Multiple people stabbed at Sacramento far-right rally & counter-protest - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Conscript;50600846]so you want to encourage them, if they want to do as little as enjoy freedom of speech, to go full brownshirt and start clearing streets[/QUOTE] No, that's why u hit them with the sticks, so they don't say those kinds of things out on the streets. All racist ideologies are implicitly violent and expressing violent beliefs in public constitutes a threat to the people around you. If you're a nazi and you want to use your freedom of speech publish a pamphlet and don't congregate in public.

lmao Their words are violent so by all means physically assault them

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;50600853]No, that's why u hit them with the sticks, so they don't say those kinds of things out on the streets. [b]All racist ideologies are implicitly violent[/b] and expressing violent beliefs in public constitutes a threat to the people around you. If you're a nazi and you want to use your freedom of speech publish a pamphlet and don't congregate in public.[/QUOTE] "I don't like X" does not imply "I wish to maim X". Even if it did, actually maiming someone is much, much worse.

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[QUOTE=Octavius;50600871]you're right, let's all apologize. fascists should be able to organize and come to power with no resistance. sorry.[/QUOTE] How about you argue against what I actually said.

[QUOTE=Quiet;50600870]"I don't like X" does not imply "I wish to maim X".[/QUOTE] Actually, if you've read a single sentence in any history book ever written since like uhh Herodotus it actually totally does imply that.

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Literally all six thousand years of recorded human history is groups of people coming together, saying "I don't like those other people over there," and then deciding to start killing them.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;50600886]Actually, if you've read a single sentence in any history book ever written since like uhh Herodotus it actually totally does imply that.[/QUOTE] Speak for yourself, I don't physically assault people I dislike/disagree with.

You can fight and resist in civilized manner jfc

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;50600845]I never said stabbing people is ok, but sometimes when you're hitting nazis with sticks (perfectly ok) emotions get a little heated. Ultimately you have to determine who is at fault and clearly that was the nazis, who instigated the conflict by being nazis in public. If they want to express their free speech they can do it in a cave, to one of those blind cave crocodiles, or maybe to a stalagmite.[/QUOTE] I think if anyone belongs in a cave, it's someone who thinks it's alright to attack people for having offensive beliefs. Preferably a cave called a "jail", which is where they'd belong. Yes, being a nazi is fucking unbelievable in this time period, but aside from the obvious implications of believing it's OK to attack someone for having beliefs you (as well as the rest of us, I'd assume) find offensive there's all sorts of effects side effects to this violence that again, you should not need a doctorate to understand. If these people are so dangerous and the things they're advocating for are direct threats to a person or community, [b]try them under the legal system[/b] as well as the idiots that are fighting with them.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;50600893]Literally all six thousand years of recorded human history is groups of people coming together, saying "I don't like those other people over there," and then deciding to start killing them.[/QUOTE] You mean like you and the facists I don't like those fascists over there let's go kill them

[QUOTE=Octavius;50600887]At what point do you think it's okay to fight back against fascists? Only after they have gained power and begin to shoot people?[/QUOTE] If someone explicitly advocates violence, that is bad and should be stopped.

[QUOTE=Octavius;50600563] It's really just a question of "At what point is it okay to beat the fascists? Before or after they have power?" For those aligned with Antifa, the answer would be before. Legitimately curious as to what your preferred action would be.[/QUOTE] Using violence pre-emptively against people you consider potentially violent kind of defeats the purpose does it not?

Imagine a hearing a white nationalist or a member of a wahabbist sect or some shit saying "I don't like that race/creed of people over there but I would never hurt them" and actually being dumb-as-a-sack-of-rocks gullible enough to [b]actually believe[/b] them...

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;50600845]I never said stabbing people is ok, but sometimes when you're hitting nazis with sticks (perfectly ok) emotions get a little heated. Ultimately you have to determine who is at fault and clearly that was the nazis, who instigated the conflict by being nazis in public. If they want to express their free speech they can do it in a cave, to one of those blind cave crocodiles, or maybe to a stalagmite.[/QUOTE] That's a pretty fascist way of thinking. I guess this is the exact same way of thinking several specific parties had around a hundred years ago more or less when they started - you know the nazis and fascists? Switch one word in what you say and you're back in the 30's. [quote=you]"I never said stabbing people is ok, but sometimes when you're hitting jews with sticks (perfectly ok) emotions get a little heated."[/quote] You're a hypocrite and a fool. Get your money back from your education since you learned nothing.

[QUOTE=Elspin;50600825]If you have 3 doctorates but you need people to explain to you why stabbing people with offensive views is different from an active war then maybùe your time at university was not well spent[/QUOTE] Well ok but it was the anti-nazi protestor mainly getting stabbed and he didn't say anything about stabbing????

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;50600904]Imagine a hearing a white nationalist or a member of a wahabbist sect or some shit saying "I don't like that race/creed of people over there but I would never hurt them" and actually being dumb-as-a-sack-of-rocks gullible enough to [b]actually believe[/b] them...[/QUOTE] If you don't believe the latter half of their statement, why would you believe the former half? Or if you do believe the former half, why would you not believe the latter half?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;50600904]Imagine a hearing a white nationalist or a member of a wahabbist sect or some shit saying "I don't like that race/creed of people over there but I would never hurt them" and actually being dumb-as-a-sack-of-rocks gullible enough to [b]actually believe[/b] them...[/QUOTE] Imagine being so childish that when someone racist says something racist you think "shit they're immediately as bad as nazis during wartime and the only reasonable course of action is violence against them instead of the legal system we have for the purpose of maintaining law and order". Like what the fuck do you think modern society is, preschool?

