for example from 4chan? The creators of it won't have any increased incentive to make more will they? They won't even know that the download ever happened. Or do they really care that some anonymous people out there like them for it? Wouldn't it be easier to just make some random YouTube videos if that was really their motive?
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38109190]why is octopus any more unusual than a goat or a horse?[/QUOTE] Because most people know where the reproductive organs on a goat or horse are. I have no idea where you would stick it in an octopus Unless you stick the octopus in YOU
[QUOTE=prooboo;38116776]Because most people know where the reproductive organs on a goat or horse are. I have no idea where you would stick it in an octopus Unless you stick the octopus in YOU[/QUOTE] I've seen video of that. I will never get those images from my mind as long as I live. :suicide:
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;38116730]But is there not a difference between buying things directly from someone who causes the crime and simply getting something somewhere where the original creator might not even know about it? There's paying someone for child porn and there's finding it on the internet, how does for example downloading a million images drive the production if it is downloaded for example from 4chan? The creators of it won't have any increased incentive to make more will they? They won't even know that the download ever happened. Or do they really care that some anonymous people out there like them for it? Wouldn't it be easier to just make some random YouTube videos if that was really their motive?[/QUOTE] I have [b]never[/b] seen a good argument for how someone downloading a picture or a video of child porn actually creates a demand for it. You could say that watching a video of a murder creates the exact same demand since someone has to be killed in order for the video to be made, but no one gets in any sort of legal trouble for downloading, or even uploading, the videos. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/UA_Flight_175_hits_WTC_south_tower_9-11_edit.jpeg/552px-UA_Flight_175_hits_WTC_south_tower_9-11_edit.jpeg[/img] Oh no, we're now all creating a demand for mass murder and terrorism.
[QUOTE=Paramud;38117118]I have [b]never[/b] seen a good argument for how someone downloading a picture or a video of child porn actually creates a demand for it. You could say that watching a video of a murder creates the exact same demand since someone has to be killed in order for the video to be made, but no one gets in any sort of legal trouble for downloading, or even uploading, the videos. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/UA_Flight_175_hits_WTC_south_tower_9-11_edit.jpeg/552px-UA_Flight_175_hits_WTC_south_tower_9-11_edit.jpeg[/img] Oh no, we're now all creating a demand for mass murder and terrorism.[/QUOTE] You can easily recreate explosions, destruction and dismemberment. Now explain to me how one can recreate sex with children without using children or entering uncanny valley?
[QUOTE=Van-man;38117209]You can easily recreate explosions, destruction and dismemberment. Now explain to me how one can recreate sex with children without using children or entering uncanny valley?[/QUOTE] I really don't understand what your point is supposed to be.
[QUOTE=Paramud;38117225]I really don't understand what your point is supposed to be.[/QUOTE] Well then you're missing the point of this thread's current discussion. Also those video's of terror actions aren't used as some sort of sexual gratification (well not on the same scale as child porn) and their real reason for the spreading is the age of information, where everyone can easily gather information about events all around the world. So please explain to me how events that are (sadly) going into the metaphorical history books have something in common with smutty & illegal recordings & pictures some creepy people use for sexual gratification?
[QUOTE=Van-man;38117209]You can easily recreate explosions, destruction and [b]dismemberment[/b]. Now explain to me how one can recreate sex with children without using children or [b]entering uncanny valley[/b]?[/QUOTE] What. Also what's your point?
[QUOTE=Van-man;38117254]Well then you're missing the point of this thread's current discussion.[/QUOTE] I think you're missing the point, actually. Recreating images of crime has absolutely no relevance to literally anything in the thread. Perhaps my example wasn't good enough for you. The pictures of Jack the Ripper's murders (which are so horrifying that I'm not going to link them, but you can find them for yourself,) are completely legal to have. No one will give you any problem for having them on your computer. You can have thousands of images like them, and the police won't touch you. People might recommend therapy, but you'll receive [b]absolutely[/b] no legal ramifications for owning pictures of the most horrible acts a person can imagine. [editline]oh hamburgers[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;38117254]Also those video's of terror actions aren't used as some sort of sexual gratification (well not on the same scale as child porn) and their real reason for the spreading is the age of information, where everyone can easily gather information about events all around the world. So please explain to me how events that are (sadly) going into the metaphorical history books have something in common with smutty & illegal recordings & pictures some creepy people use for sexual gratification?[/QUOTE] Not the argument I was responding to. I was pointing out that simply having an image on your hard drive does [i]not[/i] create a demand for it.
