Poll: Trump beats Hillary, Sanders head-to-head - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Monkah;48654764]Would still vote for Trump over Clinton.[/QUOTE] WHY? Okay, sure Hillary is a dishonest lying cunt, BUT SO IS EVERY OTHER FUCKING POLITICIAN! INCLUDING TRUMP! Hell Bernie Sanders may even be in that category as well. Why would you throw away a relatively decent Candidate for one that is complete fucking shit when they are both lacking in the honesty department? Seriously? [editline]10th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48654844]The reason I won't vote for bernie is because to me he seems like he would be addressing more social issues than economical. Right now, I am more concerned about the economy over the next 4 years than I am of social issues.[/QUOTE] That's fine, just for the love of god, do not vote Trump. He is not the solution to your problems. Trickle-Down economics will never work, and considering that he's had several businesses that have failed, his economics are shit.

[QUOTE=Rocko's;48654885]But he has a poor track in all other categories. He can be the best person to fix our economy and debt, but I don't trust him in a position of power with the way he acts.[/QUOTE] Ignoring the question of whether he's really all that great at business, that a business and a national economy are entirely different beats, that national prosperity is a major concern for any president, and that being extra concerned doesn't really affect how much they can actually do about it.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48654911] That's fine, just for the love of god, do not vote Trump. He is not the solution to your problems. Trickle-Down economics will never work, and considering that he's had several businesses that have failed, his economics are shit.[/QUOTE] Trickle down works, it just does not work well for unskilled labor, which I have very little problem with. Yes when you do business often some investments won't work out, no one in business ever has a 100% track record of success, and he is miles ahead of others in economics.

Trickle down only works for rich people. as in it doesn't work If you want the lower classes to have more spending money to get the economy going more, then why not just cut taxes to them directly? We [I]had[/I] tax cuts for the rich during G.W. Bush's years. The average wages for people not directly affected by the cuts didn't even budge.

[QUOTE=Last or First;48655025]Trickle down only works for rich people. as in it doesn't work If you want the lower classes to have more spending money to get the economy going more, then why not just cut taxes to them directly? We [I]had[/I] tax cuts for the rich during G.W. Bush's years. The average wages for people not directly affected by the cuts didn't even budge.[/QUOTE] Republicans and conservatives are for cutting taxes for everyone, including the Bush tax cuts. There's a reason Obama had to put a stipulation that he was only allowing tax cuts for people making over $250 thousand to expire.

[QUOTE=sgman91;48655047]Republicans and conservatives are for cutting taxes for everyone, including the Bush tax cuts. There's a reason Obama had to put a stipulation that he was only allowing tax cuts for people making over $250 thousand to expire.[/QUOTE] Yes, but didn't we cut the Rich's taxes much more than the Poor?

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48655062]Yes, but didn't we cut the Rich's taxes much more than the Poor?[/QUOTE] The percentages were almost equal. They all went down from 3-4%. They also added higher tax credits for children, and other similar things, which help the poor far more than the rich, and lastly it created a new minimum tax bracket which solely helps the poor and middle class. Sure, the rich got a bigger absolute cut, but that's because they were paying for more in the first place. As a percent of income it's basically the same. ([URL]http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/bush-tax-cuts/2001.cfm[/URL])

[QUOTE=KennethKaniff;48654671]It was strategic bankruptcy, the man himself never went bankrupt[/QUOTE] Then how about the airline he drove straight into the ground with some of the worst business strategies ever conceived in the industry?

[QUOTE=Code3Response;48654197]Celebrate by renoucing my citizenship to the US and moving to Europe[/QUOTE] I'm not for any candidate in particular to be honest but this is exactly what republicans said when Obama was going to be elected, and it's laughable that people would actually leave a country over a president.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48654911]WHY? Okay, sure Hillary is a dishonest lying cunt, BUT SO IS EVERY OTHER FUCKING POLITICIAN! INCLUDING TRUMP! Hell Bernie Sanders may even be in that category as well. Why would you throw away a relatively decent Candidate for one that is complete fucking shit when they are both lacking in the honesty department? Seriously?[/QUOTE] Trump is [I]more[/I] honest than Clinton and has a firm understanding of economics. I'd much rather have a billionaire than have a law-school graduate as the person to fix our economy. I'd probably even vote Trump over Sanders, seeing how the latter plans to pull a $15 minimum wage out of his ass. All in all, my personal opinion for the best possible president would be Paul. His father was a genius, and he himself is actually electable. [QUOTE=Holt!;48654788]Rand Paul 2016 woo[/QUOTE] A Paul supporter!? On Facepunch? Holy smokes. [QUOTE=TornadoAP;48654911] That's fine, just for the love of god, do not vote Trump. He is not the solution to your problems. Trickle-Down economics will never work, and considering that he's had several businesses that have failed, his economics are shit.[/QUOTE] Trickle-down economics have a[I] history [/I]of working (see: Reagan era)-- though they won't work in this specific scenario until the corruption in both business and politics are thwarted. Say what you want about his companies, but Trump himself stayed a very wealthy man from what he did. You can call him whatever you want, but you can't deny that he has a firm understanding of business and economics.

