The Pope is preaching 'pure marxism', he's "dramatically, embarrassingly, puzzlingly wrong" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43053278]one thing to keep in mind is that most christian americans aren't catholic, and most non-catholic sects have little regard for the pope. he's not the 'voice of god' to everyone[/QUOTE] Which, ironically enough, originally comes from the fact that Protestants despised the pope and his crew for forgetting their duties and essentially swimming in bling.

Vatican should auction some of that swag off and use the money to develop Africa.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43053278]one thing to keep in mind is that most christian americans aren't catholic, and most non-catholic sects have little regard for the pope. he's not the 'voice of god' to everyone[/QUOTE] up until recently christianity was pretty divided. protestants HATED catholics(and vice versa) and mormons were sorta universally hated. the specific sect of christianity you subscribed to actually meant a lot in politics. i heard that a rise in atheism and secularism drove the different christian denominations to sorta back each other politically and socially, creating a more united "christian political culture". idk if it's true, but the fact that a mormon was chosen to run for the more conservative, religious party in the united states shows that christians are sorta melding together. oh and btw most catholic americans aren't even catholic. they are hardly associated with the catholic church, ideologically. american catholics hardly listen to the pope. "Thus we have what I call AmChurch: the American Catholic church which is happily and blissfully blended with everything wonderful about America. Except that the “wonderful” values of most Americans are unapologetically materialistic, hedonistic and self centered. Thus at least 50% of American Catholics live like their American neighbors–going to the mall, getting as much stuff as possible, giving as little as possible, having a neat and tidy two children and a double income, and basically smiling their way to success like everyone else." [url]http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2013/04/whats-killing-american-catholicism-1.html[/url]

[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;43052593]Criticizes capitalism, must be marxist.[/QUOTE] Capitalism wouldn't be the correct word. The Pope doesnt criticize Capitalism, rather, he Criticizes irregulated markets/free markets where humans tend to become just "another object"

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;43053561]Capitalism wouldn't be the correct word. The Pope doesnt criticize Capitalism, rather, he Criticizes irregulated markets/free markets where humans tend to become just "another object"[/QUOTE] he's criticizing "capitalism as it is now", not capitalism as an idea of private ownership in an economy.

The first Protestants (Martin Luther, Calvin, etc.) actively called the Pope the Antichrist and modern protestants have literally 0 religious regard for the pope beyond being another political leader in the world. Also, as a note, the early protestant church believed that many antichrists exist beyond the one spoken about in Revelation. ""We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." - Martin Luther ""Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt... I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy." - John Calvin

thankfully we're all bigger (mentally) and better than rush limbaugh, and won't fall into his trap of hatred.

Didn't jesus strongly oppose greed?

This Pope is actually someone who can do something good. First guy in a while who does what his "job" is. Decide. Everyone else has just done what the rest wants him to say/do. This guy says what he means, shows people he is serious, it's not just words. He wants change, he wants better. But... There won't be any changes. People are scared of changes, and especially rich and powerul people. At least this guy is trying.

Rush Limbaugh Doesn't like when [I]"job creators"[/I] are called greedy & self-centered hypocrites. Which doesn't surprise the civilized world at all.

[QUOTE=Vasili;43051817]While the Church owns golden altars, symbols and priceless locked away artifacts then I will always see their words hollow.[/QUOTE] What are they supposed to do with all that stuff then? Pawn it so that the money can be distributed? I can see where you are coming from but historical artifacts can't be just given away, especially if they are of such cultural significance.

Don't you fucking dare talk shit about Pope Francis, he's awesome

[QUOTE=sgman91;43053949]The first Protestants (Martin Luther, Calvin, etc.) actively called the Pope the Antichrist and modern protestants have literally 0 religious regard for the pope beyond being another political leader in the world. Also, as a note, the early protestant church believed that many antichrists exist beyond the one spoken about in Revelation. ""We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." - Martin Luther ""Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt... I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy." - John Calvin[/QUOTE] To be fair, John Calvin was a bit of an ass who considered every other man in the world to be the antichrist.

I'm loving this new pope. This is how the church should be and it just shows how far off track it has become that a paper stating that it needs to be changed to be more humble is considered Marxism.

