• Girl jumps from multi-storey car park - people take pictures
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[QUOTE=Happy Days;24002371]Wrong, my friend it is not your right to commit suicide.[/QUOTE] There are many cases where I (and most of Facepunch) would disagree with you. Terminal illness, chronic pain, the list goes on. Everyone is saying that it's selfish to kill yourself but I think it's more selfish to make someone live in pain just because you can't handle loss.
[QUOTE=jantz;23995910]Because 95% of people are assholes.[/QUOTE] 100%, everyone just thinks they aren't. No, don't bother saying I think I'm special in thinking this, I'm not. Or this. fuck it
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[QUOTE=Arachnidus;23997109]They're SUPPOSED to do that, they're fucking news channels. And if they're there, help has arrived. Random fuckheads doing this is fucking disgusting. I'd like to see all these people in serious injury on the verge of death, and watch as everyone looks and nobody helps.[/QUOTE] Who is to say that someone hadn't called for help already? And as far as I can remember there are some news whose footage shown was only possible thanks to those fuckheads that stand by filming / taking pictures with their phones. Life isn't the movies, there isn't some random hero that will pop out of the crowd and save the day, and chances are the girl would have jumped had there been people watching or not, it's not like they stood there yelling "JUMP JUMP JUMP".
[QUOTE=Zeddy;24001825] Learn to read.[/QUOTE] "My point doesn't make sense. It must be everyone else's fault!" Just admit you started of with the wrong phrasing and start over rather than digging your hole so deep. [QUOTE=Warhol;24002928]I REALLY REALLY want to argue against this, but a friend of mine killed himself and from personal experience it is selfish and could have been rehabilitated. I still think the right to death is still a right.[/QUOTE] I agree with you. Everyone has the right to kill themselves. The problem, i use that term lightly, is that they aren't often considerate of what killing themselves will actually do. Most suicidal people will think that nobody cares about them or wants them which factors heavily in their decision, it's only after they've done it that people get very upset, if they had the forethought to see that then they probably would have gotten help. Though it's not their fault for not seeing it, often they suffer from depression which will stop them seeing supportive actions and focus on the negatives in their lives. :( Basically it's that persons right but it's selfish because of how drastically it effects others. Yes it may seem unfair that you have to live for others happiness, but that's life. Humans aren't singular entities, we all work as part of communities.
[QUOTE=Hallucinate;24007843]Humans aren't singular entities, we all work as part of communities.[/QUOTE] That would be a valid argument against suicide if there weren't nearly seven billion of us.
[QUOTE=Hallucinate;24007843] Yes it may seem unfair that you have to live for others happiness, but that's life. [/QUOTE] That's an example of you being selfish, that someone has to live even if they don't want to just so [B]you[/B] can be happy. Hypocrisy
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24008419]That's an example of you being selfish, that someone has to live even if they don't want to just so [B]you[/B] can be happy. Hypocrisy[/QUOTE] I know it's hideous double standards but that's the whole problem with an arguement like this. :/
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;24004748]lol aren't you that fuck who suggested that the government collect child porn and sell them to pedos?[/QUOTE] Just ignore him..Ive seen his posts before and I don't think he's capable of posting something that isn't completely moronic.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;23997110]I seriously do not think this applies. Why? Because they were taking fucking pictures, instead of dialing a simple 911,[/QUOTE] Sounds related to the Kitty Genovese case where 38 people saw the murder occur, but didn't call 911.
So being excluded from a group of friends is bullying?
[QUOTE=Hallucinate;24008471]I know it's hideous double standards but that's the whole problem with an arguement like this. :/[/QUOTE] You acknowledge that the argument has a fatal problem yet you make it anyway?
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24009064]You acknowledge that the argument has a fatal problem yet you make it anyway?[/QUOTE] That's why I'm here!
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;23996198]This doesn't necessarily mean that they're assholes. I remember seeing a special on 9/11 and some of the calmest people were ones who were running around with video cameras. They were able to distance themselves from the situation and avoid panic. It's possible that these kids were assholes but they might not have known how to deal with it. If you're gonna stand around a dead body you can at least pretend that you're doing it for a reason. Rather than to just be there.[/QUOTE] Yes but it was their job to get as much evidence as possible, by distancing themeselves they not only prevented themselves from breaking down, but they also allowed the rest of america to express their concern and sadness as the events were unfolding. Besides, many emergency services also have to distance themselves while acting concerned.