[QUOTE=Paramud;38117339]I think you're missing the point, actually. Recreating images of crime has absolutely no relevance to literally anything in the thread. Perhaps my example wasn't good enough for you. The pictures of Jack the Ripper's murders (which are so horrifying that I'm not going to link them, but you can find them for yourself,) are completely legal to have. No one will give you any problem for having them on your computer. You can have thousands of images like them, and the police won't touch you. People might recommend therapy, but you'll receive [b]absolutely[/b] no legal ramifications for owning pictures of the most horrible acts a person can imagine.[/QUOTE] Well that's because the victims aren't suffering anymore since they're, well yeah, dead. While molested child's are scarred through the rest of their lives and often commit suicide. One is ending a persons life, the other often indirectly does the same. One is for freaking people out or for psychopaths, the other for people who gets off to children. murder =/= child porn. [QUOTE=Paramud;38117339]Not the argument I was responding to. I was pointing out that simply having an image on your hard drive does [i]not[/i] create a demand for it.[/QUOTE] So it just magically appeared there out of the blue & thin air?
[QUOTE=mysteryman;38109184]I'm actually REALLY curious about the octopus video. Just because "what".[/QUOTE] Tentacle rape
[QUOTE=Van-man;38117404]Well that's because the victims aren't suffering anymore since they're, well yeah, dead. While molested child's are scarred through the rest of their lives and often commit suicide. One is ending a persons life, the other often indirectly does the same. One is for freaking people out or for psychopaths, the other for people who gets off to children. murder =/= child porn.[/quote] Alright, let me throw a hypothetical at you. What if the child was also murdered? Would it then be alright with you? Because that's what you're saying. [quote]So it just magically appeared there out of the blue & thin air?[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but are you actually trying to fucking say that child porn is some sort of time traveling paradox, where effect comes before cause?
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38109432]Wasn't there a guy who got arrested because he had accidentally downloaded CP from Limewire or some such?[/QUOTE] There was a guy that was barred from being alone with his own daughter because he stumbled on some child porn and immediately reported it to the police. The child porn laws are awful, but no wants to stand up to them for fear of being labeled a paedophile. source: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-17274848[/url]
[QUOTE=Van-man;38117209]You can easily recreate explosions, destruction and dismemberment. Now explain to me how one can recreate sex with children without using children or entering uncanny valley?[/QUOTE] You didn't answer my question? Anyways, I can come up with a better counter-argument than yours. The thing about 9/11 is that the person who shot the film wasn't the same person that caused the event. This means that downloading or even paying for the "product" won't give any incentive for the person that actually caused the event to happen. Payment might encourage the guy with the camera to film more stuff, but it wouldn't encourage more events. However, take a video like 3 guys 1 hammer. This was a snuff video, which is similar to child porn in that it is people who commit a crime in order to film it and distribute it, possibly for money. I'm pretty sure that if you were caught paying the Dnepropetrovsk maniacs, then you would be considered a criminal as well; an accomplice of sorts. However, downloading the video or watching it online does not in any way further any kind of demand for more. I contend that it works the same way for child porn. The thing is that these people are really going to keep doing this stuff, "consumers" really have no effect on those who create it. If they were really driven by a demand, they would be filling up another demand such as creating a silly Let's Play series on YouTube. Literally anything would be more positively received and would be much less dangerous. I think these people have two incentives: 1; fulfilling their own desires, and 2; earning money. They don't get up in the morning to check the download count and number of likes on their newly uploaded child porn video and think [I]"Yay! They like me now! Better make another one quick!"[/I]
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;38109525]"Whoops I accidentally downloaded 80+ images of CP" How does anyone buy that. Did he have sex with the judge or something?[/QUOTE] They might have been people that he thought were of age (17 or something), or they might have been cached images.
[QUOTE=GetBent;38115094]Well then what is 13.4 GB?[/QUOTE] Or 1 and a half terabytes of it?
[QUOTE='[EG] Pepper;38119582']Or 1 and a half terabytes of it?[/QUOTE] A museum
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