Baa Baa African American Sheep - Is The Nursery Rhyme "Baa Baa Black Sheep" Racist and Sexist?
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B[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;46263206]Let's ban everything black.
My pc is black. I should smash it right now.
My hairs are black. I should shove them off.
Oh, guess what, the central part of the iris is black, well I gues no more eyes for me.[/QUOTE]
Oh man, whenever I close my eyes, all I see is black! Does that make me a racist?
[QUOTE=Sableye;46266651]Its not racist or sexist, its homophobic
A black sheep is one who is radically different from the norm and not talked about, ie the black sheep of the family being the cousin or son who everyone believes to be gay or is openly gay
Now it also can refer to just a black colored sheep which isn't uncommon either, most sheep aren't white at all
What next, twinkle twinkle banned for being trans-phobic?[/QUOTE]
"Black Sheep of the family" has no specifically meaning towards homosexuality, just odd (which vaguely would cover homosexuality given social norms) or disreputable/deviant/bad (which is what it's most used for) people
It's just people who get off on being upset about things but don't have any actual things to be upset about so they get upset for other people.
I can't wait for these people to get desperate and the result is "Four and Twenty blackbirds baked in a pie" being misinterpreted as being racist, sexist(because bird = female) and promoting marijuana use(because of 4:20 ). I mean seriously, its scrapping the barrel to imply that black sheep is racist as a black sheep is an actual thing and all.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46264620]The entire problem comes down to the fact that the US has accepted the idea that humanity is somehow divided in actual Races, and that Racism = treating these Races differently.
If people would stop actually considering darker skin a "race" then maybe there would be less people actually considering what they have been told is a different kind of people inferior to their own kind.
It's really interesting how the term "racist" drastically changes definitions in French and English. When I was at school in France I was told that racism is the thought/action of dividing humanity into races, which is not actually possible - we don't have races, we're all one people with ethnic and physical variations that are a result of long-lasting settlements in drastically different locations. In the US however and in the English language in general, racism means that you're treating the established and accepted races differently from one another.
Long story short, acknowledging races even exist is racist on its own right.[/QUOTE]
There isn't anything racist about acknowledging races exists because races do exist, though there are a lot of misconceptions and stupid ideas about what a race actually is. It is true however that we are all of the same specie.
First of all, to say that any race is better or worse than another in any way is just plain stupid (and racist) because people of two different races can often have more genetically incommon with eachother than two people of the same race. A race is simply a group of animals (or people) with recurring phenotypes that are almost exclusive to that group of people. Being black for example is a phenotype.
The reason that the word "race" is looked upon as something bad today is largely because of all the fucked up ideas about race that people has had in the past, like Hitler for example. This being said, we are so mixed today that no one really is of one race anymore and furthermore, it doesn't really make a difference because its just a way of categorizing, which is stupid when it comes to people.
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just wanted to add that this: [QUOTE]we're all one people with ethnic and physical variations that are a result of long-lasting settlements in drastically different locations.[/QUOTE] is pretty much the definition of a race.
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;46263206]Let's ban everything black.
My pc is black. I should smash it right now.
My hairs are black. I should shove them off.
Oh, guess what, the central part of the iris is black, well I gues no more eyes for me.[/QUOTE]
Lets ban black people
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[QUOTE=maeZtro;46267083]There isn't anything racist about acknowledging races exists because races do exist, though there are a lot of misconceptions and stupid ideas about what a race actually is. It is true however that we are all of the same specie.
First of all, to say that any race is better or worse than another in any way is just plain stupid (and racist) because people of two different races can often have more genetically incommon with eachother than two people of the same race. A race is simply a group of animals (or people) with recurring phenotypes that are almost exclusive to that group of people. Being black for example is a phenotype.
The reason that the word "race" is looked upon as something bad today is largely because of all the fucked up ideas about race that people has had in the past, like Hitler for example. This being said, we are so mixed today that no one really is of one race anymore and furthermore, it doesn't really make a difference because its just a way of categorizing, which is stupid when it comes to people.
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just wanted to add that this: is pretty much the definition of a race.[/QUOTE]
If Hitler didn't happen, the media wouldn't be so left focused, and thinking of national values wouldn't be condemned
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If Hitler didn't happen, the media wouldn't be so left focused, and thinking of national values wouldn't be condemned[/QUOTE]
Proabably not but it did prove how dangerous natinalism and the "us vs them" mindset can be when taken to extreme lengths. I'm not a fan of nationalism though. I'm a fan of biology and I am tired of seeing "we are all the same" ideas everywhere.I think that we should all be treated the same, but we are all different.
[QUOTE=maeZtro;46267289]Proabably not but it did prove how dangerous natinalism and the "us vs them" mindset can be when taken to extreme lengths. I'm not a fan of nationalism though. I'm a fan of biology and I am tired of seeing "we are all the same" ideas everywhere.I think that we should all be treated the same, but we are all different.[/QUOTE]
For me both extremes, left and right, are dangerous. The political center, which focuses on taking the positive parts of the left and right ideologies, while getting rid of the negative parts, is the best solution. But this takes a lot of energy to uphold because there is a slippery slope into extremism on both sides of the hill.
[QUOTE=maeZtro;46267083]just wanted to add that this: is pretty much the definition of a race.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but you don't make that distinction when talking about mankind specifically because making that distinction is the first step towards actually finding bigger differences, as seen with the US.
What're they gonna do about the black market? :v:
There were once rumours UK schools had renamed it to 'baa baa coloured sheep', but it wasn't true
Just yesterday I watched a clip where David Mitchell was asked to sing it as if he was afraid. I guess he has a reason now.
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Whoever did this is a inferior
Someone should recreate the Cloud script (The one that replaced Cloud with Butt) and replace Black with African American.
[QUOTE=alastorL;46263184]Orange is the new African American, coming to Netflix this summer[/QUOTE]
Holy crap that's amazing.
We need to get rid of the word and color "black."
After we are done with this monstrosity, color "yellow" shall soon follow.
Baa baa, black sheep, have you any wool?
Yes massa, yes massa, I stole it then raped a white woman
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