ok, I just read the CNN blog and it's clear to me, they didn't read everything. here's a part they missed [quote=Rush Limbaugh] I am receiving e-mails from people who are telling me that the pope, his economic writing, has been mistranslated. Now, my first reaction was, "Come on, this document is too big and massive for it to be mistranslated." But then I caught myself, and this is exactly what the left does. If they had a chance to take somebody as influential and revered and beloved as the pope and put their words in his mouth, they would do it in a minute. So now I'm gonna have to track this down, because I have to tell you, what has been attributed to the pope here doesn't make sense, with 50 years of the Catholic Church. It doesn't jibe. But it sounds exactly like what your average, run-of-the-mill leftist would say each and every day: unfettered capitalism, trickle-down doesn't work. I don't know this pope, but I don't know that the bishop of Rome speaks in terms of trickle-down. One of the things they're saying is that the pope didn't say "trickle-down," that the correct translation would be "spillover." He didn't say "trickle-down." So there are people that are telling me, "Hey, Rush, the pope was mistranslated," and my first reaction, "Come on, now." But then I had to catch myself. They are -- by "they," I mean the worldwide left -- they are entirely capable of this, and they wouldn't hesitate to do it, if they thought they could get away with it. Hell, they wouldn't hesitate to do it even if they do get caught doing it because they know that the original phony translation they put out will be the one that survives. The truth takes a long time to catch up when the lie gets out of the gates first. So I can't sit here and summarily reject the claim that the pope has been mistranslated. I know it sounds inconceivable. (interruption) The pope? He said something about homosexuals and later they said he was mistranslated? His original statement, he appeared to condone homosexuality, and then somebody said he was mistranslated. Well, there seems to be a pattern here, then, of the pope being mistranslated. [/quote] [url]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/11/27/it_s_sad_how_wrong_pope_francis_is_unless_it_s_a_deliberate_mistranslation_by_leftists[/url]

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43051498]This is coming from Rush Limbaugh, who cares the same guy who brought you "feminazi", who said michael j. fox was faking parkinson's, who fear-mongered about the flu vaccine, etc[/QUOTE] Don't forget defending the tobacco industry in the 80's and 90's.

[QUOTE=sgman91;43053949]The first Protestants (Martin Luther, Calvin, etc.) actively called the Pope the Antichrist and modern protestants have literally 0 religious regard for the pope beyond being another political leader in the world. Also, as a note, the early protestant church believed that many antichrists exist beyond the one spoken about in Revelation. ""We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." - Martin Luther ""Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt... I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy." - John Calvin[/QUOTE] To clarify, they despise the position of Pope. What they think of the Pope himself depends on the individual. The main complaint that I heard was that they consider the idea that a man can act as the voice of God and be infallible inherently wrong. The Pope is a man, and men are flawed. [editline]3rd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Glaber;43056113]ok, I just read the CNN blog and it's clear to me, they didn't read everything. here's a part they missed [url]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/11/27/it_s_sad_how_wrong_pope_francis_is_unless_it_s_a_deliberate_mistranslation_by_leftists[/url][/QUOTE] What a well-thought-out and beautifully formulated argument.

Oh yeah "Trickle-down is [I]human nature[/I]" What a great argument. Shit fuck all the social and welfare programs, cut them. The wealth will trickle the fuck down.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43051820]Oh, whatever. To Limbaugh and his Ayn Rand-worshiping asshole followers, anything other than spitting on the poor and disadvantaged is Marxism. The rest of the world doesn't give two shits what he thinks.[/QUOTE] they're even doing the whole ayn rand thing wrong because i'm pretty sure that she didn't support the whole "making dosh from others' misery" idea at least that's what i gathered from reading her stuff

Yeah she just pretended that "making dosh from others' misery" didn't happen.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;43057470]Yeah she just pretended that "making dosh from others' misery" didn't happen.[/QUOTE] well escaping from the soviet union i can see why she'd consider america perfect, but yeah the world she wanted isn't exactly there, and is about as realistic as communism.

I guess that would have coloured her views on America. What kind of communism? Afaik the Soviet Union was a socio-capitalist dictatorship

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;43057786]I guess that would have coloured her views on America. What kind of communism? Afaik the Soviet Union was a socio-capitalist dictatorship[/QUOTE] The perfect kind, the one with no governments, money, etc.

I'd pay serious money to see a Pope Francis/Rush Limbaugh presidential-style debate. ...either that, or a grudge match in Madison Square Garden.

[QUOTE=Ezhik;43057852]The perfect kind, the one with no governments, money, etc.[/QUOTE] So worker's self-management and [URL="http://punkerslut.com/articles/delegation_not_representation.html"]delegation not representation[/URL] is impossible and top-down hierarchy with limited democratic representation is the only way to successfully organise a people?

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;43058208]So worker's self-management and [URL="http://punkerslut.com/articles/delegation_not_representation.html"]delegation not representation[/URL] is impossible and top-down hierarchy with limited democratic representation is the only way to successfully organise a people?[/QUOTE] Well I'm pretty sure that existing without a government is impossible. In the end somebody will come ahead and end up with power.

I'm Conservative and I do not listen to the BS Rush spews most of the time. Pope Francis is fucking Jesus incarnate.

Pretty sure that by disagreeing with the pope conservatives have admitted that they are, in fact, in league with satan and should be burned at the stake

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43058806]Pretty sure that by disagreeing with the pope conservatives have admitted that they are, in fact, in league with satan and should be burned at the stake[/QUOTE] Deus Vult!

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;43057786]Afaik the Soviet Union was a socio-capitalist dictatorship[/QUOTE] It was more like the earlier Muscovite state it replaced. There was really no capitalism in Russia before the revolution (only in its crudest or weakest form, such as the manufacturers who held monopolies or the peasantry who sold vegetables and small craftworks), and afterwards there really wasn't much of what people would identify as an established market economy from about 1930 onwards. The Soviet state pretty much directed all economic activity, if with greater oversight and incompetence than the one it replaced.