Danish radio DJ batters a nine week old rabbit to death live on air with a bicycle pump, to raise aw
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Good, now the world can know its the ACTUAL danes that are being shit to animals by raising them in terrible ranches instead of the whole world calling the faroese "evil danes who kill endangered species of whales"
Christ I still have fantasies of vigilante counter-terrorism if those sea shepherd assholes return to my motherland. I will never grow away from that.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47810951]As someone who grew up on a farm, as long as he ate the rabbit, I couldn't care less.[/QUOTE]
Oh. Yeah. Of course. Screw caring about not making animals suffer, who cares about that? It doesn't matter if the rabbit felt pain or not before it died because FARMS and YE OLDE DAYS OF GOOD where we didn't care about none o' this wussy ass shit! Long as you eat it, it don't matter if you cut off its limbs with a saw before roasting it live! You ate it so s'all guuud!
Apparently they did it because of "hypocrisy in animal welfare"
In other words, these are people who can't understand why we keep some animals as pets, and others as lifestock.
[QUOTE=deadoon;47811006]A bike pump is a hollow tube(mostly) with a very low density. It is a very subpar object to do it with as well as being able to be inferred as a weapon of opportunity, rather than a proper tool.
A simple metal rod(even a piece of heavy pipe) or axe is a better option by far.
My problem isn't that he killed it, it was the method of doing so, which I even stated in that post. You also can get captive bolt pistols for small animals as well.[/QUOTE]
Here is a picture of a common traditional Danish bicycle pump:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zNPO1co.jpg[/IMG]
The rod itself is made of metal, and has a durable wooden handle. It's also surprisingly heavy, easily heavy enough to beat fish, chickens and rabbits to death with. Anyone would be able to kill a small bunny with it, in one blow. He probably just hit it a couple of more times just to be sure, as the guy doing it likely wasn't used to killing animals.
I don't see how the fact that the metal rod can also be used to pump a bicycle and the fact that it was being done in a building where radio is recorded somehow makes it worse.
Doing it on live radio however could be considered very sensationalist, and simply a PR stunt done in bad taste.
It's like raping women to stop rape, he's probably going to do that next.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47809121]He likely killed it with first hit and only hit it more times to make SURE it was dead.
Seriously, it's ridiculously easy to kill a rabbit with a hit on the right spot. Even after it's dead, tho, it is going to naturally twitch and kick a bit, that's just noise on the severed spinal cord. He probably freaked out and hit it more times, just to be sure, and the rabbit likely didn't suffer any more.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the article makes it sound like he's just randomly bashing it. He was aiming for the neck and hit it two times. That from his own mouth at least, I haven't found the recording myself.
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[QUOTE=Hugo Strange;47815201]It's like raping women to stop rape, he's probably going to do that next.[/QUOTE]
Has absolutely nothing in common with that.
Also I will direct people's attention to the fact that every Dane in this thread hasn't been outraged. Maybe you people lack the context needed to actually understand this case, especially if you're only going by the article in the OP.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47815374]Yeah, the article makes it sound like he's just randomly bashing it. He was aiming for the neck and hit it two times. That from his own mouth at least, I haven't found the recording myself.
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Has absolutely nothing in common with that.[/QUOTE]
He sees a problem and tries to help fix it by expressing the same problem.
[QUOTE=Hugo Strange;47815394]He sees a problem and tries to help fix it by expressing the same problem.[/QUOTE]
People aren't eating rape victims. He's trying to show the hypocrisy of eating meat while being outraged over the death of a single rabbit. If you think those two things are equivalent, it's really time to move on from sixth grade.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47815397]People aren't eating rape victims. He's trying to show the hypocrisy of eating meat while being outraged over the death of a single rabbit. If you think those two things are equivalent, it's really time to move on from sixth grade.[/QUOTE]
To me, it seems like he just wanted attention. He didn't have to kill the rabbit to prove a point.
[QUOTE=Bonde;47814685]Here is a picture of a common traditional Danish bicycle pump:
The rod itself is made of metal, and has a durable wooden handle. It's also surprisingly heavy, easily heavy enough to beat fish, chickens and rabbits to death with. Anyone would be able to kill a small bunny with it, in one blow. He probably just hit it a couple of more times just to be sure, as the guy doing it likely wasn't used to killing animals.
I don't see how the fact that the metal rod can also be used to pump a bicycle and the fact that it was being done in a building where radio is recorded somehow makes it worse.
