Multiple people stabbed at Sacramento far-right rally & counter-protest - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Octavius;50602649] Gonna let you know that his post didn't say that (Note the willing, not actively using). You may want to go get your reading skills checked. Or maybe you need glasses, who knows?[/QUOTE] Reading these posts requires some interpretation. I'm assuming that the logic used by the poster is logically consistent with the posts they've made prior even if the latest post isn't. It's less my reading skills and more that fact that I don't take things people write completely literally (and I don't think I should) and moreso attempt to understand the spirit within which they are written. [editline]27th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50602767]what level of violence would you say is appropriate, and under what circumstances? what would you yourself do?[/QUOTE] This.

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ITT: A bunch of antifa assholes who think they're right because the nazis hurt their feelings

[QUOTE=Govna;50601973]No, they wouldn't, because they were the ones who caused trouble in the first place-- not the Antifascists. How the fuck do people not understand this.[/QUOTE]... Except they were the ones who caused trouble in the first place. The "nazis" didn't even begin to demonstrate, a verbal action by the way, when the antifas showed up with violence. Any way you cut it the antifa counter-demonstrators caused trouble, [I]they[/I] are in the wrong. [QUOTE]It's not delusional, and you clearly know nothing about neo-Nazi movements here in the United States. For decades now, we've had serious problems with them. They've killed and attacked people before, plotted terrorist attacks.[/QUOTE]Going to stop you right here, [I]you're[/I] clearly the one who knows nothing because even when the White Nationionalists and Neo-Nazis were "big" they were so ineffective that a handful of FBI raids dissolved the movement and then the OKC bombing dissolved [U]all[/U] fringe groups on the right. (and some on the left) Neo-Nazis don't even have traction with the hardcore conservatives and they absolutely don't have traction with mainstream people; even admitting to being a [I]former[/I] Neo-Nazi gets a guy an unbelievable amount of shit both here and abroad. (because the only thing worse than a nazi is one who gives it up apparently) [QUOTE=Fouytan222;50602255]Obligatory reminder that Axelord said his dick got hard regarding a story where a mother murdered her two children.[/QUOTE]What relevance does this have on anything? It happened in another thread, nobody should give a shit even if it was extremely fucked in the head. [QUOTE=axelord157;50602448]Whats up with this "small and insignificant" groups claim? Do you people really think "small and insignificant" groups lead to Trump being the GOP forerunner? Small and insignificant groups can't do that, a large trend of authoritarianism and at worst, open fascist ideas lead to things like Trump.[/QUOTE]As I said above they truly are irrelevant these days, and I say that as somebody with very intimate and personal experience with all of this. They're not well-liked by just about everyone who's on the right, fringe or not, and I don't know if you remember this but the Neo-Nazis got run off when the Minutemen were in the news. You know, those guys patrolling the border and it made national headlines? Yeah, what you [I]didn't[/I] see was the same shit that happened with the militias: the "racially aware" were too crazy for easily excited gun enthusiasts and told to fuck off. So even the people you're citing don't like these guys, even if their interests may occasionally overlap because nazism is [U]immediately[/U] seen as anti-American. (and it is) I know it's hard to wrap your head around but the right isn't a hivemind, and what is often [I]perceived[/I] as the right definitely isn't. [QUOTE=Octavius;50602492]First of all, this whole "regressive left" idea is a new thing created by the right in order to demonize plain liberals, and make a crude and incorrect critique of them that can support their ideas.[/QUOTE]Oh please define "plain liberals" because I've used that term to describe safe space retards and people who think sexism against men and racism against white people are impossible because [I]reasons.[/I] I'm only somewhat right leaning by the way, you could more correctly call me a classical liberal than anything else. [QUOTE]Some Trump supporters are, and many more are leaning towards that. The debate over whether or not Trump or many of his supporters are, at this present moment, fascists is irrelevant. What matters in this situation is fascist movement which is breeding in and coming out of Trump and his supporters.[/QUOTE]Yes, after reading the posts you've made in this thread I can see how you think this is true. While I won't disagree that a surprising amount of people think authoritarianism is awesome and it's terrifying, I'm going to say right now that it is not at all a new development. People have been bleating for the government to solve all their problems for decades now and Trump's "we gotta stop them terrorists!!!" is just the latest iteration of that. For me I rank that equally with the "regressive leftists" out there who have their own brand of crazy, people so fucking retarded that they're arguing to bring back segregation. Yeah, I'd say that's just as regressive as giving the government a blank check to stomp on all our liberties all in the name of stopping "the terrorists" so I'm not going to try and draw a line between the two because it's all equally gross.

