German man who called friends concerned about NSA's operations to join him in a walk around a US arm - Polidicks

We're locking you up and taping your mouth shut to protect your freedom

[QUOTE=zombojoe;41478389]Why is the american secret police monitoring a german activist in germany in the first place?[/QUOTE] Where does the article involve Americans? It's funny how everyone in this thread is ignoring that these are German police and assuming it's all on the US. Here in America we've had several protests against the NSA without people complaining that they have police knocking on their door, so why would you assume it's the US's doing when someone is questioned in Germany? Is it news to any of you that Germany, the battleground of the Cold War and close ally of the US, UK, and France, isn't exactly a surveillance-free state and this kind of stuff gets investigated?

[QUOTE=stawicki;41479363]You know history repeats itself. So revolution 2.0 time.[/QUOTE] Watch out, they'll put you on the "angsty teens calling for revolution" list.

It pisses me off how Euro nations allow the US to walk all over them and treat them like unofficial states of murrica.

The more we say "empire" and "imperialism" the more the word gets watered down

turning into fucking splinter cell

Well i still remember some German man Saying "Freedom has its Price but are you Willing to pay for it?"

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

[QUOTE=DiavelZzZ;41481231]Well i still remember some German man Saying "Freedom has its Price but are you Willing to pay for it?"[/QUOTE] peace sells but who's buyin

[QUOTE=Cone;41481286]peace sells but who's buyin[/QUOTE] Nobody! you nailed it.

[QUOTE=catbarf;41479810]Where does the article involve Americans? It's funny how everyone in this thread is ignoring that these are German police and assuming it's all on the US. Here in America we've had several protests against the NSA without people complaining that they have police knocking on their door, so why would you assume it's the US's doing when someone is questioned in Germany? Is it news to any of you that Germany, the battleground of the Cold War and close ally of the US, UK, and France, isn't exactly a surveillance-free state and this kind of stuff gets investigated?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]How, though, did the police get wind of Bangert's planned "nature" walk? A spokeswoman for the police in nearby Darmstadt told SPIEGEL ONLINE that the US Military Police had found the Facebook post and passed it along to German officials. The Military Police are responsible for security within the Dagger Complex, but outside the fence, it is the Germans who are in charge.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/us-military-and-german-police-respond-to-facebook-post-about-nsa-walk-a-911451.html[/url] In the end this is America's fault.

I studied bloody english at my school to be able to say this as eloquent as possible: FUCK OFF, AMERICA, FUCK OFF

[QUOTE=laserguided;41481402][URL]http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/us-military-and-german-police-respond-to-facebook-post-about-nsa-walk-a-911451.html[/URL] In the end this is America's fault.[/QUOTE] [quote][B]but outside the fence, it is the Germans who are in charge.[/B][/quote] Thanks for proving my point. [editline]16th July 2013[/editline] I don't know why it's so difficult on this forum to get across the idea that what the German police do isn't 100% controlled from afar by the US, and they are even more surveillance-prone than we are. The only American involvement here is passing information to the Germans and then letting them decide what to do with it, but from the comments here you'd think NSA agents in suits broke down the guy's door and kidnapped him to Guantanamo. And then when they want to [I]talk[/I], the reaction here is [quote]They almost fucking detained him and they interrogated him[/quote] I know this is Sensationalist Headlines but some of you are just getting more and more ridiculous in your hyperbolic reactions to everything related to the NSA.

[QUOTE=Cone;41481286]peace sells but who's buyin[/QUOTE]if there's a new way, i'll be the first in line, but it better work this time

You guys... german law enforcement talked to him, not the US. I would talk to him too if I saw his affiliations.

[QUOTE=catbarf;41481620]Thanks for proving my point. [editline]16th July 2013[/editline] I don't know why it's so difficult on this forum to get across the idea that what the German police do isn't 100% controlled from afar by the US, and they are even more surveillance-prone than we are. The only American involvement here is passing information to the Germans and then letting them decide what to do with it, but from the comments here you'd think NSA agents in suits broke down the guy's door and kidnapped him to Guantanamo. And then when they want to [I]talk[/I], the reaction here is I know this is Sensationalist Headlines but some of you are just getting more and more ridiculous in your hyperbolic reactions to everything related to the NSA.[/QUOTE] Its America's fault. They shouldn't be snooping.

[QUOTE=laserguided;41482077]Its America's fault. They shouldn't be snooping.[/QUOTE] From my understanding, the guy just made a Facebook post. German authorities saw the post and decided to talk to him regarding protesting outside a military installation.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41482289]From my understanding, the guy just made a Facebook post. German authorities saw the post and decided to talk to him regarding protesting outside a military installation.[/QUOTE] Nope. US authorities saw his post and asked the local german police to check this guy out.

