Multiple people stabbed at Sacramento far-right rally & counter-protest - Polidicks

[QUOTE=bdd458;50601898]People in the United States have a constitutional right to assemble in protest to defned and espouse their ideals. Yeah, a lot of times people have fucked up ideals, but that does not mean you get to trample over their rights. The Supreme Court tends to rule at current by "Immenent Lawless Action". Basically, there's a difference between "I fucking hate asians they should get out" and "I'm going to go lynch some asians tonight".[/QUOTE] And my argument is we should stop pretending there's a difference

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50601919] And my argument is we should stop pretending there's a difference[/QUOTE] great, so once we start trampling on one group's thought we open the flood gates to start trampling on other groups. That's not a society I'm willing to, or wish to, live in. Our Freedom of Speech is there to protect minority opinions and ideals, no matter how fucked up they are. We have this ideal of "Imminent Lawlessness" due to arrests made during WWI, people who were urging people to resist the draft or attempt to sabatoge the war effort, and just basically not going with the national will

[QUOTE=axelord157;50601934]A sampler of the [I]peaceful[/I] nazis: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl6ekVqUgAEqNpS.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Good job not reading anything I or anyone else in this thread posted.

[QUOTE=axelord157;50601934]A sampler of the [I]peaceful[/I] nazis: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl6ekVqUgAEqNpS.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] A sampler of Antifa [img]http://i.imgur.com/VbEsJle.jpg[/img] ergo by your logic they should all be shot.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50601851]Complaining about people being happy to hit you and then advocating hitting people. Yep that's pretty much what I expected.[/QUOTE] People preemptively reacting to violent individuals by themselves using violence as a defensive measure makes perfect sense actually. You've presented no arguments for why it's wrong, probably because deep down you realize it isn't wrong. You don't fight violence by laying down and acting like a pacifist; you stand up, fight, kill, and if necessary die to defeat it. Tolerance of intolerance doesn't do anything to defeat intolerance-- it just enables it to continue to exist until eventually an opportunity appears for it to rise and cause serious problems needlessly-- and the fact people apparently have difficulty understanding this principle is disappointing. Disappointing, but not surprising for plenty of reasons. The exact same thing happened in Weimar Germany: Hitler and the Nazis needed to be stopped, there were plenty of opportunities where they could've been stopped, but they weren't, and everybody paid the price for their lack of action in the end. That Neville Chamberlain avatar suits you. That was a man who literally [i]could[/i] have and should have stopped Hitler and the Nazis after the Anschluss of Austria and the Sudetenland annexation/the invasion of Czechoslovakia, but instead he decided appeasement and pacifism was the best route to take. And we all know what a costly mistake that was for the world. [editline]27 June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Thlis;50601947]A sampler of Antifa [img]http://i.imgur.com/VbEsJle.jpg[/img] ergo by your logic they should all be shot.[/QUOTE] Except they're reacting to the neo-Nazis and Fascist sympathizers, so they shouldn't be shot. It's like if I attack somebody who has just attacked me or who has threatened to attack me. I'm not to blame, they are-- because they're the ones who started trouble in the first place where there previously wasn't any. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp. The Antifascists are not to blame, the neo-Nazis and literal Fascists are. Now if and when the Antifascist crowd starts overstepping their boundaries, and if they start to become the way the neo-Nazis and Fascists were, that's a different story. That's when a reaction against them would be needed.

[QUOTE=Govna;50601951]People preemptively reacting to violent individuals by themselves using violence as a defensive measure makes perfect sense actually. You've presented no arguments for why it's wrong, probably because deep down you realize it isn't wrong. [/QUOTE] Again by this neanderthal logic the neo-nazi's would be justified in killing Antifa as Antifa would preemptively attack the neo-nazis.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50601935]And my argument is we should stop pretending there's a difference[/QUOTE] We overuse words like racist, sexist, facist and terrorist all the time, to the point where they lose all meaning. The point at which we argue that someone holding an belief and someone acting on those beliefs in the same thing is the same point at which all muslims become terrorists, all christians become the Westboro Baptist Church, all liberals become communists and all conservatives become neo-nazis.