This thread is a great reminder to me why I left a militia recruiting group in the Southwest when I was younger. Fucking identity politics all around, be it left or right.

[QUOTE=Diet Kane;50602070]This thread is reeeeeally telling of a lot of the usual SH shitposters. Lots of true colors coming to light.[/QUOTE] Yeah when fascists rise to power we'll know who stood by and did nothing to stop them.

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50605328]Yeah when fascists rise to power we'll know who stood by and did nothing to stop them.[/QUOTE] More like they'll rise to power because of the dipshits who are comforting them in their ideology.

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50605328]Yeah when fascists rise to power we'll know who stood by and did nothing to stop them.[/QUOTE] Nice, bro. You gonna be wearing that sick Che Guevara shirt you bought at Hot Topic when you're waving the flag at the revolution?

[QUOTE=Diet Kane;50606324]Nice, bro. You gonna be wearing that sick Che Guevara shirt you bought at Hot Topic when you're waving the flag at the revolution?[/QUOTE] No I'm gonna be too busy making sure neo-Nazis can assemble in public and discuss how much they like gassing the kikes. What could possibly go wrong?

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50606517]No I'm gonna be too busy making sure neo-Nazis can assemble in public and discuss how much they like gassing the kikes. What could possibly go wrong?[/QUOTE] They have the right to be dickheads in public and on the other side of it we have the right to ridicule (or simply ignore) their backwards ideology. Unless there is a [url=https://www.loc.gov/law/help/peaceful-assembly/us.php]clear and present danger of riot, disorder, interference of traffic, or immediate threat to public safety/order,[/url] then their assembly is allowed. Simply verbalizing a violent ideology does not qualify as an immediate threat or danger of riot/disorder, so far as I understand the law in this case.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;50606749]They have the right to be dickheads in public and on the other side of it we have the right to ridicule (or simply ignore) their backwards ideology. Unless there is a [url=https://www.loc.gov/law/help/peaceful-assembly/us.php]clear and present danger of riot, disorder, interference of traffic, or immediate threat to public safety/order,[/url] then their assembly is allowed. Simply verbalizing a violent ideology does not qualify as an immediate threat or danger of riot/disorder, so far as I understand the law in this case.[/QUOTE] You're correct under the current laws, but I would argue that an inherently violent and racist ideology like National Socialism carries an implicit threat to public safety by the very nature of its practice in public. You can argue that it's not an [I]imminent[/I] threat but I think this is something that should be legally culpable because assembling in public and saying we should claim America for the whites and how Jews are subhumans that ruin everything is an implicit call to violent action. I think it's wrong that we have to wait for them to explicitly say "gas the kikes" before we take any legal action, which is why groups like AntiFa take matters into their own hands. And for the record I don't support AntiFa in this since they were the ones who initially escalated the rally into a violent brawl, but I do support counter-demonstrations and opposing neo-Nazis at every opportunity, because ignoring them is very dangerous.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50601835]You're the only one talking about killing them... They should be intimated into not demonstrating. I don't feel sympathy for people who advocate for a police state where every gay nightclub is burned down.[/QUOTE] Dude this kind of behavior makes the problem WORSE. They exist. They are bad. Having them be OPEN about their racism keeps them a target for derision, silencing and intimidating them just ingrains their beliefs and pushes it OUT of the public eye- where it can fester and become seriously dangerous, both in momentum of spread and gravity of action. [editline]27th June 2016[/editline] Honestly I'm severely disappointed that even HERE you'll find people building strawmen for the purpose of tearing down free speech. Part of the reason you have free speech is because it prevents this stuff from going from bad to worse, suppressing a person only makes them more entrenched. Get your heads out of your asses and think with your brain instead of your emotions, for fucks sake.

It's okay to intimidate these people, they're racist. It's okay to beat these people up, they're sexist. It's okay to stab these people, it was justified, what are you a fascist? It's okay to execute these people, they're Nazis. By what terms? Ours. Do you not see where this is going to go?

So many fuckin children in this forum who just view nazis as 'Bad Guys' so they justify beating the shit out of them. I'm not defending nazis, I'm opposing the idea of that you should use violence against a group that isn't having a violent protest because they've done terrible things in the past, regardless how bad. And I mean the movement, not the individuals.