[QUOTE=TestECull;42000446]Don't waste your time arguing that point, you'll just get crucified.
Stop throwing huge words around. Also I never claimed my opinion was superior, so your big words aren't even right to begin with. Try again.
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It's not a big word. It's when a person doesn't know enough about something to know that they don't know enough about something.
You have no evidence/experience to show that this person cannot be reformed yet you assume so anyways.
You would have to be clairvoyant to know that, especially when you are sitting in an armchair with little to no knowledge of the person.
[QUOTE=Thlis;42000515]It's not a big word. It's when a person doesn't know enough about something to know that they don't know enough about something.
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Wrong.
[quote]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority,[B] mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average.[/B] [/quote]
I never ones rated my ability at all, much less higher than average. So kindly stop trying to make yourself sound smart with phrases like that. It takes all of five seconds to search them and find out what they actually mean, and when that's different from what you're saying it means it just backfires against you.
[quote]You would have to be clairvoyant to know that[/QUOTE]
No you don't. You just have to follow the story. He's not remorseful in any way. You don't need a Ph.D or a clairvoyant space-brain to figure that out, just a passing familiarity with the story. Now are you done failing at sounding smart?
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42000609]I like how almost every single post has boxes, instead of disagrees. "You're a fucking idiot because your opinion is different from mine."
One person who actually tries to make a legitimate argument will just be assaulted by the self-righteous liberals or the sociopaths who want him to be tortured to death.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to Facepunch. You want good debate you ain't gonna find it here, and god help you if you say anything slightly against the FP grain. You get crucified.
Not that ratings even matter lol
[QUOTE=TestECull;42000573]Wrong.
I never ones rated my ability at all, much less higher than average. So kindly stop trying to make yourself sound smart with phrases like that. It takes all of five seconds to search them and find out what they actually mean, and when that's different from what you're saying it means it just backfires against you.
No you don't. You just have to follow the story. He's not remorseful in any way. You don't need a Ph.D or a clairvoyant space-brain to figure that out, just a passing familiarity with the story. [B]Now are you done failing at sounding smart?[/B][/QUOTE]
I have been rendered speechless by that one. Especially considering you can't even interpret the meaning of a sentence.
I am willing to wager you have little to no knowledge on psychology yet you have assumed that this person is beyond psychological help.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42000641]Welcome to Facepunch. You want good debate you ain't gonna find it here, and god help you if you say anything slightly against the FP grain. You get crucified.
Not that ratings even matter lol[/QUOTE]
Says the person that dumbs every argument contrary to his own.
[QUOTE=Thlis;42000646]I have been rendered speechless by that one. Especially considering you can't even interpret the meaning of a sentence.[/quote]
I interpreted the meaning of the sentence just fine. You're the one that's reading between the lines and seeing things that aren't there. [quote]
I am willing to wager you have little to no knowledge on psychology yet you have assumed that this person is beyond psychological help.[/QUOTE]
All you have to do to change my opinion on this guy is show me where he's genuinely remorseful for what he did. That's it. If you can't do that you might as well just not bother replying at all, because my mind isn't changing otherwise.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42000321]So I'm not allowed to have and voice an opinion on something because I don't have a Ph.D in that something?[/QUOTE]
i wouldn't give you advice on fixing a nuclear reactor, and you're not going to give me advice on how to fix a crazy guy's brain - neither of us know what we're talking about, so let's no get too presumptuous just yet. also again the government has to provide support for mental illnesses, and there really is absolutely no risk of danger from attempting psychiatric care so it's not like that's worth fretting over.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;41999290]Knowing our American legal system, he's got at least 20 years before he gets strapped down. At least he's paralyzed because of his actions and he'll have to deal with that for quite a while before he gets his real punishment.[/QUOTE]
And he won't actually know when it'll happen which makes it more sadistically better.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42000244]
Someone like this guy, or Anders Breivik, or Ted Bundy, or Charlie Manson? They're totalled. They'll never rehab. You're more likely to win the powerball than you are to rehab any of them successfully. Lock 'em up forever, shoot 'em, toss 'em off a cliff, strand 'em on an island, I don't care, so long as they're not able to get back into society. You don't need to be omniscient to figure this shit out, just a little logic. If someone's so badly fucked up that they do such terrible things as those men have done they will never recover and they will never be safe to release.[/quote]
Based on what evidence? You are pulling an entirely unsupported claim and call out people for not discussing it with you and going ad hominem when you are doing nothing but making unsupported claim which you apparently can make just because "you don't need to be omniscient to figure it out".