[QUOTE=laserguided;41482310]Nope. US authorities saw his post and asked the local german police to check this guy out.[/QUOTE] Well it's a good thing the US had them shipped to Guantanamo. Oh wait, they didn't. They had the walk just like they planned.

[QUOTE=areolop;41482007]You guys... german law enforcement talked to him, not the US.[/QUOTE] German law enforcement.. serving American interests. So rather than simply being americans authorities, they are German authorities proactively policing German people for americans. Yep, that's a lot better. [quote] I would talk to him too if I saw his affiliations.[/quote] This "they are just doing their jobs" apologist attitude shit needs to stop. If it's the job of police officers to be a glorified nagging, questioning and surveillance force maybe they should consider getting better jobs.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41482355]Well it's a good thing the US had them shipped to Guantanamo. Oh wait, they didn't. They had the walk just like they planned.[/QUOTE] So? The US military shouldn't be asking local police to check out a guy over this.

[QUOTE=laserguided;41482575]So? The US military shouldn't be asking local police to check out a guy over this.[/QUOTE] Facebook is a US-based company, and reports suspicious activity to the US government. The US government then relayed the information to German authorities to handle it.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41482612]Facebook is a US-based company, and reports suspicious activity to the US government. The US government then relayed the information to German authorities to handle it.[/QUOTE] 'suspicious civilian activity detected'

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41482612]Facebook is a US-based company, and reports suspicious activity to the US government. The US government then relayed the information to German authorities to handle it.[/QUOTE] Is your perception of privacy and basic morality so warped you can't even decipher whats wrong with that sentence?

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41482532]German law enforcement.. serving American interests. So rather than simply being americans authorities, they are German authorities proactively policing German people for americans. Yep, that's a lot better.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=laserguided;41482575]So? The US military shouldn't be asking local police to check out a guy over this.[/QUOTE] If a German intelligence agency told US police that an American citizen was planning something outside a Luftwaffe base in the US, they'd certainly at least look into it. If there were an event scheduled to take place in front of the German embassy in DC, you can bet that there would be US police maintaining security and looking into who exactly was organizing it. Do you really think that any nation operates a base or structure in a foreign country with the understanding that if they have security concerns, the local police won't care? Would you seriously prefer if the NSA had handled it directly? [editline]16th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;41482626]Is your perception of privacy and basic morality[/QUOTE] Would you kindly explain how a public event posted publicly to Facebook is a privacy issue?

[QUOTE=catbarf;41482994]If a German intelligence agency told US police that an American citizen was planning something outside a Luftwaffe base in the US, they'd certainly at least look into it. If there were an event scheduled to take place in front of the German embassy in DC, you can bet that there would be US police maintaining security and looking into who exactly was organizing it. Do you really think that any nation operates a base or structure in a foreign country with the understanding that if they have security concerns, the local police won't care? Would you seriously prefer if the NSA had handled it directly? [editline]16th July 2013[/editline] Would you kindly explain how a public event posted publicly to Facebook is a privacy issue?[/QUOTE] I would have preferred use common sense and see that it isn't a security risk.

[QUOTE=laserguided;41483773]I would have preferred use common sense and see that it isn't a security risk.[/QUOTE] As the article said: [quote]He said a state security agent arrived with a local police officer, and asked him [...] whether he had any connection to activists willing to use violence. They suggested his Facebook entry could be interpreted in different ways, but he said he was really just organizing a walk. [/quote] Nobody got arrested, nobody was abducted in a black van, nobody got shipped off to Guantanamo. They had concerns so they asked him directly to clarify. In a world where terrorists and violent activists intentionally cloak plans in mild language, 'common sense' is not a useful way to assess risk.

[QUOTE=catbarf;41483914]As the article said: Nobody got arrested, nobody was abducted in a black van, nobody got shipped off to Guantanamo. They had concerns so they asked him directly to clarify. In a world where terrorists and violent activists intentionally cloak plans in mild language, 'common sense' is not a useful way to assess risk.[/QUOTE] Why do they need to know his political leanings and why are they spying on Facebook posts in the first place?

[QUOTE=laserguided;41483960]Why do they need to know his political leanings and why are they spying on Facebook posts in the first place?[/QUOTE] Is it really spying when you post something publicly on Facebook?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41484014]Is it really spying when you post something publicly on Facebook?[/QUOTE] Is it really spying when you say something out loud?