[QUOTE=SKEEA;42004170]We place our lives in each other's hands. It is a kind of camaraderie that can scarcely be put into words. Our leaders look after us and we look after our leaders. To violate that trust is absolutely abhorrent. The military is like a family. This would be like your uncle shooting all of your siblings in cold blood.[/QUOTE]
why is literally every post you make like this
[editline]28th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42004621]why does everyone assume that when someone is sentenced to death it is purely sadistic[/QUOTE]
because the death sentence is purely sadistic
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;42004763]
because the death sentence is purely sadistic[/QUOTE]
the whole point of it has nothing to do with enjoying the death of someone it is to try to deter criminals from commiting such a horrendous crime. and really the only people are "happy" when people are put to death is that it makes them feal safe.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42004831]the whole point of it has nothing to do with enjoying the death of someone it is to try to deter criminals from commiting such a horrendous crime. and really the only people are "happy" when people are put to death is that it makes them feal safe.[/QUOTE]
do you really fucking think that a criminal who is mentally unstable enough to commit a crime worthy of the death sentence would actually give a shit about the death sentence? not to mention how totally authoritarian it is to hold death above someone for breaking the law
[QUOTE=Dysplasia;41999976]of course - only the retards that post in this [I]SH[/I]ithole could try to defend a mass shooter from punishment, a monster that killed 13 people and injured a few dozen more for no good reason.
I bet you guys are gonna tell me that others like Anders Breivik, maybe even Charles Manson should've seen no punishment, just a cozy bed and a shrink to rehabilitate them and send them off to walk among the people they tormented and hurt so much - the families of the people they murdered.
If wanting scum like Anders and Hasan dead is bad then you lot must be monsters for wanting them rehabilitated and walking among the families they hurt, only to hurt and torment them more simply by being around. Not everyone forgives, not everyone is willing to or has the money to seek therapy to help them cope with the loss much less the idea of the murderer being out and about, and in their mind, out to harm and/or kill them. If someone like Anders or Hasan were to get out I guarantee they'd probably be murdered anyway in an act of revenge.
You guys care about the murderer so much, but the people he affected so little, you lot call yourselves "humanitarians" but you're only thinking of the well-being of the mass-shooter, you're not thinking of the families who live in sadness and fear ever since it happened. You lot care about the one, but not the many, as with so many other people, you think about the one popular case, and not the many smaller cases.
Don't bother replying or trying to debate me, I don't care, I don't care about any of your opinions, I hardly even come to SH, I was linked here by a friend, I read some posts and wanted to maybe help others understand why some people want to see Hasan dead - The people he harmed will [I]never[/I] forget, and to forgive would be lucky.[/QUOTE]
You're retard lol
[QUOTE=Dysplasia;41999976]of course - only the retards that post in this [I]SH[/I]ithole could try to defend a mass shooter from punishment, a monster that killed 13 people and injured a few dozen more for no good reason.
I bet you guys are gonna tell me that others like Anders Breivik, maybe even Charles Manson should've seen no punishment, just a cozy bed and a shrink to rehabilitate them and send them off to walk among the people they tormented and hurt so much - the families of the people they murdered.
If wanting scum like Anders and Hasan dead is bad then you lot must be monsters for wanting them rehabilitated and walking among the families they hurt, only to hurt and torment them more simply by being around. Not everyone forgives, not everyone is willing to or has the money to seek therapy to help them cope with the loss much less the idea of the murderer being out and about, and in their mind, out to harm and/or kill them. If someone like Anders or Hasan were to get out I guarantee they'd probably be murdered anyway in an act of revenge.
You guys care about the murderer so much, but the people he affected so little, you lot call yourselves "humanitarians" but you're only thinking of the well-being of the mass-shooter, you're not thinking of the families who live in sadness and fear ever since it happened. You lot care about the one, but not the many, as with so many other people, you think about the one popular case, and not the many smaller cases.