The sad part is that they are likely correct. I have met more open Trump supporters than any other candidate. Truth is, people are dump. Like, [I]really dumb.[/I] They will vote for this real-life supervillain just because they all know his name, they've all seen him on TV, and they think he is funny. Politics is a joke, a glorified reality TV show, so it is no surprise this fuckwad is winning. I am appalled. I have literally considered moving to Canada if this asshat wins because quite frankly Trump is a monster. I honestly hope he just fucking dies before election day or something. [editline]11th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=da space core;48654751]he also dumber, more belligerent, and more of a jerk. many qualities a president shouldnt have[/QUOTE] He's also a bigot, racist,and all around terrible person. He demonstrates that he has zero grasp on actual economic issues, preferring to blame them on the Mexicans or Chinese. How one man can be so factually wrong about everything and still gain support is beyond me and to be honest JohnFisher you should be disgusted. It isn't often that I feel contempt for somebody because they want to vote for a certain candidate, but in Trump's case voting for him displays an exceptional level of ignorance. If you want to vote on economic issues, he is not your guy. Trump would make this country's economy implode harder than Bush.

Make sure to register to vote people so turkeys like Trump and Hillary won't win this election!

[QUOTE=hippowombat;48654749]Wait is Jinx for or against Trump His post says no His Trump Sexface Avatar says yes I am so confuse[/QUOTE] The only thing his avatar says yes to is a steamy night alone with him

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48654955]Trickle down works[/QUOTE] Bahahaha No, no it doesn't. It has consistently not worked for the last 30 years for anybody but the absurdly wealthy. [editline]jabaib[/editline] Is it too late to cast my vote for DEEZ NUTZ? Because I'd rather have a joke candidate than basically any of the current likely winners.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;48654799]Which wouldn't be such a problem if that wasn't the exact reason people are voting for him. That, and asinine businesses analogies.[/QUOTE] Oh, forgot the third reason: "He has his own money, so he isn't accountable to corporate interests! (So I'll vote for an amoral corporate scumbag directly!)"

Just say fuck it and get Trump in the White House just to see what he does.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48654844]The reason I won't vote for bernie is because to me he seems like he would be addressing more social issues than economical. Right now, I am more concerned about the economy over the next 4 years than I am of social issues.[/QUOTE] Absolutely ridiculous, Bernie is addressing precisely economic issues. Economic income inequality and a new infrastructure project nationwide.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48654380]Basically here's what happened with trump: When Obama got elected, a bunch of racist guys called the tea party got all pissy about it and elected a bunch of evangelical nutjobs to congress in retaliation. These evangelists then decided to do [i]absolutely nothing[/i] for the last like, 5 years. As a result, people got pretty pissed off at the entire political system, regardless of the fact that it's been a republican house that has deliberately fucked progress in the US. So, when political cynicism gets really REALLY bad, and we lose all faith in the government and political system of the USA, the American people decide "fuck it, let's elect the worst possible candidate to president; the orange guy who says stupid racist shit from that TV show. That will show the government that we're really pissed off at them!" As a result, the American political system becomes even more of a joke since apparently any idiot who says stupid shit can get elected, so why the fuck not elect a 10 foot tall dildo or a porn star or the ghost of fucking Richard Nixon. basically, Donald Trump is the death knell of democracy in America and only proves that most Americans are in fact fucking idiots.[/QUOTE] You avatar fits: [IMG]https://facepunch.com/image.php?u=187525&dateline=1440766436[/IMG]"I'm out. Ciao!" If Trump wins, I'm waiting half a year before I do anything. I'm not moving out of my home because we get one nut in office. I dealt with a nut of a professor once; had to drop out because every work we did had to be all about how she sees things. I want Sanders to win, but what does Mr. Trump want to do with citizens with mental health conditions, vaccines, and anything related?

