• Mars One teams up with Lockheed Martin and SSTL to develop technology to colonize Mars by 2025
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[QUOTE=Geeray;43176344] The first 3 crews will be there permanently, or at least until they die. [/QUOTE] Isn't that the same thing? :v:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43176376]Isn't that the same thing? :v:[/QUOTE] Hey, to them it is :v:. I'm sure there will be plenty of people to replace them, and possibility for people to reproduce up there as well.
I'm going.
[QUOTE=Vilusia;43173493]I still don't know why we don't already have a self substaining colony on the moon or mars..[/QUOTE] Because it's hard and costs a lot of money. There's so many questions that needs to be answered before we should even attempt to colonize a place like that. Some example: How would a fetus develop in a low gravity environment such as the Moon or Mars? How would the isolation affect the people up there? And so on...
Not to mention people born in Moon or Mars cannot ever come to Earth because their bones would not be strong enough for Earth gravity. That is unless there are some unknown factors and benefactors that could allow normal bone growth and strength in lower gravity. Personally it wouldn't stop me from going to Mars though. Not permanently that is.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;43178896]Because it's hard and costs a lot of money. There's so many questions that needs to be answered before we should even attempt to colonize a place like that. Some example: How would a fetus develop in a low gravity environment such as the Moon or Mars? How would the isolation affect the people up there? And so on...[/QUOTE] Imagine the ping to fp from mars...
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;43170507]A company must have the balls to find a way to mine asteroids, and governments would be all over that shit[/QUOTE] I have a cunning plan to have people invest money into my scheme to build a space drill, a big rocket ship, and a crew of pilots that are trained to operate the said drill, then shoot them and the equipment into space onto a meteoroid and mine it. I say, "... meteoroid..." As it would be much closer to Earth than an asteroid. We're going to drill deep into that heathen precious metal. Ha, ha! ... Deep!
[QUOTE=Dakiin Dovah;43179590]I have a cunning plan to have people invest money into my scheme to build a space drill, a big rocket ship, and a crew of pilots that are trained to operate the said drill, then shoot them and the equipment into space onto a meteoroid and mine it. I say, "... meteoroid..." As it would be much closer to Earth than an asteroid. We're going to drill deep into that heathen precious metal. Ha, ha! ... Deep![/QUOTE] It's not a meteoroid until it hits Earth's surface.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;43179727]It's not a meteoroid until it hits Earth's surface.[/QUOTE] That's a meteor.
[QUOTE=Dakiin Dovah;43179749]That's a meteor.[/QUOTE] Woop sorry, got confused between meteoroid and meteorite again. A meteor is while it's burning up in the atmosphere though. Point still stands though, it doesn't turn from an asteroid to a meteoroid because it gets close to Earth, meteoroids are much smaller than asteroids (small grains up to ~1m-sized).
[QUOTE=LarparNar;43179856]Woop sorry, got confused between meteoroid and meteorite again. A meteor is while it's burning up in the atmosphere though. Point still stands though, it doesn't turn from an asteroid to a meteoroid because it gets close to Earth, meteoroids are much smaller than asteroids (small grains up to ~1m-sized).[/QUOTE] A meteoroid is usually closer to Earth than an Asteroid as the latter are in their respective belt.
[QUOTE=Dakiin Dovah;43180002]A meteoroid is usually closer to Earth than an Asteroid as the latter are in their respective belt.[/QUOTE] The difference between meteoroids and asteroids have nothing to do with vicinity to Earth, I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Asteroids aren't all in the asteroid belt either, if you thought that.
Why do we want to colonize mars exactly? Whats on it that we need so much to start living there. I get the whole "technology advancements thing" but still. Living on mars for reasons other than the hey look we are taking the first steps to advanced space colonizing at this rate it will be star trek after a while seems kinda pointless. Unless there is no point exactly
[QUOTE=Mysterious Mr.E;43180348]Why do we want to colonize mars exactly? Whats on it that we need so much to start living there. I get the whole "technology advancements thing" but still. Living on mars for reasons other than the hey look we are taking the first steps to advanced space colonizing at this rate it will be star trek after a while seems kinda pointless. Unless there is no point exactly[/QUOTE] A colony isn't just "oh let's live there, it'll be nice", if we want to do long term studies involving a person going to Mars, having a colony or just a base to sustain living will be necessary
I think a lot of people seem to assume that we [i]need[/i] to be in space. That asteroid that killed the dinosaurs? Life survived. If we had more deep-sea technologies (technologies that also translate to space incredibly well) and better green policies we wouldn't need a base on Luna or Mars to survive an asteroid impact, the planet is like 70% water. If we and I broadly use the term fix to include but not be limited to: further development of meteorological sciences to better predict and understand the weather, better environmentally friendly fuel sources, preventing further acidification of the sea, restoring stocks of wildlife especially those that are farmed to sustainable levels, slowing the rate of global warming to pre-industrial levels, exploration of the sea bed and development of technologies to do so including colonisation attempts, improvement of the understanding of the geological composition of the earth and so forth the Earth then we'll be in a better position to understand our world, and how to colonise other worlds in our solar system.
