[QUOTE=Tophat;45019872]Haha come on, it's not a "terrible" way to describe those concepts. If the image isn't clean (no tracing) then it is a tad "choppy", is it not? Because you'd be seeing remnants of the last image on screen.
Once again, what is an "ordinary" customer? There is no such thing, that's like trying to say you are a "average" human, that lives a "normal" life. You could debate for centuries trying to put proper definitions on those concepts in those contexts.
A lot of apples users are photographers and video editors that have been led to believe that their panels are the best for their work. They are great, no doubt, but there are still a ton of smart pc users out there who care just as much about their displays. There are a lot of great panels that meet or beat the quality of Apple's for around the same price.[/QUOTE]
Actually on laptops there aren't any that meet or beat at the same price, and on desktops there aren't any except for Dell and NEC and all the other brands that you guys don't sell.
[img]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7399/58606.png[/img]
[img]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7399/58605.png[/img]
Those numbers are absolutely ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Tophat;45019872]
Also, who buys Dells anymore? It's 2014 and most people have learned their lessons by now. Dell is just bad.[/QUOTE]
Dell monitors. Not computers. You are definitely a PC salesman.
[QUOTE=Tophat;45019872]There are a lot of great panels that meet or beat the quality of Apple's for around the same price.
Also, who buys Dells anymore? It's 2014 and most people have learned their lessons by now. Dell is just bad.[/QUOTE]
rofl. dell and apple make some of the best displays out there rather objectively
.Lain killing my merge.
to be perfectly honest for things like a computer only for normal desktop usage I only see benefit from a much higher resolution, how much can a higher framerate REALLY benefit browsing face punch?
I would gladly have a 1440pX144hz monitor for gaming but a 2000-3000p second monitor at like 40hz for browsing and movies
[QUOTE=damnatus;45016720]um wat, this is the exact reason why tearing happens
also where did you ever get that games tear at 30 fps, it's impossible (unless the monitor is out of sync with the gpu, but that shouldn't happen by default)
edit: i'm kind of waiting for an explanation why I am wrong[/QUOTE]
Think of the refresh rate as the amount of windows of inputs. 60hz basically means you have a 16.6ms window of time. 120hz is 8.3ms. You WILL notice less tearing on a 120hz/144hz, but for a different reason. The reason is, the window of display is half as much as 60hz, that means you are MORE likely to see a complete frame being shown before the next one it sent to the screen. 120/144's snapshots of time are shorter so its less likely to get two frames in fast succession being shown. 60hz has a much wider window where it is accepting frames which is why you will see more tearing on 60hz.
And why 30hz is fucking tear city, because 33.3ms window of time accepting new frames.
Granted, when I say sent to the monitor, I mean packed at the GPU and then sent out. The screen is always being fed the same "framerate" via the refresh rate.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45019915]to be perfectly honest for things like a computer only for normal desktop usage I only see benefit from a much higher resolution, how much can a higher framerate REALLY benefit browsing face punch?
I would gladly have a 1440pX144hz monitor for gaming but a 2000-3000p second monitor at like 40hz for browsing and movies[/QUOTE]
40hz is unbearable, but i do see where you're coming from. resolution for office work and image production is far more important than a higher refresh rate. it'd be nice if we could realistically have both without any downsides right now, but we can't :x
[QUOTE=Kaabii;45019885]Actually on laptops there aren't any that meet or beat at the same price, and on desktops there aren't any except for Dell and NEC and all the other brands that you guys don't sell.
[img]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7399/58606.png[/img]
[img]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7399/58605.png[/img]
Those numbers are absolutely ridiculous.
Dell monitors. Not computers. You are definitely a PC salesman.[/QUOTE]
For notebooks and tablets I don't doubt that for a second.
Those are some interesting numbers you have there. I'm surprised. I've always been led to believe that the higher end ASUS panels for professional work were some of the best in the industry for color accuracy.
