The Pope is preaching 'pure marxism', he's "dramatically, embarrassingly, puzzlingly wrong" - Polidicks

kinda funny, you would think he would be a christian bible-thumper, if he's not catholic why does he care? its not his religion

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43058931]It was more like the earlier Muscovite state it replaced. There was really no capitalism in Russia before the revolution (only in its crudest or weakest form, such as the manufacturers who held monopolies or the peasantry who sold vegetables and small craftworks), and afterwards there really wasn't much of what people would identify as an established market economy from about 1930 onwards. The Soviet state pretty much directed all economic activity, if with greater oversight and incompetence than the one it replaced.[/QUOTE] that's why it's called "state capitalism". capitalism, in practice, is a system of decentralized top-down economics. it's "neo-feudalism". in the ussr, the state took the place of the bourgeois class. the system was centralized top-down economics. most socialists believe in some form of horizontal economic organization, whether it's centralized under a state(syndicalists, participists, marxists) or decentralized under voluntary councils/committees/syndicates/federations(anarchism), or something in the middle.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;43051557]Rush you dummy the Church hates Marxism because it threatens their authority[/QUOTE] Or they hate it because, y'know, any decent person knows it's horrible? Or maybe because the Church has faced severe persecution under Marxist governments, and [I]thousands[/I] of believers have been executed because of it? Nah, it must be just because religion=easy way to control people, right guys?

Slayer what I said is the fundamental reason the Church doesn't like Marxism. I don't think the Church could really give a toss what political system was in place as long as it could continue to exist, which would be unlikely under a system derived from Marxism.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;43061633]Slayer what I said is the fundamental reason the Church doesn't like Marxism. I don't think the Church could really give a toss what political system was in place as long as it could continue to exist, which would be unlikely under a system derived from Marxism.[/QUOTE] The Church cares a fair deal more than you give it credit for, especially under this pope.

All the REALLY great people are sooner or later shoved aside by corruption or assassination.

[QUOTE=Vasili;43051817]While the Church owns golden altars, symbols and priceless locked away artifacts then I will always see their words hollow.[/QUOTE] the vatican is practically part-museum you can criticize them for building new things with more golden altars, but you can't reasonably expect an organization to sell pieces of history - to whom would it go, anyway? what place do vatican-related artifacts go, other than the vatican? it's like calling a person selfish because they don't want to sell their handed-down-over-the-generations antiques for charity, only instead of having sentimental value, it's historical and religious value.

[QUOTE=joes33431;43063008]the vatican is practically part-museum you can criticize them for building new things with more golden altars, but you can't reasonably expect an organization to sell pieces of history - to whom would it go, anyway? what place do vatican-related artifacts go, other than the vatican? it's like calling a person selfish because they don't want to sell their handed-down-over-the-generations antiques for charity, only instead of having sentimental value, it's historical and religious value.[/QUOTE] Turn the Vatican into a museum. Charge a small fee for entry.

[QUOTE=Ezhik;43058767]Well I'm pretty sure that existing without a government is impossible. In the end somebody will come ahead and end up with power.[/QUOTE] Well technically it wouldn't be without government as such. It would be more like self-government as opposed to the more traditional 'top-down bureaucratic hierarchy with limited democracy' kind of government.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43064062]Turn the Vatican into a museum. Charge a small fee for entry.[/QUOTE] It technically is except for parts of it? [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Vatican_City_map_EN.png[/t] [editline]4th December 2013[/editline] The yellow highlighted areas are museums.