Doing it on live radio however could be considered very sensationalist, and simply a PR stunt done in bad taste.[/QUOTE]
If that thing is as heavily built as it looks it isn't as bad as it sounds.
In the US a bicycle pump is generally some 1 mm thick(or less) tube of metal with a simple pump system inside, and a wide base made out of thicker metal plates or fold out foot pieces.
[QUOTE=Hugo Strange;47815408]To me, it seems like he just wanted attention. He didn't have to kill the rabbit to prove a point.[/QUOTE]
He ate it as well, and rabbits are generally also a food animal as well as a pet animal.
The thing is, he is trying to influence people to be 'more ethical' by being unethical. And who said rapists don't eat their victims after? Cannibalistic rape cults do it.
[QUOTE=Hugo Strange;47815459]The thing is, he is trying to influence people to be 'more ethical' by being unethical. And who said rapists don't eat their victims after? Cannibalistic rape cults do it.[/QUOTE]
Pushing the goalposts.
Rapist does not imply eating the victim.
He is killing something in an "unethical" manner then eating it, to bring into perspective that the food you eat may not have been killed in the most ethical of manners.
[QUOTE=deadoon;47815467]Pushing the goalposts.
Rapist does not imply eating the victim.
He is killing something in an "unethical" manner then eating it, to bring into perspective that the food you eat may not have been killed in the most ethical of manners.[/QUOTE]
A lot of people know that though. I know what happens to chickens on McDonalds' farms yet I still don't mind eating their food.
I listened to this while driving to buy some groceries. A lady in the studio (Linse Kessler, for anyone wondering) had been interviewed before they killed the rabbit called Allan. She noticed Allan and they told her that he was going to be killed. She wanted to take Allan with her but she couldn't, so she went home. Halfway home, she turned the car around, went back inside thr studio by lying that she had forgotten her bag there. She then ran around the table in the studio trying to get to Allan with no success. You could hear the door close and then they killed the rabbit a few seconds later. Took something like 3 tries and then both hosts went quiet. I think one said "dude it's still moving".
I'll see if I can find the stream for that broadcast, if Radio24Syv didn't take it down.
[QUOTE=Hugo Strange;47815480]A lot of people know that though. I know what happens to chickens on McDonalds' farms yet I still don't mind eating their food.[/QUOTE]
...So why are you opposed to what he's doing here? If you're outraged by his actions, you're being giant hypocrite.
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[QUOTE=Jackpody;47815491]I listened to this while driving to buy some groceries. A lady in the studio (Linse Kessler, for anyone wondering) had been interviewed before they killed the rabbit called Allan. She noticed Allan and they told her that he was going to be killed. She wanted to take Allan with her but she couldn't, so she went home. Halfway home, she turned the car around, went back inside thr studio by lying that she had forgotten her bag there. She then ran around the table in the studio trying to get to Allan with no success. You could hear the door close and then they killed the rabbit a few seconds later. Took something like 3 tries and then both hosts went quiet. I think one said "[B]dude it's still moving[/B]".
I'll see if I can find the stream for that broadcast, if Radio24Syv didn't take it down.[/QUOTE]
Not indicative of the animal being alive and conscious at all, though.
[QUOTE=Hugo Strange;47815408]To me, it seems like he just wanted attention. He didn't have to kill the rabbit to prove a point.[/QUOTE]
When I was younger (~14 years old) I killed a chicken just to be taught that meat actually comes from animals (Ax to the neck). A living thing has to be killed in order for you to get your meal. If you see it on TV or hear about it then you are disassociating yourself from what is happening. The thought may shock you at first but after a minute or two you're over it. You start to realise that the life that has been taken away should have been without stress or harm. I've been against eating what I like to call "factory meat" ever since.
Unlike rape, what you were trying to compare it to, killing for meat is a very common thing that is essential to getting food on your plate.
[QUOTE=Hugo Strange;47815480]A lot of people know that though. I know what happens to chickens on McDonalds' farms yet I still don't mind eating their food.[/QUOTE]
A lot of people do, however you could probably go down the street and ask people if they know the way that cattle are slaughtered and very few would know the reality of it.(captive bolt pistol to the head and a slit to the throat generally)
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47815397]People aren't eating rape victims. He's trying to show the hypocrisy of eating meat while being outraged over the death of a single rabbit. If you think those two things are equivalent, it's really time to move on from sixth grade.[/QUOTE]
yeah and people buy Iphones but are outraged and horrified when they hear about kids in Africa being killed. Hypocrisy is a really basic facet of human nature and I don't know why people are still trying to prove that point.
like in some way everyone is a hypocrite and in there's no such thing as ethical consumption with systems such as ours in place so the point seems really moot and it seems like a stupid point to still be trying to make in 2015
Also people have to keep in mind, that when an animal is killed, either by blunt force to the skull or neck, or a knife applied to the brain, the nerves will almost always act up and make the muscles twitch. This is why chickens can be able to run for a moment or two after being beheaded.