[QUOTE=ThePanther;48654230]Wow, is the republican party really that weak right now? If it becomes Trump VS Bernie, than I think it'll be an easy win for Bernie.[/QUOTE] Not as easy as you might think, the people who love Trump (for whatever conceivable reason they can muster) are still stuck on that "BUT HE'S A SOCIALIST!" shtick. [QUOTE=J!NX;48654626]idk about you but anyone who thinks a man whose casino went bankrupt 5 times in a row can run a country may just be [I]stupid[/I].[/QUOTE] 4 times actually, and all so that they could write off their bank loans. So if you maintain the belief that his business' went bankrupt 4 times, then it shows that you think he's just bad at managing money. If you're more inclined to believe the Chapter 11 "Get-Out-Of-Debt-Free" scam, then it goes to show that he's a sleaze-ball who will play the system to get his way. Whichever one sounds worse is up to opinion but I personally think both are pretty terrible. [QUOTE=Propane Addict;48654698]Looking for a good laugh? Read the comment section on that website. It's probably the best I've ever seen. Something is telling me this might be a biased website.[/QUOTE] Those sorts of sites are pure cancer, right down to the "SECRET TO FREE ENERGY!" ads they put up from time to time. Says an awful lot about their target demographic. [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48654819]No, that isn't why I am voting for him and the majority of people I know who would vote for him. It's just that right now he seems to be the best suited for economic stability.[/QUOTE] Based on...? [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48654844]The reason I won't vote for bernie is because to me he seems like he would be addressing more social issues than economical. Right now, I am more concerned about the economy over the next 4 years than I am of social issues.[/QUOTE] Oh okay, in that case you don't know what Bernie's after. Gotcha. Bernie believes that many social issues are the result of economic issues, which is why he's constantly citing the percentage of young people who wind up in jail. Some people do crime because they want to, you'll almost never put a stop to people like that in any system. Others do crime because they feel it's their only option to get by. Fix economy, fix many social issues. [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48654867]Say what you want but Trump has a pretty powerful track record of business.[/QUOTE] Contrary to what the 4-year cycles of effectively auctioning off the presidential seat in the US might indicate to you, America isn't a business. [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48654955]Trickle down works[/quote] Oh boy, this is gonna be good! [quote]it just does not work well for unskilled labor, which I have very little problem with.[/quote] So the people who managed to get jobs that require skilled labor and are still busting their ass 60 hours a week just to remain barely above the poverty line is proof that the system works, k gotcha thx bb. Trickle-down is one of the grandest hoaxes perpetrated on our economy that I can think of in recent times. Yes, trickle-down works, they just don't tell you who's on the bottom reaping the benefits, sucking the drain-pipe for every drop of capital that makes its way down the spout. I'll give you a hint: It's not the every-man. [quote]Yes when you do business often some investments won't work out, no one in business ever has a 100% track record of success[/quote] "So he fucked up, big deal!" His unimpressive track record won't win my heart over, sorry. You might want to perpetuate this charade as a parody of "The Little Engine That Could", but you'll be sorely disappointed to learn that he can. (make off like a bandit and leave us in ruins because he sucks at being civil and diplomatic, which are equally as important for that job as managing the economy) [quote]and he is miles ahead of others in economics.[/QUOTE] Based on...? [QUOTE=sgman91;48655068]The percentages were almost equal. They all went down from 3-4%. They also added higher tax credits for children, and other similar things, which help the poor far more than the rich, and lastly it created a new minimum tax bracket which solely helps the poor and middle class. Sure, the rich got a bigger absolute cut, but that's because they were paying for more in the first place. As a percent of income it's basically the same. ([URL]http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/bush-tax-cuts/2001.cfm[/URL])[/QUOTE] It's insane the amount of money you pay in taxes when you're one of the few people holding the majority of it, ain't it? "B-B-B-BUT THEY PAY SO MUCH!" Yes? That's how percentages work. 10% of 100 is less than 10% of 500,000,000. And when you've lobbied to engineer the system to work for those who already have so much in order for them to have... more much... Things go pear-shaped. This isn't some fucked-up reverse-overdraft where if you find yourself with a metric fuck-ton of money you earn a reward of yet MORE money. [QUOTE=BananaFoam;48655898]The sad part is that they are likely correct. I have met more open Trump supporters than any other candidate. Truth is, people are dump. Like, [I]really dumb.[/I] They will vote for this real-life supervillain just because they all know his name, they've all seen him on TV, and they think he is funny. Politics is a joke, a glorified reality TV show, so it is no surprise this fuckwad is winning.[/quote] I like to believe that it's because Trump is very loud, ignorant, obnoxious, and demands attention, so naturally he'd attract those sorts of people.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;48656176] 4 times actually, and all so that they could write off their bank loans. So if you maintain the belief that his business' went bankrupt 4 times, then it shows that you think he's just bad at managing money. If you're more inclined to believe the Chapter 11 "Get-Out-Of-Debt-Free" scam, then it goes to show that he's a sleaze-ball who will play the system to get his way. Whichever one sounds worse is up to opinion but I personally think both are pretty terrible.[/QUOTE] Trump's plan to fix the economy: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRgRz3nSG7o[/media]