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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;50600904]Imagine a hearing a white nationalist or a member of a wahabbist sect or some shit saying "I don't like that race/creed of people over there but I would never hurt them" and actually being dumb-as-a-sack-of-rocks gullible enough to [b]actually believe[/b] them...[/QUOTE] Oh you better hit them with a stick since it's (perfectly ok) and emotions get a lil heated.

[QUOTE=Octavius;50600933]Not really. The choices presented are either to oppose them when they are weak and small, or let them grow into a large threat which would result in much more damage. So if the objective is to avoid the most violence, opposing them pre-emptively is the ideal option. The legal system takes the second approach, so that is why it is non-ideal.[/QUOTE] Then change the legal system. You won't be able to, because your idea is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;50600853]No, that's why u hit them with the sticks, so they don't say those kinds of things out on the streets. All racist ideologies are implicitly violent and expressing violent beliefs in public constitutes a threat to the people around you. If you're a nazi and you want to use your freedom of speech publish a pamphlet and don't congregate in public.[/QUOTE] that didn't even work in the 20s/30s. it weakened the republic, split the left between the KPD and SPD based on militancy, and the conflict rendered the political center helpless. so you have hitler the bringer of order as he purges the communists and then the SA. also, everyone ganging up on nazis with a sense of moral supremacy will backfire just like it did with trump both sides are implicitly violent. the reactionaries are violent, even if they don't mean to, because they instinctually take up an identity that politically means defending a hierarchy of sorts. the left/antifascists are because they openly want to overturn this and have no respect for liberal values like private property or free speech. there's no moral high ground here, just all out war like it should be. this guy from the mises institute describes this uncanny modern parallel of the nazis and the communists in the 30s to white nationalists/alt right and SJWs/progressive liberals. they're basically two sides of identity politics that will balkanize this country [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjZucErdgyg[/url]

[QUOTE=Killuah;50600914]Well ok but it was the anti-nazi protestor mainly getting stabbed and he didn't say anything about stabbing????[/QUOTE] Never in any of my posts did I say that I approved of [b]either side[/b] getting stabbed, even if the "anti-fascist" group initiated the knife violence I'd prefer if none of them were stabbed as well, I'd prefer they were tried [i]legally[/i].

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50600908]That's a pretty fascist way of thinking. I guess this is the exact same way of thinking several specific parties had around a hundred years ago more or less when they started - you know the nazis and fascists? Switch one word in what you say and you're back in the 30's. You're a hypocrite and a fool. Get your money back from your education since you learned nothing.[/QUOTE] This is the kind of "if it sounds equivalent, that means it's equivalent" crap that hopefully people will start being disabused of in the near future. You are a rational adult with the faculties of judgement and reason at your disposal. You can actually, 100 percent, claim that there is a difference between discriminating against jews and discriminating against racists. U just need to use your thinking brain and your thought-parts to tell the difference; u can do it, I believe in u. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Novangel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Elspin;50600900]I think if anyone belongs in a cave, it's someone who thinks it's alright to attack people for having offensive beliefs. [/quote] That's good cause [Quote]They got one of us but we got six of them,” he said.[/quote] [url]http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-neo-nazi-stabbed-20160626-snap-htmlstory.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Octavius;50600933]Not really. The choices presented are either to oppose them when they are weak and small, or let them grow into a large threat which would result in much more damage. So if the objective is to avoid the most violence, opposing them pre-emptively is the ideal option. The legal system takes the second approach, so that is why it is non-ideal. How do you think the fascists got to the point of being able to go to war and utilize such violence? Germany had a legal system, it had elections. A lack of solid and good anti-fascism allowed for the rise of the Nazis.[/QUOTE] Except those aren't the only two options you fucking nut You can oppose them while they are small and weak without violence jfc. Nazis in America are literally nothing new. They've failed to get any power in the last fucking 80 years and oh look we did that without a systematic purge of them.

[QUOTE=Killuah;50600959]That's good cause [url]http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-neo-nazi-stabbed-20160626-snap-htmlstory.html[/url][/QUOTE] Let's stop the selective reading maybe because [quote]Assemblyman Jim Cooper (D-Elk Grove), a former sheriff's captain, said that Capitol employees were being sheltered on the building's basement level. An email sent to legislative staffers about 3:30 said the building remained on lockdown, with some staff and tourists inside. Some protesters came dressed for battle, several seen carrying wooden batons and some wearing plastic shields. "They came ready to fight," said Cooper. One local television crew was accosted by the protesters that showed up to confront the white supremacist group. John Breedlove, a videographer for KCRA-TV, said the protester "took his skateboard and just slammed it into the reporter's gut." Neither journalist was seriously injured.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Killuah;50600959]That's good cause [url]http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-neo-nazi-stabbed-20160626-snap-htmlstory.html[/url][/QUOTE] stop spinning shit

[QUOTE=Killuah;50600959]That's good cause [url]http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-neo-nazi-stabbed-20160626-snap-htmlstory.html[/url][/QUOTE] And he hasn't argued otherwise lmao Clearly anyone who stabbed anyone else at this rally should be tried