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;41999693]Tell me, exactly, how do you rehabilitate a Terrorist?[/QUOTE]
this isn't a real fucking post is it this isn't a real question right this is some tongue in cheek, laughing at people who use terrorism as a scary buzzword to justify moronic kneejerk reactions to crime, right? you rehabilitate him the same way you would rehabilitate anyone, and if you cant rehabilitate him you keep him locked up until he's either ready to enter society or dead. killing him doesn't accomplish anything and as sorry as i am for the victims families i could care fuck all about some childish revenge fantasy
Snip nvm.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;42000847]this isn't a real fucking post is it this isn't a real question right this is some tongue in cheek, laughing at people who use terrorism as a scary buzzword to justify moronic kneejerk reactions to crime, right? you rehabilitate him the same way you would rehabilitate anyone, and if you cant rehabilitate him you keep him locked up until he's either ready to enter society or dead. killing him doesn't accomplish anything and as sorry as i am for the victims families i could care fuck all about some childish revenge fantasy[/QUOTE]
Cool your jets, jesus christ
I never understood the death penalty in this country. If somebody gets sentenced to death row, they've got about 3-4 decades before they actually do get killed.
He betrayed the camaraderie and trust placed in him by his comrades in arms in the worst way possible. The sentence is much deserved.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;42001580]He betrayed the camaraderie and trust placed in him by his comrades in arms in the worst way possible. The sentence is much deserved.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you can justify capital punishment if you're only going to use vague abstractions such as 'camaraderie'.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;41999378]"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."[/QUOTE]
An eye for an eye makes those who take eyes blind.
This guy will probably just languish on death row for years, giving him the death sentence is largely a symbolic gesture at this point.
I think it will take a hardline administration to get him or the other death row inhabitants executed.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;41999294]Call me a barbarian, cruel, living in the dark ages, whatever. He killed a huge amount of people and this is exactly what he deserves. Anything less would have been very disappointing.[/QUOTE]
Why not keep him alive and study him as he is, so we can better understand this in the future?
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;42001536]I never understood the death penalty in this country. If somebody gets sentenced to death row, they've got about 3-4 decades before they actually do get killed.[/QUOTE]
They're more likely to die of old age than to die from lethal injection.
rip in peace then
[QUOTE=FPChris;41999372]It will also ensure that he won't try to kill anyone else, with his wheelchair.
[editline]28th August 2013[/editline]
Rehabilitation, oh wait, [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/us.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
you are so unbelievably naive if you think this piece of shit can be put back into society
even then, someone who has killed 13 innocent people doesn't deserve to be walking
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42002745]you are so unbelievably naive if you think this piece of shit can be put back into society
even then, someone who has killed 13 innocent people doesn't deserve to be walking[/QUOTE]
the first statement is baseless conjecture
the second statement is a moral statement
neither have a place in a criminal justice system
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Instead, I'll simply call you unintelligent.
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[QUOTE=FPChris;41999372]
Rehabilitation, oh wait, [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/us.png[/IMG]
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The ignorance in this thread makes me cringe.
The people who argue that the life sentence is never good and that ~no one deserves to die~ need to grow up and get real. Yes, a guy who has murdered one other dude in a streak of impulsive stupidity deserves a second shot and shouldn't be killed for his actions. No, a heartless piece of shit who shot up 13 people for the one motive that it would advance some shitty political/religious stance does not deserve to be kept alive in a cell.
