• Danish radio DJ batters a nine week old rabbit to death live on air with a bicycle pump, to raise aw
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[QUOTE=reeferdk;47808482]Was probably not the type of pump used.[/QUOTE] There's only really two major variations on how to pump a bike tire: a lightweight pump like that, or an air compressor [t]http://i.imgur.com/lhBpT4V.jpg[/t] So did he bludgeon the rabbit to death with an powered air compressor? Is this DJ also the Hulk?
Honestly he's got a good point, but really, a live killing on air (especially with someone fervently trying to save the animal's life) is going to make people angry, and thus they are not going to see the points raised. I love meat. I hate how the animals are treated, and especially how they're killed. They don't instantly die via these methods, and there are much better ways to kill animals than breaking spines or shredding brain parts. Even if you break a spine in one hit, or put a knife/bullet to the brain, the brain doesn't just "stop working." [U]They're not instantly unconscious, like people would want you to believe.[/U] Brains have various different tissues that do certain functions. If you rip apart the part of the brain that controls breathing and heartbeat, the person, rabbit, whatever is going to die, but for those 7 or so seconds before they die of blood loss to the brain they're going to be conscious, because the parts of the brain that control thought, pain, sight, sound, etc. are still full of blood and still have neurons firing. And even if they go into shock instantly and somehow don't feel pain, they're still conscious of what's happening, and are most likely incredibly terrified and confused. Yeah, they're legs might twitch uncontrollably, but they can still think and most likely feel. The only humane way I can think of for killing some animals (rabbits, rodents, etc this will not work on but cattle, pigs and chickens will work fine, or people too) is [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation]Inert Gas asphyxiation[/url] with nitrogen. Have the animal or human or whatever needs to die breathe in nitrogen, either in a chamber or with a mask. The nitrogen dilutes the oxygen in the blood, which eventually will cause death, and quite quickly depending on how much nitrogen is given. However, the body feels no pain because the gas is not toxic, has no odor and no taste, so the body cannot sense it. Plus, the death is actually a pleasant, "high" feeling. This avoids trauma, bloodshed, violence, and is the most humane way to kill animals (or people). So, my point is, the DJ has a point, the way we kill animals for meat is barbaric, there are much better ways to do it. The DJ is still a huge asshole though.
[QUOTE=Saber15;47818459]There's only really two major variations on how to pump a bike tire: a lightweight pump like that, or an air compressor [t]http://i.imgur.com/lhBpT4V.jpg[/t] So did he bludgeon the rabbit to death with an powered air compressor? Is this DJ also the Hulk?[/QUOTE] As I said on the previous page, traditional Danish bicycle pumps are sturdy metal cylinders with a wooden handle. You could probably beat a lot of smaller animals to death with it.
[QUOTE=Saber15;47818459]There's only really two major variations on how to pump a bike tire: a lightweight pump like that, or an air compressor [t]http://i.imgur.com/lhBpT4V.jpg[/t] So did he bludgeon the rabbit to death with an powered air compressor? Is this DJ also the Hulk?[/QUOTE] I don't know anyone who uses an air compressor, and most people just use the handheld ones (not the ones you showed). Why are you trying to tell a [url=http://top10hell.com/top-10-countries-with-most-bicycles-per-capita/]Dane[/url] what a bicycle pump looks like? [url=https://www.google.dk/search?q=cykelpumpe&espv=2&biw=1680&bih=949&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=IiNmVZv3OMPWU42SgYAD&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ]If you search for "cykelpumpe"[/url] (the danish word for bicycle pump), it'll quickly become clear that the average cykelpumpe is a metal cannister with a handle.
also: lagomorphs are prey animals that have no real means to defend themselves besides speed and area awareness. i hope the dj loses his job on the grounds that he's an insufferable sack of shit and a psychopath because this is the most confusing and dumb way to 'present' a point i've seen.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;47818736][B]also: lagomorphs are prey animals that have no real means to defend themselves besides speed and area awareness.[/B] i hope the dj loses his job on the grounds that he's an insufferable sack of shit and a psychopath because this is the most confusing and dumb way to 'present' a point i've seen.[/QUOTE] What does this have to do with anything? I think it's pretty harsh to call this guy a psychopath, you've probably never heard him on air. If they had killed the rabbit with someone other than a bicycle pump, would you be okay with it?
