Multiple people stabbed at Sacramento far-right rally & counter-protest - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kentz;50601413]with this line of logic its fine to beat down the violent communists that are antifa too?[/QUOTE] Nonononono They're on the RIGHT side of history.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50601208]If you want to donate to the people stabbed by those nazi fucks, here's a link. [url]https://rally.org/June26th[/url] Antifa forever.[/QUOTE] Fuck off, the first victim was a nazi stabbed in the stomach by your precious Antifa who started the shit, hope the fuck who stabbed him is locked away in jail

[QUOTE=DuCT;50601440]Nonononono They're on the RIGHT side of history.[/QUOTE] its funny because every group could use that as justification for their actions.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50601456]its funny because every group could use that as justification for their actions.[/QUOTE] it's funny because it's a strawman

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50601015]Unlike you I don't believe in discrimination or violent action against people of conflicting beliefs as long as they don't hurt others, and unlike you I believe in free speech. You are evidently not a rational adult and therefore cannot see your own logical errors. You believe in hurting people with a different opinion then yours, what is the next step from this? Harass them in their daily lives? Hunt them down? Stab them? You see where I am going and the parallel's that are drawn? They're becoming or already became what they say they're fighting against. And if you're trying to be condescending to someone in an argument, then you already show you're childish. Maybe not in body or age but in mind.[/QUOTE] People gathering in the streets saying we should reclaim the US for the whites shouldn't be allowed. That's not free speech, that's calling for violent action no matter how you spin it. There is no such thing as a call for discrimination that isn't hostile.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50601551]People gathering in the streets saying we should reclaim the US for the whites shouldn't be allowed. That's not free speech, that's calling for violent action no matter how you spin it. There is no such thing as a call for discrimination that isn't hostile.[/QUOTE] So ultimately they shouldnt be allowed to voice their opinions because they are violent thoughts? Do you set the same standards to antifa?

[QUOTE=Kentz;50601606]So ultimately they shouldnt be allowed to voice their opinions because they are violent thoughts? Do you set the same standards to antifa?[/QUOTE] There is a 100% clear legally defineable distinction between discrimination against people for race/gender/sexuality, and discrimination against ideology And yes, incitement of violence is already illegal and I don't support it. And we shouldn't pretend that bigotry doesn't lead to violence.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50601674]There is a 100% clear legally defineable distinction between discrimination against people for race/gender/sexuality, and discrimination against ideology And yes, incitement of violence is already illegal and I don't support it. And we shouldn't pretend that bigotry doesn't lead to violence.[/QUOTE] You know what also leads to violence? Arguing that violence against people with opposing viewpoints is entirely justified. Although you're right in the sense that I also consider that a form of bigotry.

[QUOTE=Zyler;50601737]You know what also leads to violence? Arguing that violence against people with opposing viewpoints is entirely justified. Although you're right in the sense that I also consider that a form of bigotry.[/QUOTE] Did you quote the wrong post? I made it entirely clear I don't support violence at all. AntiFa or anyone else. I also think the general public should realize that demonstrations supporting bigoted views aren't different from inciting violence.

[QUOTE=Octavius;50600871]you're right, let's all apologize. fascists should be able to organize and come to power with no resistance. sorry.[/QUOTE] Let's assume that people are guilty of something before they actually do it. In fact, let's assume that anyone with even a remote connection to the concept of committing the crime has guilt by association and punish them more severely than we actually need to in order to stop them from committing it just because we can. By this logic, it's totally justified to ban all Muslims from the United States because some (or possibly all of them, you never know) might be terrorists. [editline]27th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Rubs10;50601775]Did you quote the wrong post? I made it entirely clear I don't support violence at all. AntiFa or anyone else. I also think the general public should realize that demonstrations supporting bigoted views aren't different from inciting violence.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, your viewpoint was a little bit confusing from your post.

