[QUOTE=NoDachi;41999573]You want him to be punished painfully out of sadism because you're angry for what he did.
creep.
stop trying to downplay what you wanted to happen with him
suddenly 'maybe rehabilitation' because you noticed that boxfort you were building lol[/QUOTE]
If you are assuming I wanted him to be tortured, no. He should actually be taken accountable for his activities, and made to think out his activities. Death has no closure aside from creating revenge fantasies within random groups of people, and getting a bunch of islamaphobics off.
[QUOTE=raptorkid;41999651]Rehabilitation is for minor stuff, not mass murder.[/QUOTE]
But for Sgt. Bales it's OK?
Sgt. Bales kills 16 Afghanis: "Fuck those stone-aged savages for wanting his death, Bales needs our help and medical attention!"
After 21 years in service, and obviously due to a mental illness an Arab snaps and kills 13 of his fellow soldiers: "Death sentence is too soft for him"
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;41999290]Knowing our American legal system, he's got at least 20 years before he gets strapped down. At least he's paralyzed because of his actions and he'll have to deal with that for quite a while before he gets his real punishment.[/QUOTE]
He wasn't trialed by the American Legal system that applies to you.
He was convicted in a military court.
It'll move much quicker.
:edit:
it'll still take awhile though.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41999731]If you are assuming I wanted him to be tortured, no. He should actually be taken accountable for his activities, and made to think out his activities. Death has no closure aside from creating revenge fantasies within random groups of people, and getting a bunch of islamaphobics off.[/QUOTE]
You said his sentence isn't painful enough for him
you're only interesting in his amount of suffering
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41999832]You said his sentence isn't painful enough for him
you're only interesting in his amount of suffering[/QUOTE]
Regardless of the course of action he's most likely going to suffer[physical or mental].
I'd rather him actually have to think out these actions over time, and not get his martyrdom wishes.
If he could be integrated back into society within a 10 - 30 years, have him write off apologies to the families he's caused mental harm to thanks to his actions, and let him back in.
You literally said he deserved pain for what he did.
You can't keep dodging it.
Just admit you said it in the heat of the moment and you're actually not a sadist.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;41999784]But for Sgt. Bales it's OK?
Sgt. Bales kills 16 Afghanis: "Fuck those stone-aged savages for wanting his death, Bales needs our help and medical attention!"
Arab snaps obviously due to a mental illness and kills 11 of his fellow soldiers: "Death sentence is too soft for him"[/QUOTE]
Care to share your diagnosis? This was a guy that had been in contact with extremists before the shooting
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41999272]He doesn't fucking deserve death. Way to painless for the damage he's done to his fellow man, and their families.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what you are saying, but I'd be really fucking terrified if I knew I was going to die in a few moments.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41999879]You literally said he deserved pain for what he did.
You can't keep dodging it.
Just admit you said it in the heat of the moment and you're actually not a sadist.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough.
I still don't believe him in dieing though while people like Sgt. Bales do similar if not worse (war) crimes, and get off with a life sentence.
It's not fair to the victim's families of either cases, but we shouldn't be picking favors with our justice system because the general public wants blood.
of course - only the retards that post in this [I]SH[/I]ithole could try to defend a mass shooter from punishment, a monster that killed 13 people and injured a few dozen more for no good reason.
I bet you guys are gonna tell me that others like Anders Breivik, maybe even Charles Manson should've seen no punishment, just a cozy bed and a shrink to rehabilitate them and send them off to walk among the people they tormented and hurt so much - the families of the people they murdered.
If wanting scum like Anders and Hasan dead is bad then you lot must be monsters for wanting them rehabilitated and walking among the families they hurt, only to hurt and torment them more simply by being around. Not everyone forgives, not everyone is willing to or has the money to seek therapy to help them cope with the loss much less the idea of the murderer being out and about, and in their mind, out to harm and/or kill them. If someone like Anders or Hasan were to get out I guarantee they'd probably be murdered anyway in an act of revenge.
You guys care about the murderer so much, but the people he affected so little, you lot call yourselves "humanitarians" but you're only thinking of the well-being of the mass-shooter, you're not thinking of the families who live in sadness and fear ever since it happened. You lot care about the one, but not the many, as with so many other people, you think about the one popular case, and not the many smaller cases.