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47818823]What does this have to do with anything? I think it's pretty harsh to call this guy a psychopath, you've probably never heard him on air. If they had killed the rabbit with someone other than a bicycle pump, would you be okay with it?[/QUOTE] A pump isn't a weapon made to kill humanely, for what it's worth. It's a bludgeon. Shooting it or using some of the previous techniques mentioned in the thread will result in instant death, much more humane. [editline]27th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47818576]I don't know anyone who uses an air compressor, and most people just use the handheld ones (not the ones you showed). Why are you trying to tell a [url=http://top10hell.com/top-10-countries-with-most-bicycles-per-capita/]Dane[/url] what a bicycle pump looks like? [url=https://www.google.dk/search?q=cykelpumpe&espv=2&biw=1680&bih=949&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=IiNmVZv3OMPWU42SgYAD&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ]If you search for "cykelpumpe"[/url] (the danish word for bicycle pump), it'll quickly become clear that the average cykelpumpe is a metal cannister with a handle.[/QUOTE] I've used my air compressor to pump up my tires before when my pump was shot. :v: The dude I quoted already has a picture of the type of pump you linked.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47818823]What does this have to do with anything? I think it's pretty harsh to call this guy a psychopath, you've probably never heard him on air. If they had killed the rabbit with someone other than a bicycle pump, would you be okay with it?[/QUOTE] He literally beat an animal to death for the sole purpose of making a point, how is that not psychopathic Yes he ate it but he only did that to avoid legal trouble, this guys a legit nut
[QUOTE=Saber15;47820280]A pump isn't a weapon made to kill humanely, for what it's worth. It's a bludgeon. Shooting it or using some of the previous techniques mentioned in the thread will result in instant death, much more humane.[/QUOTE] If you look at the video JoeSkylynx posted (or think about it for more than a second), it's obvious that you can very easily and humanely kill a rabbit with blunt force (even though this guy didn't do it the proper way, apparently). Shooting a rabbit sounds like a pretty dumb idea - it's kinda hard to do in a studio, and even harder to do in Denmark. Sure, he shouldn't have used a bicycle pump, a tree bat would probably have been much better. [editline]28th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;47820407]He literally beat an animal to death for the sole purpose of making a point, how is that not psychopathic Yes he ate it but he only did that to avoid legal trouble, this guys a legit nut[/QUOTE] How do you know that? I doubt you've heard or even understood the original recording (since I haven't heard it, and you probably don't speak Danish), so how could you know anything about this guy or his intentions? Also, I don't know how "DJ" is interpreted in English, but Radio24Syv doesn't even play music as far as I'm concerned. This guy mostly deals with politics. Radio host might be a better name?
If I had the choice I would hunt my own game in the wild, but agriculture has basically resulted in our species growing extremely populous, if all 7 billion were hunter/gatherers things would be just as catastrophic. Hope that people stop thinking of insects as pests and realise their amazing potential as livestock. Termites taste sort of sweet and I have heard that locusts can be quite meaty.
The people's defense of the DJ's action severely remind me of the story about the young man feeding a kitten to his pet snake for christmas and those defending the actions as 'fulfilling the natural tendences of the predator species'. That entire thread was five levels of creepy borderline serial killer excuses and logical hoops. This thread isn't any different and while I can understand the point being made here are the facts. 1.He did not use the tools that had been designed to specifically kill a rabbit such as this one humanely. 2.He was not experienced and it was clearly shown as one whack, as per instruction said by several people including those defending this idiot, was not enough or he missed therefor meaning he was entering the cruelty line. 3.This was most likely a pet bunny, and before anyone moves forward, there's a reason why domesticated animals are offered more protection than say farm animals. That is mainly because domesticated animals for the most part have been bred and taught to follow and expect protection from humans. There's a reason why its a warning sign when a child or an adult abuses or kills small baby domesticated animals. 4.He did this for the shock value. He can say he was trying to prove a point but everyone can easily go to google and watch videos of how animals are slaughtered to find out. This man went out of his way to inhumanely prove a point about something he didn't need to. He didn't do this to prove a point, he did this to shock the point home and speaks volumes toward his character and his mental state which is probably shaky at best.
[QUOTE=Swilly;47825409] 3.This was most likely a pet bunny, and before anyone moves forward, there's a reason why domesticated animals are offered more protection than say farm animals. That is mainly because domesticated animals for the most part have been bred and taught to follow and expect protection from humans. There's a reason why its a warning sign when a child or an adult abuses or kills small baby domesticated animals. [/QUOTE] I do not understand this argument. What makes "pet" animals better than supposed food animals? Food animals spend their entire lives living in shit conditions and suffering only to end up being eaten. Why is it okay to kill them but pet animals are somehow protected? Both have same feelings and personalities. So if we grew humans for harvesting, would it be okay to kill them but not people grown to be citizens? I just don't get why killing pet animals is worse than killing food animals. Besides having more meat, both of them are the same. It's not like feelings and emotions are bred out of food animals.