These nerve impulses can be misinterpreted by an inexperienced hunter or fisherman as if the animal is still alive.
The hypocrisy of people willing to eat meat every day of their life, no matter the living conditions of the animal, while being unwilling to kill an animal that has lived a good life in the wild, is simply immense.
I think that the radio host wanted to confront this hypocrisy, but the whole situation could have been handled better. Instead it could have been done by getting a class of schoolchildren to watch something like the slaughter of a full size rabbit, and then having to cook it themselves afterwards.
I think there's a difference between killing a domesticated [I]baby[/I] rabbit for ownership as a pet [I]live in front of an audience[/I] to attract attention with the pretense of wanting to eat it and killing a domesticated, full-grown farm rabbit with the intention of producing a product with it.
No shit people are going to spark "hypocritical" outrage over it.
There are many ways of raising awareness about bad farm conditions, but this seems to raise the point that we should kill whatever we want whenever we want for food or not kill for food at all without even mentioning the moral gray area AND makes the guy look like a psychopath.
Defend the intended message if you want, but you'd be really stupid or really senseless to defend the execution and the effect.
Still, killing one rabbit with a bicycle pump won't grab the attention of that many people - only a few of them may get his message too.
[QUOTE=Sgt. Lulz;47816621]I think there's a difference between killing a domesticated [I]baby[/I] rabbit for ownership as a pet [I]live in front of an audience[/I] to attract attention with the pretense of wanting to eat it and killing a domesticated, full-grown farm rabbit with the intention of producing a product with it.
No shit people are going to spark "hypocritical" outrage over it.
There are many ways of raising awareness about bad farm conditions, but this seems to raise the point that we should kill whatever we want whenever we want for food or not kill for food at all without even mentioning the moral gray area AND makes the guy look like a psychopath.
Defend the intended message if you want, but you'd be really stupid or really senseless to defend the execution and the effect.[/QUOTE]
I'm not defending the way he carried it out, as it was poorly thouht out, and surely done to cause public outcry. I'm just saying that the bunny likely did not suffer. Hundreds like it die by being eaten by natural predators every day.
I do however think that there is an actual issue that needs to be addressed, and that people are utter morons because they care more about one tiny bunny than what happens to the animals they eat on a daily basis.
If the radio host just wanted to provoke debate, he might actually have succeeded.
[QUOTE=Bonde;47817165]I'm not defending the way he carried it out, as it was poorly thouht out, and surely done to cause public outcry. I'm just saying that the bunny likely did not suffer. Hundreds like it die by being eaten by natural predators every day.
I do however think that there is an actual issue that needs to be addressed, and that people are utter morons because they care more about one tiny bunny than what happens to the animals they eat on a daily basis.
If the radio host just wanted to provoke debate, he might actually have succeeded.[/QUOTE]
I'll say it again though, everyone is a hypocrite in western capitalist society.
Own an Iphone? Then you aren't allowed to get mad at the death of African children in the fight for conflict minerals
Own clothes that were mass produced? Then you aren't allowed to get mad at the treatment of asian sweatshop workers
Buy vegetables owned by the wrong corporations? Then you aren't allowed to get mad at the suffering of modern day farming.
There is no ethical consumption in capitalism. Yes, shockingly enough people don't like experiencing an animal being killed but they'll happily eat animals that have been killed as long as they haven't seen it. This is because death and violence causes a visceral reaction in people. I think most people would agree that World War 2 was a justified conflict, but if you show people images or videos of the dead and dying in the pacific they will still be upset by it.