Don't bother replying or trying to debate me, I don't care, I don't care about any of your opinions, I hardly even come to SH, I was linked here by a friend, I read some posts and wanted to maybe help others understand why some people want to see Hasan dead - The people he harmed will [I]never[/I] forget, and to forgive would be lucky.[/QUOTE]
oh yes, because i don't support someone being put to death i must support what that someone did. lol at trying to say it's monstrous to rehabilitate people. of course i feel for the families, but more blood isn't going to bring their dead friends and relatives back to life and it's not going to give them REAL closure. their relatives are still dead, they are still going to grieve. besides, the grief that family and friends feel is irrelevant when it comes to the justice system.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42004831]the whole point of it has nothing to do with enjoying the death of someone it is to try to deter criminals from commiting such a horrendous crime. and really the only people are "happy" when people are put to death is that it makes them feal safe.[/QUOTE]
The death sentence doesn't deter criminals from committing murders at all, in fact it's been proven that states with the death penalty have a higher rate of crime to begin with.
[url]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates[/url]
I sure they would feel safe enough knowing that they would spend the rest of their lives in prison to begin with too.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;41999784]But for Sgt. Bales it's OK?
Sgt. Bales kills 16 Afghanis: "Fuck those stone-aged savages for wanting his death, Bales needs our help and medical attention!"
After 21 years in service, and obviously due to a mental illness an Arab snaps and kills 13 of his fellow soldiers: "Death sentence is too soft for him"[/QUOTE]
Late, but if Bales is the guy I think he is then I don't think he should be rehabilitated either.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;42004170]We place our lives in each other's hands. It is a kind of camaraderie that can scarcely be put into words. Our leaders look after us and we look after our leaders. To violate that trust is absolutely abhorrent. The military is like a family. This would be like your uncle shooting all of your siblings in cold blood.[/QUOTE]
lmao
you're perfect for the military or any institution
[IMG]http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/executions-map-2011.png[/IMG]
america is making good progress I see
it's kind of scary that the death sentence still exists in civilized countries
thought we lived in 2013
Tbh I don't see what the problem with the death penalty is! I mean, I hear it's doing great things for... Iraq, Iran, China, North Korea, Sudan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Somalia and the United States of America!
[editline]29th August 2013[/editline]
Forgot about Belarus! How silly of me.
You know, I also saw another interesting thread on the front page just now.
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1301701[/url]
That's an interesting double standard, especially considering both were tried in a military court and the one with the lighter sentence killed women and children - civilians.
Don't get me wrong, I think the death penalty is childish and barbaric, but the way these cases were handled tends to make one question how biased the tribunals are.
Now we can watch another example of why the death penalty doesn't work, not even slightly.
[QUOTE=Dysplasia;41999976]of course - only the retards that post in this [I]SH[/I]ithole could try to defend a mass shooter from punishment, a monster that killed 13 people and injured a few dozen more for no good reason.
I bet you guys are gonna tell me that others like Anders Breivik, maybe even Charles Manson should've seen no punishment, just a cozy bed and a shrink to rehabilitate them and send them off to walk among the people they tormented and hurt so much - the families of the people they murdered.
If wanting scum like Anders and Hasan dead is bad then you lot must be monsters for wanting them rehabilitated and walking among the families they hurt, only to hurt and torment them more simply by being around. Not everyone forgives, not everyone is willing to or has the money to seek therapy to help them cope with the loss much less the idea of the murderer being out and about, and in their mind, out to harm and/or kill them. If someone like Anders or Hasan were to get out I guarantee they'd probably be murdered anyway in an act of revenge.
You guys care about the murderer so much, but the people he affected so little, you lot call yourselves "humanitarians" but you're only thinking of the well-being of the mass-shooter, you're not thinking of the families who live in sadness and fear ever since it happened. You lot care about the one, but not the many, as with so many other people, you think about the one popular case, and not the many smaller cases.