How could those antifa bastards hurt the peacefully protesting neo-nazis and other assorted fascists. We should really debate them so we can discover the finer point of how they'd like to gas the jews and lynch people of my sexuality or race.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;50600768]congrats that means fuck all they teach you in preschool not to hit people because they dont share your views. maybe you should head back.[/QUOTE] fuck pacifist bullshit, these people would gladly hit you anyone defending fascists and neo-nazis is weak and wishy-washy and would be completely rolled over if the people they're defending got their way

[QUOTE=axelord157;50601805]How could those antifa bastards hurt the peacefully protesting neo-nazis and other assorted fascists. We should really debate them so we can discover the finer point of how they'd like to gas the jews and lynch people of my sexuality or race.[/QUOTE] No, but it's totally alright to kill them as well as innocent bystanders who were just standing nearby documenting. Clearly there can be no middle-ground between killing everyone I disagree with and supporting nazis, nope, none at all. [editline]27th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Judas;50601808]fuck pacifist bullshit, these people would gladly hit you anyone defending fascists and neo-nazis is weak and wishy-washy and would be completely rolled over [B]if the people they're defending got their way[/B][/QUOTE] Neo-nazis have no influence at all in our modern politics. This isn't the third reich, it's a bunch of uneducated hicks with mental and social problems who need education. By killing them, you are doing nothing to challenge their beliefs and probably even reinforcing them. You are shooting yourself in the foot for no gain, save for the feeling of being oh-so morally superior and demonstrating that you care more about feeling good about yourself than actually pushing forward whatever made-up political affirmations you claim to believe in. You are sabotaging the work of actual civil rights campaigners by unnecessary escalating the situation and providing ammunition to their opponents. If you want to feel good about yourself for killing nazis, play a video game. And what about the innocent people who get shot in the crossfire? Do they not matter?

[QUOTE=Zyler;50601811]No, but it's totally alright to kill them as well as innocent bystanders who were just standing nearby documenting. Clearly there can be no middle-ground between killing everyone I disagree with and supporting nazis, nope, none at all. [editline]27th June 2016[/editline] Neo-nazis have no influence at all in our modern politics. This isn't the third reich, it's a bunch of uneducated hicks with mental and social problems. By killing them, you are doing nothing to challenge their beliefs and probably even reinforcing them. You are shooting yourself in the foot for no gain, save for the feeling of being oh-so morally superior. If you want to feel good about yourself for killing nazis, play a video game. And what about the innocent people who get shot in the crossfire? Do they not matter?[/QUOTE] You're the only one talking about killing them... They should be intimated into not demonstrating. I don't feel sympathy for people who advocate for a police state where every gay nightclub is burned down.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50601835]You're the only one talking about killing them...[/QUOTE] I'm talking about the people supporting AntiFa members who stabbed a bunch of people. What do you think the intention of those people was? Openly advocating violence against imaginatively powerful enemies can only lead to eventual violence and death.

[QUOTE=Judas;50601808]fuck pacifist bullshit, these people would gladly hit you anyone defending fascists and neo-nazis is weak and wishy-washy and would be completely rolled over if the people they're defending got their way[/QUOTE] Complaining about people being happy to hit you and then advocating hitting people. Yep that's pretty much what I expected.

[QUOTE=Zyler;50601847]I'm talking about the people supporting AntiFa members who stabbed a bunch of people. What do you think the intention of those people was?[/QUOTE] We can argue that the demonstrators shouldn't have been there in the first place without supporting trying to murder them. There's a middle ground here.

[QUOTE=Zyler;50601811]No, but it's totally alright to kill them as well as innocent bystanders who were just standing nearby documenting. Clearly there can be no middle-ground between killing everyone I disagree with and supporting nazis, nope, none at all.[/QUOTE] Why why why do people keep thinking its just a "disagreement" when it comes to having fascists? Any jackoff who skims a history book can tell you that giving fascists the ability to organize themselves in public always leads to dead people, a lot of dead people. The whole street-fighting thing would definitely suck for bystanders but how else do you expect nazis learn they aren't welcome anywhere?