Don't bother replying or trying to debate me, I don't care, I don't care about any of your opinions, I hardly even come to SH, I was linked here by a friend, I read some posts and wanted to maybe help others understand why some people want to see Hasan dead - The people he harmed will [I]never[/I] forget, and to forgive would be lucky.
Well I don't think he should be killed either.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41999977]Well I don't think he should be killed either.[/QUOTE]
Sadly that seems whats going to happen. I honestly don't see the point in it.
[QUOTE=Saxon;41999922]Care to share your diagnosis? This was a guy that had been in contact with extremists before the shooting[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan"]"Investigators in the FBI and U.S. Army determined that Hasan acted alone and they have found no evidence of links to terrorist groups. They are satisfied that [B]his communications with Awlaki posed no threat at the time[/B]. The decision by the Army not to charge Hasan with terrorism was controversial, and there was public debate.[/URL]"
[QUOTE=Dysplasia;41999976]of course - only the retards that post in this [I]SH[/I]ithole could try to defend a mass shooter from punishment, a monster that killed 13 people and injured a few dozen more for no good reason.
I bet you guys are gonna tell me that others like Anders Breivik, maybe even Charles Manson should've seen no punishment, just a cozy bed and a shrink to rehabilitate them and send them off to walk among the people they tormented and hurt so much - the families of the people they murdered.
If wanting scum like Anders and Hasan dead is bad then you lot must be monsters for wanting them rehabilitated and walking among the families they hurt, only to hurt and torment them more simply by being around. Not everyone forgives, not everyone is willing to or has the money to seek therapy to help them cope with the loss much less the idea of the murderer being out and about, and in their mind, out to harm and/or kill them. If someone like Anders or Hasan were to get out I guarantee they'd probably be murdered anyway in an act of revenge.
You guys care about the murderer so much, but the people he affected so little, you lot call yourselves "humanitarians" but you're only thinking of the well-being of the mass-shooter, you're not thinking of the families who live in sadness and fear ever since it happened. You lot care about the one, but not the many, as with so many other people, you think about the one popular case, and not the many smaller cases.
Don't bother replying or trying to debate me, I don't care, I don't care about any of your opinions, I hardly even come to SH, I was linked here by a friend, I read some posts and wanted to maybe help others understand why some people want to see Hasan dead - The people he harmed will [I]never[/I] forget, and to forgive would be lucky.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but if someone dying makes you feel good
then maybe you're a monster~ too
I'm pretty sure he actually wanted this. If that's true, I'm not entirely sure this is such a bad thing. Fucking bizarre though.
[editline]28th August 2013[/editline]
Was this a federal case or a state one? If they use the federal death penalty, that'll be something.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;41999991][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan"]"Investigators in the FBI and U.S. Army determined that Hasan acted alone and they have found no evidence of links to terrorist groups. They are satisfied that [B]his communications with Awlaki posed no threat at the time[/B]. The decision by the Army not to charge Hasan with terrorism was controversial, and there was public debate.[/URL]"[/QUOTE]
At the time
do you know who Awlaki is?
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki[/URL]
Its pretty obvious they didn't charge him with terrorism so he wouldn't get out of the death penalty
Anyway thats my 2 cents and I'm done. This thread has turned into another shitstain on the face of this forum.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41999503]
I'd rather have this man sit in a cell, have a long thought of his activities,[/quote]
The only thing he'll be thinking about is how he went wrong the day he got caught. [quote] and possibly in 30 years be rehabilitated.[/QUOTE]
lol some people are too fucked up to ever be rehabbed. This guy is one of them. He will never be safe to release into public again.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42000093]The only thing he'll be thinking about is how he went wrong the day he got caught.
lol some people are too fucked up to ever be rehabbed. This guy is one of them. He will never be safe to release into public again.[/QUOTE]
It's a good thing you are a fully qualified therapist that is also omniscient.
[QUOTE=Dysplasia;41999976]of course - only the retards that post in this [I]SH[/I]ithole could try to defend a mass shooter from punishment, a monster that killed 13 people and injured a few dozen more for no good reason.
I bet you guys are gonna tell me that others like Anders Breivik, maybe even Charles Manson should've seen no punishment, just a cozy bed and a shrink to rehabilitate them and send them off to walk among the people they tormented and hurt so much - the families of the people they murdered.