I never understood why people harp on Trump all day on the casino stuff. The guy handles almost over hundreds of major business deals a year.

[QUOTE=Tudd;48656327]I never understood why people harp on Trump all day on the casino stuff. The guy handles almost over hundreds of major business deals a year.[/QUOTE] Precisely. Not all of them can pan out. The fact that he's [B]only[/B] had 4 bankruptcies should say something. Then again, casinos are hard to lose on.

[QUOTE=Jojje;48656526]Precisely. Not all of them can pan out. The fact that he's [B]only[/B] had 4 bankruptcies should say something. Then again, casinos are hard to lose on.[/QUOTE] Keep in mind this is [URL="https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3642424,-74.41274,3a,75y,304.71h,94.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTyvMyyIrnn1tmA6Yrrdamg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656"]Atlantic City[/URL] we're talking about.

[QUOTE=BananaFoam;48655937]Bahahaha No, no it doesn't. It has consistently not worked for the last 30 years for anybody but the absurdly wealthy.[/QUOTE] No it fails for unskilled work. Thanks for not acknowledging the rest my post.

amazing there's an actual legitimate following for trump consisting of xenophobes, bigoted people who blame every flaw of the government/country on 'liberals' and immigrants, and think of trump as a man with integrity and the capability and smarts of fixing all the economic problems. and i thought the popularity consisted of trolly youth who wanted to be funny and choose trump over other candidates. pretty disconcerting.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48654142]This Trump meme has gotten out of hand, how the fuck is he an actual front-runner for the fucking PRESIDENT of the United States.[/QUOTE] Gotta love how I'm impressed and laughing. Bernie could win and Trump could win. These two facing off would be the ultimate election.

Nominee's gonna be Rubio, calling it.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48656630]No it fails for unskilled work. Thanks for not acknowledging the rest my post.[/QUOTE] lots of economists have found that trickle down economics doesn't help the lower or middle class. it continuously been show to basically only benefits the wealthy. it's more than just unskilled labour that trickle down economics fails.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48654142]This Trump meme has gotten out of hand, how the fuck is he an actual front-runner for the fucking PRESIDENT of the United States.[/QUOTE] A little late but the reason he is ahead and by all accounts the next president is because the smallest primary in an electoral wise pointless state hasn't even had a single person cast a vote against him or anyone yet and won't for another 4 months. Yes the stupdily early primary that has little bearing on the election is little over 4 months out, its going to be another 6-7 months before the actual primary numbers start stacking up so get used to his mug for 7-8 months until most primaries are done and maybe he will drop out before the RNC 11 months from now [editline]10th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;48657026]Gotta love how I'm impressed and laughing. Bernie could win and Trump could win. These two facing off would be the ultimate election.[/QUOTE] "My opponent tonight, I'm not going to even dignify that, he's a socialist, he takes your money, do you want a communist government like China, socialists are bad because they're socialists and that's communism we will be toiling in the gulag after he sells us all out to the mexican gay conspiracy" "OK and now that trump has introduced himself lets present Berne Sanders"

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;48656176]It's insane the amount of money you pay in taxes when you're one of the few people holding the majority of it, ain't it? "B-B-B-BUT THEY PAY SO MUCH!" Yes? That's how percentages work. 10% of 100 is less than 10% of 500,000,000. And when you've lobbied to engineer the system to work for those who already have so much in order for them to have... more much... Things go pear-shaped. This isn't some fucked-up reverse-overdraft where if you find yourself with a metric fuck-ton of money you earn a reward of yet MORE money.[/QUOTE] How is this in any way a response to what I said?