Don't bother replying or trying to debate me, I don't care, I don't care about any of your opinions, I hardly even come to SH, I was linked here by a friend, I read some posts and wanted to maybe help others understand why some people want to see Hasan dead - The people he harmed will [I]never[/I] forget, and to forgive would be lucky.[/QUOTE]
You're the worst type of person.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;42004763]because the death sentence is purely sadistic[/QUOTE]
And keeping someone locked up for the rest of his life in a 5 by 5 cell isn't.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42007392]And keeping someone locked up for the rest of his life in a 5 by 5 cell isn't.[/QUOTE]
life is always better than oblivion
(protip: life sentences are rarely actually for life)
i can't believe, in the year 2013, there is still large support for capital punishment.
there is no two ways about it. murder is always wrong. no matter who you are murdering and for what reasons. killing them for killing is equally as wrong as the person's original killing(s). killing someone for killing makes no moral or logical sense. you cannot let emotion get the best of you when another human life is what pays the price. the death should stop at their original crime and not continue as punishment.
i do not care about the costs for the alternative. any cost is a price worth paying to prevent MORE loss of life, regardless of what value you give that life.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;41999693]Tell me, exactly, how do you rehabilitate a Terrorist?[/QUOTE]
Also to what extent do you handle a terrorist, its equivalent to the Geth from Mass Effect. Rehab/Brainwash them? Or genocide.
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;42007631]Also to what extent do you handle a terrorist, its equivalent to the Geth from Mass Effect. Rehab/Brainwash them? Or genocide.[/QUOTE]
yes real life should be treated JUST like the Mass Effect™ video game
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;42007506]life is always better than oblivion
(protip: life sentences are rarely actually for life)[/QUOTE]
Yeah I can see that guy who killed 13 dudes while yelling allahu ackbar come out of prison before he dies
Not really actually
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42007665]Yeah I can see that guy who killed 13 dudes while yelling allahu ackbar come out of prison before he dies
Not really actually[/QUOTE]
have you been to prison? do you know what it's like inside, especially for an incredibly high-profile inmate like hasan? he'll most definitely be under constant surveillance, if not flat-out solitary confinement
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;42007690]have you been to prison? do you know what it's like inside, especially for an incredibly high-profile inmate like hasan? he'll most definitely be under constant surveillance, if not flat-out solitary confinement[/QUOTE]
What exactly does this change ?
My point is, even if he was given life sentence, there is no way a judge would have let him out before he dies. I didn't even think of other inmates trying to end him if that's what you were thinking.
most of the time when people say "so-and-so won't last for *blank* amount of time in prison," they're implying so-and-so will get ganked in the showers or something
anyways, like i said before, any life at all is better than senselessly taking a life
The guy killed 13 people in the name of a god and as far as I'm concerned he's a threat to everyone until he's dead.
Also I didn't say he wasn't gonna last *blank* time in prison, I said he was never going to leave it anyway.
[QUOTE=thisispain;42002927]the first statement is baseless conjecture
the second statement is a moral statement
neither have a place in a criminal justice system[/QUOTE]
If morals dont have a place in the criminal justice system, why should anyone care about this man being sentenced to death. Thats a moral thing. Hell, theres a lot of morals that take place in the justice system. Bail, parole, and probation are some.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42007769]The guy killed 13 people in the name of a god and as far as I'm concerned he's a threat to everyone until he's dead.[/QUOTE]
oh yeah i'm sure he'd be a huge threat to literally everyone, sitting in maximum security federal prison
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;41999275]What an honour.[/QUOTE]
Obama does the gladiator thumb sideways, and with great suspense, points it downward. :v:
[QUOTE=areolop;42007774]If morals dont have a place in the criminal justice system, why should anyone care about this man being sentenced to death. Thats a moral thing. Hell, theres a lot of morals that take place in the justice system. Bail, parole, and probation are some.[/QUOTE]
the appeals process objectively wastes money for no real payoff. so either cut appeals (not gonna happen) or cut the death penalty - it's entirely pragmatic
[QUOTE=FPChris;41999372]It will also ensure that he won't try to kill anyone else, with his wheelchair.
[editline]28th August 2013[/editline]
Rehabilitation, oh wait, [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/us.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
There is no way I will ever be able to take you seriously after witnessing to incredible amount of stupidity, short sited thinking and blind elitism over the states in that godaweful post. For starters, he is a traitor. Second, if you read litterally fucking anything the man said about the issue you'd see rehabilitation would be fucking pointless and probably dangerous. Third, don't act as if it's indicative of America as a whole because any country's military would do the same, and it's a military court, not a civilian court. He's an enemy that committed fucking treason. Guess what, rehabilitation isn't a buzz word you can just throw around to insult America. God I could write pages about how aweful of a poster you are but it would just degenerate into flaming at some point.
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