If wanting scum like Anders and Hasan dead is bad then you lot must be monsters for wanting them rehabilitated and walking among the families they hurt, only to hurt and torment them more simply by being around. Not everyone forgives, not everyone is willing to or has the money to seek therapy to help them cope with the loss much less the idea of the murderer being out and about, and in their mind, out to harm and/or kill them. If someone like Anders or Hasan were to get out I guarantee they'd probably be murdered anyway in an act of revenge.
You guys care about the murderer so much, but the people he affected so little, you lot call yourselves "humanitarians" but you're only thinking of the well-being of the mass-shooter, you're not thinking of the families who live in sadness and fear ever since it happened. You lot care about the one, but not the many, as with so many other people, you think about the one popular case, and not the many smaller cases.
Don't bother replying or trying to debate me, I don't care, I don't care about any of your opinions, I hardly even come to SH, I was linked here by a friend, I read some posts and wanted to maybe help others understand why some people want to see Hasan dead - The people he harmed will [I]never[/I] forget, and to forgive would be lucky.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for your wonderful and thought through post which serves as a perfect example of the broken and self destructive thinking of this society.
[QUOTE=Thlis;42000110]It's a good thing you are a fully qualified therapist that is also omniscient.[/QUOTE]
Sorry if my head not being so far up into the clouds satellites bounce off my face offends you. There's limits to everything, and that includes how fucked up a person can be and still be rehabilitated.
Someone like this guy, or Anders Breivik, or Ted Bundy, or Charlie Manson? They're totalled. They'll never rehab. You're more likely to win the powerball than you are to rehab any of them successfully. Lock 'em up forever, shoot 'em, toss 'em off a cliff, strand 'em on an island, I don't care, so long as they're not able to get back into society. You don't need to be omniscient to figure this shit out, just a little logic. If someone's so badly fucked up that they do such terrible things as those men have done they will never recover and they will never be safe to release.
Give 'em a 10x12 barred home for all eternity. Furnish it nicely if you want, no harm in giving them a TV and a comfy bed. They shouldn't be treated like shit. But for the love of god don't waste your time trying to fix them.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42000244]Sorry if my head not being so far up into the clouds satellites bounce off my face offends you. There's limits to everything, and that includes how fucked up a person can be and still be rehabilitated.
Someone like this guy, or Anders Breivik, or Ted Bundy, or Charlie Manson? They're totalled. They'll never rehab. You're more likely to win the powerball than you are to rehab any of them successfully. Lock 'em up forever, shoot 'em, toss 'em off a cliff, strand 'em on an island, I don't care, so long as they're not able to get back into society. You don't need to be omniscient to figure this shit out, just a little logic. If someone's so badly fucked up that they do such terrible things as those men have done they will never recover and they will never be safe to release.
Give 'em a 10x12 barred home for all eternity. Furnish it nicely if you want, no harm in giving them a TV and a comfy bed. They shouldn't be treated like shit. But for the love of god don't waste your time trying to fix them.[/QUOTE]
I like it when you remind me what a horrible person you are.
Its a shame its nearly every post.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42000244]Sorry if my head not being so far up into the clouds satellites bounce off my face offends you. There's limits to everything, and that includes how fucked up a person can be and still be rehabilitated.
Someone like this guy, or Anders Breivik, or Ted Bundy, or Charlie Manson? They're totalled. They'll never rehab. You're more likely to win the powerball than you are to rehab any of them successfully. Lock 'em up forever, shoot 'em, toss 'em off a cliff, strand 'em on an island, I don't care, so long as they're not able to get back into society. You don't need to be omniscient to figure this shit out, just a little logic. If someone's so badly fucked up that they do such terrible things as those men have done they will never recover and they will never be safe to release.
Give 'em a 10x12 barred home for all eternity. Furnish it nicely if you want, no harm in giving them a TV and a comfy bed. They shouldn't be treated like shit. But for the love of god don't waste your time trying to fix them.[/QUOTE]
and you say this in your official capacity as...?
A) you're not qualified to make this kind of statement, and B) mental illness is something that the government is obligated to provide support for. don't act like at least TRYING to fix them is a bad thing
[QUOTE=TestECull;42000244]Sorry if my head not being so far up into the clouds satellites bounce off my face offends you. There's limits to everything, and that includes how fucked up a person can be and still be rehabilitated.