For the most part, it's just a matter of environmental impact. Killing an animal that is being fed on a routine basis by a human, which does no ecological or agricultural damage just feels wrong. It goes against the whole hunter's/conservationist creed.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;47825470]For the most part, it's just a matter of environmental impact. Killing an animal that is being fed on a routine basis by a human, which does no ecological or agricultural damage just feels wrong. It goes against the whole hunter's/conservationist creed.[/QUOTE] Except food animals. Those are fair game when it comes to killing.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47825438]I do not understand this argument. What makes "pet" animals better than supposed food animals? Food animals spend their entire lives living in shit conditions and suffering only to end up being eaten. Why is it okay to kill them but pet animals are somehow protected? Both have same feelings and personalities. So if we grew humans for harvesting, would it be okay to kill them but not people grown to be citizens? I just don't get why killing pet animals is worse than killing food animals. Besides having more meat, both of them are the same. It's not like feelings and emotions are bred out of food animals.[/QUOTE] Its the same reason special protections are afforded toward children. You're the caretaker, by adopting the animal you've given a pledge to protect and care for it. To make sure its healthy. By killing it instead, you betray that contract.
[QUOTE=Swilly;47825494]Its the same reason special protections are afforded toward children. You're the caretaker, by adopting the animal you've given a pledge to protect and care for it. To make sure its healthy. By killing it instead, you betray that contract.[/QUOTE] The rules for mistreating animals around here are the same regardless of you buying them in a pet shop, breeding them in a barn or catching them in the wild. All animals are equally protected. I don't see why specific animals deserve to be killed any more or less than other types of animals. They are all the property of people and those people have to treat them with respect.
I don't get the concept of "humane" kill. Why bother trying to inflict the least pain possible to an animal that's going to die seconds later anyway? The point of pain in the first place is to prevent injury and death. Just because you use some kind of trick to bypass this natural defense doesn't make the act itself any more acceptable.
[QUOTE=Swilly;47825494]Its the same reason special protections are afforded toward children. You're the caretaker, by adopting the animal you've given a pledge to protect and care for it. To make sure its healthy. By killing it instead, you betray that contract.[/QUOTE]And how does that differ from farm animals? Why do farm animals, even if same type, come with different license compared to pet version? How come we segregate an animal into a pet and a livestock and one is morally okay to kill and eat while the other one is not?
[QUOTE=Swilly;47825409]The people's defense of the DJ's action severely remind me of the story about the young man feeding a kitten to his pet snake for christmas and those defending the actions as 'fulfilling the natural tendences of the predator species'. That entire thread was five levels of creepy borderline serial killer excuses and logical hoops. This thread isn't any different and while I can understand the point being made here are the facts. 1.He did not use the tools that had been designed to specifically kill a rabbit such as this one humanely. 2.He was not experienced and it was clearly shown as one whack, as per instruction said by several people including those defending this idiot, was not enough or he missed therefor meaning he was entering the cruelty line. 3.This was most likely a pet bunny, and before anyone moves forward, there's a reason why domesticated animals are offered more protection than say farm animals. That is mainly because domesticated animals for the most part have been bred and taught to follow and expect protection from humans. There's a reason why its a warning sign when a child or an adult abuses or kills small baby domesticated animals. 4.He did this for the shock value. He can say he was trying to prove a point but everyone can easily go to google and watch videos of how animals are slaughtered to find out. This man went out of his way to inhumanely prove a point about something he didn't need to. He didn't do this to prove a point, he did this to shock the point home and speaks volumes toward his character and his mental state which is probably shaky at best.[/QUOTE] 1. To be honest I don't like being called a serial killer apologist. 2. For one criticising people for jumping through logical loops, you're doing some serious mental gymnastics in order to fit your world view of house pets being less deserving of death than pigs or cows. 3. You're not forced to listen to the radio - why is it any different to kill an animal on air (or on TV) than on youtube? Why is it okay to make this point on Youtube, but not on the radio? 4. How does failing to kill an animal in the first hit (which you can't know whether he did or not, unless you were there or got some information that I haven't been able to find) suddenly turn this into animal cruelty? Animal cruelty (or rather, abuse) is about intent in my opinion - if it's your first time slaughtering a chicken, can you really be called cruel if you miss the first blow by mistake? 5. You're really making some assumptions about this man's character and his mental state based on very little evidence. Cut it out, you don't know him, you've never met him, and you've probably never heard his program at all.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47826837]And how does that differ from farm animals? Why do farm animals, even if same type, come with different license compared to pet version? How come we segregate an animal into a pet and a livestock and one is morally okay to kill and eat while the other one is not?[/QUOTE] It seems like this argument has went like this for past few pages "why it's ok to kill farm animals when it's not ok to kill pets" "because other ones are pets and other ones are farm animals" repeat times 1000
[QUOTE=opaali;47827009]It seems like this argument has went like this for past few pages "why it's ok to kill farm animals when it's not ok to kill pets" "because other ones are pets and other ones are farm animals" repeat times 1000[/QUOTE] So the reason is completely arbitrary and illogical?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47827026]So the reason is completely arbitrary and illogical?[/QUOTE] Pretty much yeah
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