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;43182154]That asteroid that killed the dinosaurs? Life survived.[/QUOTE] This may sound a bit selfish, but I don't particularly care if life in general survives; on that the human race does.
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;43170601]I'd rather know what was in our own oceans and how to fix our planet before worrying about taking over other planets.[/QUOTE] god buzzkill much
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;43182154]I think a lot of people seem to assume that we [i]need[/i] to be in space. That asteroid that killed the dinosaurs? Life survived. If we had more deep-sea technologies (technologies that also translate to space incredibly well) and better green policies we wouldn't need a base on Luna or Mars to survive an asteroid impact, the planet is like 70% water. If we and I broadly use the term fix to include but not be limited to: further development of meteorological sciences to better predict and understand the weather, better environmentally friendly fuel sources, preventing further acidification of the sea, restoring stocks of wildlife especially those that are farmed to sustainable levels, slowing the rate of global warming to pre-industrial levels, exploration of the sea bed and development of technologies to do so including colonisation attempts, improvement of the understanding of the geological composition of the earth and so forth the Earth then we'll be in a better position to understand our world, and how to colonise other worlds in our solar system.[/QUOTE] Seems like an unnecessary step when we could just jump directly into our destiny.
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;43170483]I would give my entire life to a cause like this. You have no idea how happy it makes me for this sort of development to be happening; this is the direction human kind should be headed towards.[/QUOTE] ... incoming radical ideology emphasizing space travel in 3... 2.. 1...
incoming typical statement declaring humanity should fix up the earth before moving out to another world
Unless it can be made self sufficient AND grow, IE Adding structures and habitable room, I don't see a reason for colonizing. Visiting temporarily, sure. But permanent colonies? Not just yet I'm all for colonizing it, I just don't see a reason to do it yet until those who are on the planet can develop it without *constant* support from earth.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;43187730]Unless it can be made self sufficient AND grow, IE Adding structures and habitable room, I don't see a reason for colonizing. Visiting temporarily, sure. But permanent colonies? Not just yet I'm all for colonizing it, I just don't see a reason to do it yet until those who are on the planet can develop it without *constant* support from earth.[/QUOTE] How else does one get all that stuff done but by getting people there to build and grow?
[QUOTE=DBFT;43187400]incoming typical statement declaring humanity should fix up the earth before moving out to another world[/QUOTE] Heh, I never said a radical ideology promoting space travel was a bad thing.
This is some hyper-aggressive expectations. Going from mission concept studies (which looking at their price point are probably pretty basic) to a proof of concept launch in 4ish years seems unrealistic. I'm still not altogether convinced that mars-one is legit.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43183025]This may sound a bit selfish, but I don't particularly care if life in general survives; on that the human race does.[/QUOTE] Humanity relies on the existence of other forms of life in order to stay alive though. So it's not really selfish, just silly to say. [QUOTE=IrishBandit;43183464]Seems like an unnecessary step when we could just jump directly into our destiny.[/QUOTE] What's to say humanity is ever going to colonise the universe? We're nowhere near ready to do that either. Hell we can't even treat each other as human beings or feed each other as a race properly yet.
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;43190390]Humanity relies on the existence of other forms of life in order to stay alive though. So it's not really selfish, just silly to say. What's to say humanity is ever going to colonise the universe? We're nowhere near ready to do that either. Hell we can't even treat each other as human beings or feed each other as a race properly yet.[/QUOTE] So just because we aren't ready now we shouldn't prepare for the future? If we had that mentality we would of never expanded around the globe.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43174424]So in other words the planning will be done in 2025, construction will start in 2050, and humans will be there permanently in 2100[/QUOTE] Fine by me. That's a pretty damn fast timescale. Get off Earth 50 years ago, permanent colony in another hundred? 150 years ago we were just developing the lighbulb.
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;43190390]Humanity relies on the existence of other forms of life in order to stay alive though. So it's not really selfish, just silly to say. [/QUOTE] I think you missed my point. I don't care if all other life lives if humanity does not. It's common sense that other forms of life would obviously have to live with us for us to survive.
[QUOTE=ripsipiirakk;43178929]Not to mention people born in Moon or Mars cannot ever come to Earth because their bones would not be strong enough for Earth gravity. That is unless there are some unknown factors and benefactors that could allow normal bone growth and strength in lower gravity. Personally it wouldn't stop me from going to Mars though. Not permanently that is.[/QUOTE] all you would have to do would have weighted bands on each limb which would bring you back to the same levels of resistance that we meet on earth. not rocket science
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;43193674]all you would have to do would have weighted bands on each limb which would bring you back to the same levels of resistance that we meet on earth. [B]not rocket science[/B][/QUOTE] Well, actually... :v:
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