Also, easy on the "you guys" I'm not with them anymore, they're cunts :v:
[editline]6th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=.Lain;45019889]rofl. dell and apple make some of the best displays out there rather objectively[/QUOTE]
Displays sure, PC's hell no! The service desk and all of the dell repairs (with proprietary somewhat irreplaceable parts) speak for themselves
we weren't talking about computers though?
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Also, easy on the "you guys" I'm not with them anymore, they're cunts :v:
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Well good for you. A lot of the people who work at CC do it because they like being assholes so obviously you are not one or you wouldn't be aware of that.
also i digress, i have worked with dell prebuilt office computers in the past and they seem pretty alright. i wouldn't reccomend their lower grade laptops, but their higher end ones are relatively good for windows laptops
[QUOTE=.Lain;45019929]40hz is unbearable, but i do see where you're coming from. resolution for office work and image production is far more important than a higher refresh rate. it'd be nice if we could realistically have both without any downsides right now, but we can't :x[/QUOTE]
Pretty much, I'd rather super clean text than a high frame rate that'll not be useful anyways
but for games, 120 hz FOR SURE
[QUOTE=.Lain;45019948]we weren't talking about computers though?
also i digress, i have worked with dell prebuilt office computers in the past and they seem pretty alright. i wouldn't reccomend their lower grade laptops, but their higher end ones are relatively good for windows laptops[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know, I realized that. At first I thought you guys were talking about their PCs for a second there. I just find it hard to trust Dell for anything anymore given their history. I've had an XPS that basically started artifacting and melted right in front of me, and so many of the refurbs and problem computers are Dells, HPs, and Acers. But if their panels really are as great as you're all making them out to be, then I'm willing to give them a second chance instead of boycotting them completely.
[QUOTE=Kaabii]Well good for you. A lot of the people who work at CC do it because they like being assholes so obviously you are not one or you wouldn't be aware of that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree with you there, at least for the head office/management part of it definitely. I was lucky to be a part of a smaller location with less of their assholish influence (at least for the first 3/4 year or so) but the company definitely rared it ugly head in this last year or so when they fired myself and a bunch of my colleagues.
I'd recommend not shopping there if you can avoid it. NCIX is looking a lot hotter these days.
Also just throwing it out there, I don't want to come off as a know-it-all. Thanks for the info, I'm always interested to learn more and fix where I may have been misled.
[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;45014754]$800 yeah fuck off. I've seen 4K's for that much.[/QUOTE]
120Hz/144Hz is a far bigger improvement in a monitor than resolution will ever fucking be
Not to mention all 4k monitors have insane motion blur due to slow pixel response. Too many people on gaming sites don't seem to understand this shit matters so much for games it's not even funny.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;45020615]120Hz/144Hz is a far bigger improvement in a monitor than resolution will ever fucking be
Not to mention all 4k monitors have insane motion blur due to slow pixel response. Too many people on gaming sites don't seem to understand this shit matters so much for games it's not even funny.[/QUOTE]
or they spend a bajillion dollars just do have a resolution on three monitors thats some obscure number just so they can eyefinity them all
[QUOTE=Kaabii;45019714]Lightboost isn't meant to work above 120Hz. It should be turning itself off at 144Hz to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Read my post above, I used it as intended (at 120), I noticed there was less motion blur in the tests but didn't like 120 instead of 144 and switched back
[editline]7th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Tophat;45019741]
Choppier in the sense that the colors become more inaccurate and the tracing becomes more undesirable at 144hz. Perhaps choppy is a bad way to describe those concepts.[/QUOTE]
I just switched to 60 and did not notice any difference in colors, so I don't know what you're talking about :v:
which Canada Computer s do you work at ?