[QUOTE=Judas;50601808]fuck pacifist bullshit, these people would gladly hit you anyone defending fascists and neo-nazis is weak and wishy-washy and would be completely rolled over if the people they're defending got their way[/QUOTE] I'll defend Antifa, BLM, the Klan, Neonazis, PETA, you name it. I don't give a fuck what your message is, your ideology, or your goal. In this country you have a right to your beliefs and the right to assemble and no one can take that away from you.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50601208]If you want to donate to the people stabbed by those nazi fucks, here's a link. [URL]https://rally.org/June26th[/URL] Antifa forever.[/QUOTE] Side note: If you support Antifa, don't share pictures you may find, and if you know anything, don't be fuckin' stupid: keep your mouth shut. It seems obvious, but people snitch on themselves more than any other individual.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50601851]Complaining about people being happy to hit you and then advocating hitting people. Yep that's pretty much what I expected.[/QUOTE] Yeah, when that nightclub was shot up the police should have gone in and tried to talk him down while he blew another queers head off. Great idea dude.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50601856]We can argue that the demonstrators shouldn't have been there in the first place without supporting trying to murder them. There's a middle ground here.[/QUOTE] There will always be shitty people with shitty opinions in the world, that doesn't justify violence and it never will. There should've been a peaceful counter-protest, if the neo-nazis tried to start shit then not getting involved would demonstrate that the counter-protesters are actually the better side. In that case it would be an opportunity to push forward a positive message and just maybe educate some people and change their opinions. That outcome would be preferable to one where the neo-nazi people never come out and just stew around in their echo chambers becoming more and more radicalized. Bad ideas only dissolve at the interface with reality. This kind of discourse needs to happen eventually, but it should only be conducted with peaceful protest and not violence.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50601880]Yeah, when that nightclub was shot up the police should have gone in and tried to talk him down while he blew another queers head off. Great idea dude.[/QUOTE] Don't play dumb. You know the difference between a rally and a terrorist attack. Or, by your logic, should we start lynching mobbing muslims?

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50601856]We can argue that the demonstrators shouldn't have been there in the first place without supporting trying to murder them. There's a middle ground here.[/QUOTE] People in the United States have a constitutional right to assemble in protest to defned and espouse their ideals. Yeah, a lot of times people have fucked up ideals, but that does not mean you get to trample over their rights. The Supreme Court tends to rule at current by "Immenent Lawless Action". Basically, there's a difference between "I fucking hate asians they should get out" and "I'm going to go lynch some asians tonight".

[QUOTE=bdd458;50601898]People in the United States have a constitutional right to assemble in protest to defned and espouse their ideals. Yeah, a lot of times people have fucked up ideals, but that does not mean you get to trample over their rights. The Supreme Court tends to rule at current by "Immenent Lawless Action". Basically, there's a difference between "I fucking hate asians they should get out" and "I'm going to go lynch some asians tonight".[/QUOTE] hate speech is not covered by any constitutional freedoms

[QUOTE=Judas;50601904]hate speech is not covered by any constitutional freedoms[/QUOTE] Just because it is hate speech does not mean it is legal or even moral to attempt murder.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50601889]Don't play dumb. You know the difference between a rally and a terrorist attack. Or, by your logic, should we start lynching muslims?[/QUOTE] I also know the difference between a regular political rally and a rally advocating for a society where groups of people are oppressed.

[QUOTE=Judas;50601904]hate speech is not covered by any constitutional freedoms[/QUOTE] want to point out the specific law or do you want me to show you specifically how you're talking out of your ass?

[QUOTE=axelord157;50601872]Why why why do people keep thinking its just a "disagreement" when it comes to having fascists? Any jackoff who skims a history book can tell you that giving fascists the ability to organize themselves in public always leads to dead people, a lot of dead people. The whole street-fighting thing would definitely suck for bystanders but how else do you expect nazis learn they aren't welcome anywhere?[/QUOTE] You know what also leads to dead people? Justifying violence against people you disagree with. Like I said, this isn't the third reich it's a bunch of uneducated hicks. By resorting to violence, you sabotage any efforts of re-education and make yourself out to be the bad guy. By your logic we should ban all Muslims from the country and not allow them to congregate because they could be organizing terrorist plots. Your embellishing the threat of the situation and the people and groups involved in order to justify violence. Neo-nazis have no significant political power today. The means of violence is not justified by the threat of any potential outcome. How much collateral damage is acceptable for such little gain? Is harming a thousand innocent bystanders worth stopping one neo-nazi from standing in front of a library and yelling incoherent rubbish? How about ten innocent bystanders for five neo-nazis? There are consequences for your actions, you cannot just magically round up all the people who think a certain way and punish them. You have the weigh the consequences, the potential harm versus the potential gain.

A sampler of the [I]peaceful[/I] nazis: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl6ekVqUgAEqNpS.jpg[/IMG]