[QUOTE=axelord157;50601934]A sampler of the [I]peaceful[/I] nazis: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl6ekVqUgAEqNpS.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Wow, they look just like antifa. [img]http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/g/l/m/2/g/6/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gox69s.png/1463812096285.jpg[/img] [img]https://nycantifa.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/rca.jpg?w=599[/img]

[QUOTE=axelord157;50601934]A sampler of the [I]peaceful[/I] nazis: -snip-[/QUOTE] Antifa wore black clothing and masks too. [url]http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article86099332.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Govna;50601951]People preemptively reacting to violent individuals by themselves using violence as a defensive measure makes perfect sense actually. You've presented no arguments for why it's wrong, probably because deep down you realize it isn't wrong. You don't fight violence by laying down and acting like a pacifist; you stand up, fight, kill, and if necessary die to defeat it. Tolerance of intolerance doesn't do anything to defeat intolerance-- it just enables it to continue to exist until eventually an opportunity appears for it to rise and cause serious problems needlessly-- and the fact people apparently have difficulty understanding this principle is disappointing. Disappointing, but not surprising for plenty of reasons. The exact same thing happened in Weimar Germany: Hitler and the Nazis needed to be stopped, there were plenty of opportunities where they could've been stopped, but they weren't, and everybody paid the price for their lack of action in the end. That Neville Chamberlain avatar suits you. That was a man who literally [I]could[/I] have and should have stopped Hitler and the Nazis after the Anschluss of Austria and the Sudetenland annexation/the invasion of Czechoslovakia, but instead he decided appeasement and pacifism was the best route to take. And we all know what a costly mistake that was for the world.[/QUOTE] People preemptively reacting to violence that they perceive as about to occur when it actually isn't (i.e. it's all in their minds) is pretty freaking delusional. Neo-nazis have no political power today and aren't a significant enough threat to justify treating them as just as significant a threat as Nazi Germany circa 1932. I'll ask again, how many innocent bystanders are worth harming to squash even the remote possibility of a single neo-nazi screaming incoherent bullshit outside a public library? This isn't a black-and-white issue, this is an argument of weighing the consequences for your actions and the potential gains versus potential detriment.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50601958]Again by this neanderthal logic the neo-nazi's would be justified in killing Antifa as Antifa would preemptively attack the neo-nazis.[/QUOTE] No, they wouldn't, because they were the ones who caused trouble in the first place-- not the Antifascists. How the fuck do people not understand this. [editline]27 June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zyler;50601972]People preemptively reacting to violence that they perceive as about to occur when it actually isn't (i.e. it's all in their minds) is pretty freaking delusional. Neo-nazis have no political power today and aren't a significant enough threat to justify treating them as just as significant a threat as Nazi Germany circa 1932.[/QUOTE] It's not delusional, and you clearly know nothing about neo-Nazi movements here in the United States. For decades now, we've had serious problems with them. They've killed and attacked people before, plotted terrorist attacks. [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/us-army-white-supremacists_n_1815137.html]Our military has had a significant problem with them coming in to acquire training and forming gangs[/url]. Put it this way: the government considers them to be a real enough threat that they've made efforts to infiltrate their organizations before. You seriously underestimate these people, and the entire point here is to take care of them before they get out of hand. Which they will, and they're starting to again now with all this talk of "radical Islam" and the campaign of bullshit that Trump is stirring up. And it's not just neo-Nazis, it's the radical right in general we've had problems with for decades now. You need to study the White Nationalist Movement here in the United States more to see the relationship.