Call it revenge, call it barbaric, call it whatever you want, there are people who have showed no intention to remain or to become valid members of society and they should be dealt with.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;42003047]Yeah death sentences are institutionalized revenge and there's no way around that. It may be difficult if you don't look at the issue with a clinical lens, which highlights the main issue with death sentences. If the government kills someone via a death sentence, they are killing someone for either personal reasons or to save money. Neither of those are acceptable.[/QUOTE]
I don't like the death penalty because it can be handed down to people who have mental illness or people who committed, say, a crime of passion and deserve to be let free, but justice and law is a human concept and the validity of killing people for certain reasons or for certain crimes can be argued. You don't need to look at justice through a clinical lense, you can look at it through an economic or moral one just as well.
You can go, "They [i]deserve it[/i], they eat babies!" or, "Ooga booga cavemen go home" all you want, but justice isn't an objective thing.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42001601]I don't think you can justify capital punishment if you're only going to use vague abstractions such as 'camaraderie'.[/QUOTE]
We place our lives in each other's hands. It is a kind of camaraderie that can scarcely be put into words. Our leaders look after us and we look after our leaders. To violate that trust is absolutely abhorrent. The military is like a family. This would be like your uncle shooting all of your siblings in cold blood.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;42004170]We place our lives in each other's hands. It is a kind of camaraderie that can scarcely be put into words. Our leaders look after us and we look after our leaders. To violate that trust is absolutely abhorrent. The military is like a family. This would be like your uncle shooting all of your siblings in cold blood.[/QUOTE]
did I just walk onto the set of JAG
[QUOTE=Dysplasia;41999976]of course - only the retards that post in this [I]SH[/I]ithole could try to defend a mass shooter from punishment, a monster that killed 13 people and injured a few dozen more for no good reason.
I bet you guys are gonna tell me that others like Anders Breivik, maybe even Charles Manson should've seen no punishment, just a cozy bed and a shrink to rehabilitate them and send them off to walk among the people they tormented and hurt so much - the families of the people they murdered.
If wanting scum like Anders and Hasan dead is bad then you lot must be monsters for wanting them rehabilitated and walking among the families they hurt, only to hurt and torment them more simply by being around. Not everyone forgives, not everyone is willing to or has the money to seek therapy to help them cope with the loss much less the idea of the murderer being out and about, and in their mind, out to harm and/or kill them. If someone like Anders or Hasan were to get out I guarantee they'd probably be murdered anyway in an act of revenge.
You guys care about the murderer so much, but the people he affected so little, you lot call yourselves "humanitarians" but you're only thinking of the well-being of the mass-shooter, you're not thinking of the families who live in sadness and fear ever since it happened. You lot care about the one, but not the many, as with so many other people, you think about the one popular case, and not the many smaller cases.
Don't bother replying or trying to debate me, I don't care, I don't care about any of your opinions, I hardly even come to SH, I was linked here by a friend, I read some posts and wanted to maybe help others understand why some people want to see Hasan dead - The people he harmed will [I]never[/I] forget, and to forgive would be lucky.[/QUOTE]
I'm on the same side as you, but for a different reason. Everyone seems to think locking someone up for life is more humane than killing them, which I believe to be quite the opposite. I'd rather just die rather than live to see myself locked up in a box for the rest of my life.
As for rehabilitation, there's no known way to rehabilitate mass murderers, nor is it possible to even know if it is possible. Given that they have already murdered several people it's quite likely they may revert to their old ways.
Can someone lock this thread? Every time there's one about the death penalty, it's always the same arguments for 10 pages, and no one's opinion about the matter ever changes. It's pointless and just gets everyone mad for no reason.
[QUOTE=Yogkog;42004428]Can someone lock this thread? Every time there's one about the death penalty, it's always the same arguments for 10 pages, and no one's opinion about the matter ever changes. It's pointless and just gets everyone mad for no reason.[/QUOTE]
You just summed up facepunch.
why does everyone assume that when someone is sentenced to death it is purely sadistic
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