[QUOTE=BmB;23995956]Well if you can't save her at least document it. Why is this bad? I can see if they encouraged her to jump, or were taking pictures instead of calling emergency services that it might be bad, but just taking a picture when nothing else could be done?[/QUOTE] I disagree with you, but at least you aren't being immature about it.
What's wrong with people nowadays? "Hurrr that girl is gonna herself but why do i have to care, it's not my problem durr." :downs:
wheres the pictures?
humanity is fucked to begin with
no offense but this makes me think about this: [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GwDYFxb8piY/RuVv2YIHNaI/AAAAAAAAAxo/XUO_PSVhEv8/s1600/9_11_jumpers.jpg[/img] this image always makes me feel sad :( this image is from 9/11. these are the "jumpers".
[QUOTE=Acesarge;24000691]What would you do if you saw someone with sever injuries laying on the street aside from call an ambulance? Most people know what to do when they see something like this happen aside from call 911. Even if she had jumped off a parking garage in a trauma centers parking lot she still would have died.[/QUOTE] If I saw someone in that position, I'd honestly call 911, run over and try to provide medical/emotional assistance as much as possible. I'm first aid certified, and even if I wasn't, there are a few basics people can do to aid someone in these situations. Hell, just calming the person down would work. She wasn't dead when she until a few minutes after she hit the ground. That means she could be saved. [editline]02:54PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mega1mpact;24014906]no offense but this makes me think about this: -pics- this image always makes me feel sad :( this image is from 9/11. these are the "jumpers".[/QUOTE] These are two completely different circumstances
[QUOTE=Doriol;23998499]I don't understand the outrage. Nothing could have been done to save her life. Besides, if she wanted to off herself, why bother?[/QUOTE] I want to but I just can't :saddowns:
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;24015014]If I saw someone in that position, I'd honestly call 911, run over and try to provide medical/emotional assistance as much as possible. I'm first aid certified, and even if I wasn't, there are a few basics people can do to aid someone in these situations. Hell, just calming the person down would work. She wasn't dead when she until a few minutes after she hit the ground. That means she could be saved.[/QUOTE] You say you would but it's anyone's guess. The bystander effect, which I posted a few pages back. I'm surprised people are still shocked when this happens. It's simply a flaw in our psychology that we need to come to terms with.
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;24015014] These are two completely different circumstances[/QUOTE] i know but they still do suicide by jumping and there is nothing anyone could do :crying:
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;23996076]She invited her bf to watch, she's evil.[/QUOTE] She was probably looking for sympathy, or crying out for help.
Not only does this article make me sick, so do the people in this thread defending those assholes.
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[QUOTE=Zeddy;24001365]Its her right. I'm not going to try to stop her from killing herself. You make the decision, you pay the consequences. No one put a gun to her head and told her to jump. If you get in a car accident while driving, you're paying the consequences of driving a car. If you get arrested because you mugged a guy, you are paying the consequences. You accept the risks when you carry out an action. You can avoid those risks entirely by not carrying out that action, but if you do, then its on your head.[/QUOTE] But what if she was making a mistake? A lot of people turn to suicide when they have no need for it. They could take their life away when they have so much more to live for.
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;24015014]If I saw someone in that position, I'd honestly call 911, run over and try to provide medical/emotional assistance as much as possible. I'm first aid certified, and even if I wasn't, there are a few basics people can do to aid someone in these situations. Hell, just calming the person down would work. She wasn't dead when she until a few minutes after she hit the ground. That means she could be saved. [editline]02:54PM[/editline] These are two completely different circumstances[/QUOTE] "Her former boyfriend rushed to her side but she had suffered massive head injuries and was declared dead in hospital shortly afterwards." She had a head injury so there really isn't much you could do other then keep her still and give her oxygen(if you carry it in your car). Like I said before she could have fallen in front a trauma center and she would probably have still died.
they took pictures? what the flying fuck, can they be arrested somehow for that?
[QUOTE=BmB;23995956]Well if you can't save her at least document it. Why is this bad? I can see if they encouraged her to jump, or were taking pictures instead of calling emergency services that it might be bad, but just taking a picture when nothing else could be done?[/QUOTE] When nothing can be done you step back and give room to the people that actually do shit. Yes, it's natural to look, but take photos? What?
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