Antifa Is a joke and I'm not surprised at the fpers who support it tbh

[QUOTE=Govna;50601951]People preemptively reacting to violent individuals by themselves using violence as a defensive measure makes perfect sense actually. You've presented no arguments for why it's wrong, probably because deep down you realize it isn't wrong. You don't fight violence by laying down and acting like a pacifist; you stand up, fight, kill, and if necessary die to defeat it. Tolerance of intolerance doesn't do anything to defeat intolerance-- it just enables it to continue to exist until eventually an opportunity appears for it to rise and cause serious problems needlessly-- and the fact people apparently have difficulty understanding this principle is disappointing. Disappointing, but not surprising for plenty of reasons. The exact same thing happened in Weimar Germany: Hitler and the Nazis needed to be stopped, there were plenty of opportunities where they could've been stopped, but they weren't, and everybody paid the price for their lack of action in the end. That Neville Chamberlain avatar suits you. That was a man who literally [i]could[/i] have and should have stopped Hitler and the Nazis after the Anschluss of Austria and the Sudetenland annexation/the invasion of Czechoslovakia, but instead he decided appeasement and pacifism was the best route to take. And we all know what a costly mistake that was for the world. [editline]27 June 2016[/editline] Except they're reacting to the neo-Nazis and Fascist sympathizers, so they shouldn't be shot. It's like if I attack somebody who has just attacked me or who has threatened to attack me. I'm not to blame, they are-- because they're the ones who started trouble in the first place where there previously wasn't any. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp. The Antifascists are not to blame, the neo-Nazis and literal Fascists are. Now if and when the Antifascist crowd starts overstepping their boundaries, and if they start to become the way the neo-Nazis and Fascists were, that's a different story. That's when a reaction against them would be needed.[/QUOTE] It'll make them expand in number because they'll notice a contradictory nature behind your actions. If you're incapable of simply follow your original principles, then why is anyone else obligated to follow them?

[QUOTE=Govna;50601973]No, they wouldn't, because they were the ones who caused trouble in the first place-- not the Antifascists. How the fuck do people not understand this.[/QUOTE] So would the neo-nazis be justified in killing communists but not the communists killing neo-nazis? Because communism has a higher death count that nazism, and under your stone age reasoning the communists and neo-nazis would already be planning to kill each other on the streets anyways.

[QUOTE=Govna;50601973]No, they wouldn't, because they were the ones who caused trouble in the first place-- not the Antifascists. How the fuck do people not understand this.[/QUOTE] No, in this case the AntiFa people attacked first. Not that it matters anyway because AntiFa justifies using violence in all cases and not just in self defense. And just to make it extra clear, THAT'S the reason I disagree with them, not because I think neo-nazis are nice people.

[QUOTE=Zyler;50601925]1. You know what also leads to dead people? Justifying violence against people you disagree with. 2. Like I said, this isn't the third reich it's a bunch of uneducated hicks. By resorting to violence, you sabotage any efforts of re-education and make yourself out to be the bad guy. 3. By your logic we should ban all Muslims from the country and not allow them to congregate because they could be organizing terrorist plots. 4. Your embellishing the threat of the situation and the people and groups involved in order to justify violence. Neo-nazis have no significant political power today. The means of violence is not justified by the threat of any potential outcome. 5. How much collateral damage is acceptable for such little gain? Is harming a thousand innocent bystanders worth stopping one neo-nazi from standing in front of a library and yelling incoherent rubbish? How about ten innocent bystanders for five neo-nazis? 6. There are consequences for your actions, you cannot just magically round up all the people who think a certain way and punish them. You have the weigh the consequences, the potential harm versus the potential gain.[/QUOTE] Line by line breakdown: 1.) Urghh stop saying its just a minor little disagreement. This is about people who would go on to kill people if they had the power and influence to carry out their self-identified fascistic wet dreams. 2.) Yessir, I'm the bad guy. Turns out im the real fascist for fighting against fascism. God bless modern liberals. 3.) What? There are harmless Muslims who can be beneficial or progressive. There's no such thing as a harmless neo-nazi, their ideology literally prevents them from being harmless. 4.) Do you read the news? Far right bullshit is all the rage in western civ right now. Trump. Brexit. Farage. Nazis are getting legetimized more and more as the days pass by. 5.) Stop acting like street-fighting is going cause the end of the world. Antifa and neo-nazis tend to be very noticable when they come blows in the street. 6.) Aware of that. Christ almighty, stop downplaying it as "people who think a certain way." This is fascism we're talking about. One of the most dangerous poltical ideologies to come from humanity. This shit is not a joke. Sure as shit wasn't for the Jews, blacks, gays, etc and etc.