I go to one in Toronto for half my computing needs
[QUOTE=Tophat;45019741]It sure doesn't feel like a placebo, I've always been really sensitive to latency between my inputs and the outputs, perhaps there's a different issue at hand then that I have yet to figure out. And as far as all colors vs GtG and BtB I suppose my managers and supervisors at Canada Computers must have been wrong then? (That wouldn't surprise me lol)
[editline]6th June 2014[/editline]
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Choppier in the sense that the colors become more inaccurate and the tracing becomes more undesirable at 144hz. Perhaps choppy is a bad way to describe those concepts.[/QUOTE]
doh, missed you later post. FYI, i do the other half of my shopping at NCIX.
So as someone who doesn't really game that much and doesn't have the specs to run any game at 120fps, would it be worth it for me to buy a 120hz/144hz monitor? I just looked at the Asus VG248QE and it's pretty cheap and I'm considering getting it, but should I? I just bought a new monitor like two weeks ago, and I'm saving up for something else that's quite expensive. Should I spend what I have saved up on this 144hz monitor?
[QUOTE=Angus725;45014646]It'll take another 1-2 generations of video cards until they can actually drive these things at decent fps...
(I'm trying to drive a 2560x1440x50hz monitor with a GTX670M to terrible effect, not often do you want to buy a computer for a monitor instead of a monitor for a computer.)[/QUOTE]
My SLI 660s run THREE of these at once on most games with mostly max settings (AA can cause some issues)
i'd love a high density monitor with a wide color gamut and good viewing angles for photo stuff
for gaming it seems like getting a monitor that runs 1080p native would make more sense, would be far easier to run and being native it would still look quite good
Hey there guys, I just remembered I was looking forwards to this piece of hardware, and it turns out a review of the screen was posted yesterday, so I thought of bump the thread since it's relevant information
[url]http://www.kitguru.net/peripherals/monitors/zardon/asus-rog-swift-pg278q-144hz-g-sync-monitor-w-gtx-780ti-rog-matrix/[/url]
The review is positive and it seems like they managed to solve most of the inherent problems that TN panels have over IPS! i'm eager to get my hands on this.
[QUOTE=AGMadsAG;45014659]You are using a mobile GPU? Did you ever expect that to perform?
I'm thinking of getting this monitor for my CSGO needs, [B]60hz is just painful but eh, i've stuck with it since I don't want to go from 1920x1200 to 1920x1080[/B].[/QUOTE]
you poor thing
Your eyes can't even tell the difference between 1080p and 144hz!
I'd love a 120hz monitor but i'm perfectly happy with a resolution of 1440x900 tbh. And if I go 120hz + 1080p or whatever I probably cant get enough fps in games to take advantage of that 120hz
The only games I really get 60 FPS+ in is Source Engine games, and maybe a few others.
But I still really want a 120hz/144hz monitor, I "OC'd" my 60hz to 75hz and I can tell, so I really do want to see what a monitor with a higher Hz is like.
I could probably never afford one of these
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;45014703]Can somebody elaborate the difference between 60hz and 120hz?[/QUOTE]
One you go 120hz, you dont want to go back. (If you get that much FPS)
[QUOTE=waylander;45017865]Asus, Samsung, AOC and Dell have 28" 4K TN monitors for around £500 dell also do a 24" IPS 4k monitor for about £700
[editline]6th June 2014[/editline]
tbh i dont think its really worth it at this time for gaming unless you already have or were planning to buy multiple gpu's, 90% of games dont have that good texture quality and its a bitch to run games even at 1440p never mind 2160p[/QUOTE]
Wow I want a 24" 4k monitor for photo editing omg that sounds wonderful
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45014688]Jesus, that stand is revolting.[/QUOTE]
Psh why would you be usin' the stand son? Get up on that swivel-arm mounting technology, that shit is tight tight tight!
Seriously though, swivel mounts were invented by the Gods for your swiveling needs.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;45306274]Psh why would you be usin' the stand son? Get up on that swivel-arm mounting technology, that shit is tight tight tight!
Seriously though, swivel mounts were invented by the Gods for your swiveling needs.[/QUOTE]
Have fun spending like 600 - 700 dollars.
Aaaaand it's another TN. Yeah not shelling out 800€ for a TN panel.
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