it's a lazy slippery slope argument to assume that everyone with iconoclastic views in a capitalist country is a hypocrite: you might as well look for the most trivial amounts of hypocrisy in everyone if you're gonna pull that off. no one really chooses to what country they live in by birth and it's a massive waste of time to pick on people using products that come from [B]society[/B]
like what, is a blogger with strong communist views supposed to whittle their laptop out of wood, or shoplift from a grocery store? lol
[QUOTE=Ownederd;47817438]it's a lazy slippery slope argument to assume that everyone with iconoclastic views in a capitalist country is a hypocrite: you might as well look for the most trivial amounts of hypocrisy in everyone if you're gonna pull that off. no one really chooses to what country they live in by birth and it's a massive waste of time to pick on people using products that come from [B]society[/B]
like what, is a blogger with strong communist views supposed to whittle their laptop out of wood, or shoplift from a grocery store? lol[/QUOTE]
this is exactly what I'm trying to say
It's stupid to criticise people for moral hypocrisy because it's something we've done for centuries. People have views until those views run the risk of threatening their happiness or life. If you look for it you can find hypocrisy in anybody. So it seems like a stupid point to me for this DJ to start trying to challenge peoples views about this when people already know full well what he's trying to say
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;47817502]this is exactly what I'm trying to say
It's stupid to criticise people for moral hypocrisy because it's something we've done for centuries. People have views until those views run the risk of threatening their happiness or life. If you look for it you can find hypocrisy in anybody. So it seems like a stupid point to me for this DJ to start trying to challenge peoples views about this when people already know full well what he's trying to say[/QUOTE]
There's a big difference between clothes (which is a necessity) and meat, which isn't entirely. If you eat meat, you just have to be comfortable with the fact that animals are killed so they can be eaten. There really are no compromises there.
If I only bought clothes produced in Europe, I would probably own less than half the clothes that I do. While I'm not going to defend sweatshops in China, Bangladesh or wherever, they [I]do[/I] provide jobs that otherwise wouldn't be there. Let's be clear: I'm not calling Europe altruistic for supplying the heathens with $1/day jobs, but I don't think you can apply the same logic to cheap clothing as you can to meat. The market for clothes, laptops, electronics in general is also way harder to figure out - where did the lithium come from? How about the copper? With meat you can always be certain that an animal died for you to eat that.
If people knew full well what the DJ was saying, they wouldn't be outraged. That rabbit died - just like many other rabbits and animals - to be eaten. But yeah, I agree partway; we're all hypocrites to some degree.
[QUOTE=FetusFondler;47814669]Oh. Yeah. Of course. Screw caring about not making animals suffer, who cares about that? It doesn't matter if the rabbit felt pain or not before it died because FARMS and YE OLDE DAYS OF GOOD where we didn't care about none o' this wussy ass shit! Long as you eat it, it don't matter if you cut off its limbs with a saw before roasting it live! You ate it so s'all guuud![/QUOTE]
You blow it way out of proportion, but yeah. If it's not a clean kill, you bash it again until it stops moving. Then you cook it in a nice stew and enjoy a peaceful evening.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;47817438]it's a lazy slippery slope argument to assume that everyone with iconoclastic views in a capitalist country is a hypocrite: you might as well look for the most trivial amounts of hypocrisy in everyone if you're gonna pull that off. no one really chooses to what country they live in by birth and it's a massive waste of time to pick on people using products that come from [B]society[/B]
like what, is a blogger with strong communist views supposed to whittle their laptop out of wood, or shoplift from a grocery store? lol[/QUOTE]
This reminds me of people who complain about "champagne socialist" politicians, as if a politician should have to give all of his money away before he can push socialist ideals
You can support a cause without living up to it to the absolute t
I'm going to go beat cars with a baseball bat after a hockey game, to rise awareness about hooliganism
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;47817300]I'll say it again though, everyone is a hypocrite in western capitalist society.
Own an Iphone? Then you aren't allowed to get mad at the death of African children in the fight for conflict minerals
Own clothes that were mass produced? Then you aren't allowed to get mad at the treatment of asian sweatshop workers
Buy vegetables owned by the wrong corporations? Then you aren't allowed to get mad at the suffering of modern day farming.
There is no ethical consumption in capitalism. Yes, shockingly enough people don't like experiencing an animal being killed but they'll happily eat animals that have been killed as long as they haven't seen it. This is because death and violence causes a visceral reaction in people. I think most people would agree that World War 2 was a justified conflict, but if you show people images or videos of the dead and dying in the pacific they will still be upset by it.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with your opinion that there is no ethical consumption.
Depending on where you live, there actually often is an option for purchasing clothes not made in sweatshops, vegetables produced with care for the environment, and meat produced with regards to animal welfare.
Many people still opt to purchase the cheaper options, at the cost of the environment, animals and other human beings, simply because it gives them more purchasing power as an individual.
Some do it because they do not know the difference between ethical and non ethical products, while others do it because they simply do not care about anything beyond their own personal needs.
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