[QUOTE=Govna;50601973] It's not delusional, and you clearly know nothing about neo-Nazi movements here in the United States. For decades now, we've had serious problems with them. They've killed and attacked people before, plotted terrorist attacks. [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/us-army-white-supremacists_n_1815137.html]Our military has had a significant problem with them coming in to acquire training and forming gangs[/url]. Put it this way: the government considers them to be a real enough threat that they've made efforts to infiltrate their organizations before. You seriously underestimate these people, and the entire point here is to take care of them before they get out of hand. Which they will, and they're starting to again now with all this talk of "radical Islam" and the campaign of bullshit that Trump is stirring up. And it's not just neo-Nazis, it's the radical right in general we've had problems with for decades now. You need to study the White Nationalist Movement here in the United States more to see the relationship.[/QUOTE] By 'take care of them' I assume you mean coordinating with police, helping them investigate crimes and so on? Or do you instead mean beating the shit out of innocent bystanders and accomplishing nothing except radicalizing your opposition further? Donald Trump is not a neo-nazi. Conflating him and his supporters with neo-nazis is a case of guilt by association and a further justification of violent punishment against people who have not done anything wrong. You are using fear of a small minority of people to justify violence against a potentially huge swarthe of people. This is an exact parallel of conservatives who use the fear of islamic terrorists to justify violence against muslims. By your logic, we should ban all muslims from the country because some of them (potentially all of them) could be terrorists.

This thread is reeeeeally telling of a lot of the usual SH shitposters. Lots of true colors coming to light.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50601958]Again by this neanderthal logic the neo-nazi's would be justified in killing Antifa as Antifa would preemptively attack the neo-nazis.[/QUOTE] One group is killing for the "right" to oppress and strip the rights of anybody who isn't a straight white male. Another group is killing to protect the rights of anybody who doesn't fit into that narrow definition. I wonder, I wonder, and wonder who is just a bit more justified in this poor ol' grey morality world of ours... [editline]27th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=froztshock;50601960]Wow, they look just like antifa. [img]http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/g/l/m/2/g/6/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gox69s.png/1463812096285.jpg[/img] [img]https://nycantifa.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/rca.jpg?w=599[/img][/QUOTE] Yes, post more antifa pics beating up on the poor, downtrodden nazis. Also, I posted that pic of the fascists to contradict the "peaceful nazi rally" horseshit. They came looking for a bloody fight, and left bloody from a fight.

[QUOTE=axelord157;50602041]Line by line breakdown: 1.) Urghh stop saying its just a minor little disagreement. This is about people who would go on to kill people if they had the power and influence to carry out their self-identified fascistic wet dreams. 2.) Yessir, I'm the bad guy. Turns out im the real fascist for fighting against fascism. God bless modern liberals. 3.) What? There are harmless Muslims who can be beneficial or progressive. There's no such thing as a harmless neo-nazi, their ideology literally prevents them from being harmless. 4.) Do you read the news? Far right bullshit is all the rage in western civ right now. Trump. Brexit. Farage. Nazis are getting legetimized more and more as the days pass by. 5.) Stop acting like street-fighting is going cause the end of the world. Antifa and neo-nazis tend to be very noticable when they come blows in the street. 6.) Aware of that. Christ almighty, stop downplaying it as "people who think a certain way." This is fascism we're talking about. One of the most dangerous poltical ideologies to come from humanity. This shit is not a joke. Sure as shit wasn't for the Jews, blacks, gays, etc and etc.[/QUOTE] I'd rather you consider the argument I actually made instead of breaking it down because it is not a point-by-point argument but instead a single concise one that seems to be going over your head. I'll try to explain this using points: 1.AntiFa's methods of using violence as a form of counter-protest literally has the opposite intended effect of radicalizing their opposition further. If you actually care about stopping neo-nazis then you shouldn't support their methods, they are CREATING neo-nazis. 2.There is such a thing as disproportionate response. You keep ignoring the argument I made about how many innocent bystanders are worth harming just to stop one neo-nazi, it's the core of my argument. We are not living in the age of the third reich, you cannot treat your opponents the same way as you would then. 3.Donald Trump in his supporters are not neo-nazis. You are conflating right-wing ideology with neo-nazism in order to justify violence against those people. It is exactly the same logic used by those who want to ban all Muslims from the country because of Islamic Extremism. Just replace terrorist with nazi and muslim with right-wing. [QUOTE]5.) Stop acting like street-fighting is going cause the end of the world. Antifa and neo-nazis tend to be very noticable when they come blows in the street.[/QUOTE] I never claimed this, I do however think this street-fighting is stupid as hell and if anyone dies because of this it'll be a crying shame. I think it's pretty horrible for people to support this kind of violence that will probably wind up with people being killed for no reason. I also want you to respond to this post, because you seemingly ignored the entire thing: [QUOTE=Zyler;50601925]You know what also leads to dead people? Justifying violence against people you disagree with. Like I said, this isn't the third reich it's a bunch of uneducated hicks. By resorting to violence, you sabotage any efforts of re-education and make yourself out to be the bad guy. By your logic we should ban all Muslims from the country and not allow them to congregate because they could be organizing terrorist plots. Your embellishing the threat of the situation and the people and groups involved in order to justify violence. Neo-nazis have no significant political power today. The means of violence is not justified by the threat of any potential outcome. How much collateral damage is acceptable for such little gain? Is harming a thousand innocent bystanders worth stopping one neo-nazi from standing in front of a library and yelling incoherent rubbish? How about ten innocent bystanders for five neo-nazis? There are consequences for your actions, you cannot just magically round up all the people who think a certain way and punish them. You have the weigh the consequences, the potential harm versus the potential gain.[/QUOTE] Is 50 people being gunned down in a night club enough justification to ban all Muslim people from the country? No? Then how is a small contingent of neo-nazis enough justification to order open season on anyone with conservative beliefs?