Someone like this guy, or Anders Breivik, or Ted Bundy, or Charlie Manson? They're totalled. They'll never rehab. You're more likely to win the powerball than you are to rehab any of them successfully. Lock 'em up forever, shoot 'em, toss 'em off a cliff, strand 'em on an island, I don't care, so long as they're not able to get back into society. You don't need to be omniscient to figure this shit out, just a little logic. If someone's so badly fucked up that they do such terrible things as those men have done they will never recover and they will never be safe to release.
Give 'em a 10x12 barred home for all eternity. Furnish it nicely if you want, no harm in giving them a TV and a comfy bed. They shouldn't be treated like shit. But for the love of god don't waste your time trying to fix them.[/QUOTE]
Again, it's a good thing you are licensed therapist that has fully read a dossier on him from your chair which may or may not have arms.
[QUOTE=Cone;42000305]and you say this in your official capacity as...?
A) you're not qualified to make this kind of statement, and B) mental illness is something that the government is obligated to provide support for. don't act like at least TRYING to fix them is a bad thing[/QUOTE]
So I'm not allowed to have and voice an opinion on something because I don't have a Ph.D in that something?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42000281]I like it when you remind me what a horrible person you are.
Its a shame its nearly every post.[/QUOTE]
Ad hominem is the best you can come up with? Good thing I don't care what you think about me. Now grow up and pick apart the many flaws in my actual points instead of arguing ad hominim, kthnx.
[QUOTE=Thlis;42000307]Again, it's a good thing you are licensed therapist that has fully read a dossier on him from your chair which may or may not have arms.[/QUOTE]
You're still not making a point. Make one already.
We could argue for days about capital punishment...it's one of those topics that people have strong opinions about and often won't budge. I personally believe that execution is the proper justice for such an awful crime, but if you disagree with me, that's alright. You're not "unintelligent" for believing the way you do, nor am I. We all have our reasons for supporting or opposing capital punishment, and it's safer to just agree to disagree.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42000321]
You're still not making a point. Make one already.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TestECull;42000321]So I'm not allowed to have and voice an opinion on something because I don't have a Ph.D in that something?
[/QUOTE]
That is the point.
You are not clairvoyant, yet you instantly say "No chance of recovery, he's just too fucked up".
That's like a shoe salesmen telling a surgeon over the phone that the surgeon cannot do a specific medical procedure on a patient that the salesmen has never met before.
[QUOTE=Thlis;42000367]That is the point.
You are not clairvoyant, yet you instantly say "No chance of recovery, he's just too fucked up".[/QUOTE]
Finally you actually make a point...and you don't need to be clairvoyant to tell. It's pretty simple. Do they feel remorse for committing the crime they're in jail for? If yes they're rehabilitatable. If they say they'd do it again in a heartbeat don't waste your time, go help someone that's actually open to help.
You can only help someone willing to accept it. Someone who's not remorseful for their crime isn't going to accept the rehab, so don't waste your time even bothering.
How exactly do people who oppose the death penalty see a situation like this?
Is the pain, suffering, loss, grief and otherwise bad things the victims and families go through, completely irrelevant? I don't understand why you would want to help and fix someone when they've proven themselves to be nothing but a broken, destroyer of a person.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42000396]Finally you actually make a point...and you don't need to be clairvoyant to tell. It's pretty simple.[/QUOTE]
Dunning–Kruger effect?
Also you are essentially saying if something is broken then it can't be fixed, and only things that aren't broken can be fixed.
[QUOTE=Cureless;42000436]How exactly do people who oppose the death penalty see a situation like this?
Is the pain, suffering, loss, grief and otherwise bad things the victims and families go through, completely irrelevant? I don't understand why you would want to help and fix someone when they've proven themselves to be nothing but a broken, destroyer of a person.[/QUOTE]
Don't waste your time arguing that point, you'll just get crucified.
[editline]28th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Thlis;42000444]Dunning–Kruger effect?[/quote]
Stop throwing huge words around. Also I never claimed my opinion was superior, so your big words aren't even right to begin with. Try again.
[quote]Also you are essentially saying if something is broken then it can't be fixed, and only things that aren't broken can be fixed.[/QUOTE]
No. If that's what you're getting something's getting lost somewhere. I'm saying you can't help a person that won't accept the help. It's not like a car where you can just force it to accept a new part and it will work again. People don't work that way, and if they don't want help they will do everything they can to get around it, right up to pretending to accept it only to fool the people helping them.
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