I can't believe there are a bunch of idiots in here that want to go beat up right-winged groups who actually use peaceful protest as their platform. Yall, should seriously consider how badly you just trample over democracy and go right back to being a fascist yourself. Good job strengthening the resolve of the Fascists. You win by attrition of their ideas no longer being appealing instead of giving them more evidence of a society going to hell in regressive leftism they advocate with.

[QUOTE=axelord157;50602096][Communists defending the rights of all people][/QUOTE] Are you joking or are you really that delusional? [QUOTE=axelord157;50602096] Yes, post more antifa pics beating up on the poor, downtrodden nazis. Also, I posted that pic of the fascists to contradict the "peaceful nazi rally" horseshit. They came looking for a bloody fight, and left bloody from a fight.[/QUOTE] Okay. Here's Antifa stealing from a reporter and attacking her cameraman. [media]https://youtu.be/IEyBaBEQLM4[/media]

why don't we just dump all of the antifa cunts and the nazi cunts onto an island in the middle of the pacific ocean then they can have fun stabbing each other and the rest of us can just continue not being brain dead imbeciles who're incapable of solving problems without knives

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50601835]You're the only one talking about killing them... They should be intimated into not demonstrating. I don't feel sympathy for people who advocate for a police state where every gay nightclub is burned down.[/QUOTE] pray tell, how would you intimidate them without making it clear that by demonstrating their lives are in danger.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50602152]why don't we just dump all of the antifa cunts and the nazi cunts onto an island in the middle of the pacific ocean then they can have fun stabbing each other and the rest of us can just continue not being brain dead imbeciles who're incapable of solving problems without knives[/QUOTE] As long as the people that advocate for this sort of violence can go with them. Let them enjoy that kind of living.

[QUOTE=axelord157;50602096]Antifa beating up on the poor, downtrodden nazis. Also, I posted that pic of the fascists to contradict the "peaceful nazi rally" horseshit. They came looking for a bloody fight, and left bloody from a fight.[/QUOTE] If you consider somebody just standing around 'asking for it', then sure. Although you'd also have to ignore (which you've been pretty good at so far) the innocent bystanders who get caught out in the crossfire. I guess that's just entirely justifiable collateral damage, huh? Once again you dodge the question, how many innocent people should it be acceptable to harm in order to stop one neo-nazi from babbling incoherently outside a public library?

Do you know how black musician Daryl Davis caused the Maryland branch of the KKK to fall apart? He became friends with their leaders. He didn't get angry and violent and smash their fucking heads with a bat and stabbed them during their white supremacy rallies. He talked to them, found that their prejudices came from brainwashing as a youth, and showed them how they could be wrong. When you attack a white supremacist, they become a martyr. So yeah, continue to say "it is okay to attack these nazis because they advocate hate." And they'll get stronger. Or you could talk to them, find out why they think the way they do, and show them that they're wrong. Nah, too hard. Where's my bandanna, hoodie, and knife?

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;50601982]It'll make them expand in number because they'll notice a contradictory nature behind your actions. If you're incapable of simply follow your original principles, then why is anyone else obligated to follow them?[/QUOTE] It's not contradictory. It's a matter of them starting trouble where there previously wasn't any, and other people not liking this about them and deciding to stand up against them in reaction. [i]They[/i] try to spin it as being contradictory to get people to join them ("We're being oppressed! Look how terrible it is!"), but anybody with half a brain can see the problem is with them for being a horde of violent, racist assholes who think whites are better than everybody else. And those of us who actually have to deal with the consequences of their beliefs (my father's family is made up entirely of Shia Persian immigrants; the right wing is becoming more and more of an issue for us) certainly know better. Or should we just allow this behavior to continue unchecked? Because like it or not, it's becoming more and more of an issue in the United States today. Trump's campaign has helped to stir things up. Doing nothing about it is not going to make it go away, ignoring it will not make it go away either. You're not proposing any solutions here. [QUOTE=Thlis;50601986]So would the neo-nazis be justified in killing communists but not the communists killing neo-nazis? Because communism has a higher death count that nazism, and under your stone age reasoning the communists and neo-nazis would already be planning to kill each other on the streets anyways.[/QUOTE] Communists and Nazis are and always have been mortal enemies. And no, as far as death count goes, they're actually quite comparable to each other considering National Socialism was responsible for starting the Second World War, which in Europe alone killed tens of millions of people-- not to mention the ethno-Fascism of the Japanese that killed tens of millions of people too. Between 60 million and 85 million people died, and it was the bloodiest conflict in all of human history. Having said that, they are not comparable ideologies-- even if the histories behind them are. Communism is not inherently violent and does not preach something as ridiculous as racial violence; National Socialism is and does. Fascism is the same way; it revolves around war, making heroes, fostering imperialistic attitudes, and so on. Your pointless hypotheticals are exactly that: pointless. The Antifascist crowd is not made up of any one exclusive ideological group-- not Communists, not Socialists, etc. The main thing that brings them together is the realization that in a modern Western society such as the United States that's supposed to revolve around equality and liberty and peace, it is impossible to tolerate ideologies which are themselves inherently intolerant and oppressive and violent-- and therefore contradict everything we're supposed to stand for. [QUOTE=Zyler;50601992]No, in this case the AntiFa people attacked first. Not that it matters anyway because AntiFa justifies using violence in all cases and not just in self defense. And just to make it extra clear, THAT'S the reason I disagree with them, not because I think neo-nazis are nice people.[/QUOTE] But in plenty of other cases, the neo-Nazis and Fascists have attacked first. Again, right-wing extremism in the United States is and has been an issue for a long time now, and it's been responsible for everything from sporadic shooting sprees that have cropped up to terrorist attacks and plots. As I said before, even our own government considers it a significant enough issue that they invest a lot of energy and resources into investigating and infiltrating it. These kinds of reactions from the left meanwhile are natural social-defensive responses to their extremism that's been a problem for decades now-- whether we're talking the problems that have been had with the Klu Klux Klan, the American Nazi Party and individuals like George Lincoln Rockwell, the American National Socialist Movement, The Order/Silent Brotherhood, etc.

if you are going to advocate the use of violence to beat fascism you better be ready to grab your guns and shoot them yourselves because they sure as fuck will be glad to shoot you [editline]26th June 2016[/editline] a lot of you here seem to want war, i hope you are ready to die fighting in it

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;50602177]Do you know how black musician Daryl Davis caused the Maryland branch of the KKK to fall apart? He became friends with their leaders. He didn't get angry and violent and smash their fucking heads with a bat and stabbed them during their white supremacy rallies. He talked to them, found that their prejudices came from brainwashing as a youth, and showed them how they could be wrong. When you attack a white supremacist, they become a martyr. So yeah, continue to say "it is okay to attack these nazis because they advocate hate." And they'll get stronger. Or you could talk to them, find out why they think the way they do, and show them that they're wrong. Nah, too hard. Where's my bandanna, baseball cap, and knife?[/QUOTE] no, that's fucking stupid and daryl davis is an idiot retard the best thing to do is obviously stab them until they stop being nazis if enough communists attack the militant racial supremacists who believe america is under attack by communists then eventually they'll stop believing they're under attack by communists and then they'll give up if you think confirming their fears and turning them into the clear victim isn't the best way to get rid of them then you must be stupid pal