No bitterness 10 years after Sikh killing over 9/11 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=OvB;32157035]Please don't listen to our backwater trash.[/QUOTE] No really, don't.

I've always found it funny(in a dark, fucked up way) that anti-muslim racists have more of similarity to muslim extremist terrorists than any Muslim-American. Damn society, you crazy.

[QUOTE=Shining_Sabe;32157208]He asked "why can't he just be racist?" You replied: Let's review: basically, you said he wasn't just racist because A) He lived in AZ B) He attacked a guy because he looked Muslim C) He bragged about it and you found all of these things to determine that he was not just a racist, but that he was a redneck too. Well, I don't know about you, but B makes me think that you assume that all rednecks are racists, since they attack people for looking like a specific race. Plus you said that the South is mostly conservative (very arguable, but I don't feel like looking up figures because frankly I don't care, people's governmental ideologies say nothing about their intelligence, sans groups like the tea party), racist, and uneducated, which is why I posted those figures disproving what you said. Also, how does the term redneck refer to a dumbass who commits a crime? Are you saying Hitler was a redneck because he killed thousands of people out of ignorance? I'm 99% sure he didn't sit outside with his dog Bo and spit tobacco in a can while shooting deer that lingered too close to his house with a shotgun.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, redneck is a derogatory term towards uneducated whites generally hailing from the south. I said the killer fits the redneck stereotype.

[QUOTE=Shining_Sabe;32157208] Sit outside with his dog Bo and spit tobacco in a can while shooting deer that lingered too close to his house with a shotgun.[/QUOTE] It's not that his idea of what a 'Redneck' is is wrong, he's right, they're typically an uneducated, usually southerner, usually heavily bigoted person. It's that your idea of a redneck is what a 12 year old pictures in his head. You're the one who's wrong here.

[QUOTE=Mr._N;32156457]Ideologically, yes. But appearance-wise? -fucking huge image snip- You cannot deny the similarities based on appearance.[/QUOTE] They are quite different, SIkhs wear a (usually brightly coloured) dastar which looks different to a headwrap some Muslims wear. There's more differences as well.

[QUOTE=Jsm;32157357]They are quite different, SIkhs wear a (usually brightly coloured) dastar which looks different to a headwrap some Muslims wear. There's more differences as well.[/QUOTE] Plus we have Sexy Moustaches. [img]http://img.mp3vips.com/images/covers/29/294935/art_294935_big.jpg[/img] Don't you see?

mine's better

[QUOTE=pyschomc;32157551]Plus we have Sexy Moustaches. [img]http://img.mp3vips.com/images/covers/29/294935/art_294935_big.jpg[/img] Don't you see?[/QUOTE] That [I]is[/I] a nice mustache...

[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;32157313]I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, redneck is a derogatory term towards uneducated whites generally hailing from the south. I said the killer fits the redneck stereotype.[/QUOTE] If you hate people that stereotypically are said to stereotype people of different ethnicities then doesn't that make you a little bit of a hypocrite?

[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;32157348]It's not that his idea of what a 'Redneck' is is wrong, he's right, they're typically an uneducated, usually southerner, usually heavily bigoted person. It's that your idea of a redneck is what a 12 year old pictures in his head. You're the one who's wrong here.[/QUOTE] [quote]By 1900, "rednecks" was in common use to designate the political coalitions (Democratic Party) of the poor white farmers in the South (Albert D. Kirwan, Revolt of the Rednecks: Mississippi Politics 1876-1925 (1951).)[/quote] Most modern-day farmworkers may be poor, but they're not uneducated.

[QUOTE=Shining_Sabe;32157779]Most modern-day farmworkers may be poor, but they're not uneducated.[/QUOTE] Is it still 1900? Do blacks and women still not have basic rights? Things change.

[QUOTE=Shining_Sabe;32157779]Most modern-day farmworkers may be poor, but they're not uneducated.[/QUOTE] If we wanna quote Wikipedia: [quote]By the 1970s, the term had turned into offensive slang and had expanded its meaning to mean bigoted, loutish and opposed to modern ways, and was often used as a term to attack Southern white conservatives and racists.[/quote] I wasn't calling him a poor farmworker.

There is a lot of sikh's in the entire west world, one of my teacher was married to one.

[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;32157813]If we wanna quote Wikipedia: I wasn't calling him a poor farmworker.[/QUOTE] [quote]Is it still 1900? Do blacks and women still not have basic rights? Things change. [/quote] The point was if you're going to argue about the exact meaning, it's original definition still stands. The point still is that he was referring to all of the South as stereotypical racist and uneducated rednecks anyways. Southerners don't see it as a derogatory term such as in the 1970s anyway, that was partly the point I was trying to make. It's sort of like the N word today, reversed in role as sort of a defiance of popular culture as well as a means of identification. We actually do view at as partly the stereotypical redneck: laid back, a hunter, etc, but not stupid or racist like he was trying to identify rednecks as. [quote=Merriam Webster]a white member of the Southern rural laboring class [/quote]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32156583]Amazing how you used a picture of Bin Laden as an example for Muslims.[/QUOTE]Damn, I wasn't thinking about how incredibly racist that post was.

[QUOTE=Shining_Sabe;32159090]The point was if you're going to argue about the exact meaning, it's original definition still stands. The point still is that he was referring to all of the South as stereotypical racist and uneducated rednecks anyways. Southerners don't see it as a derogatory term such as in the 1970s anyway, that was partly the point I was trying to make. It's sort of like the N word today, reversed in role as sort of a defiance of popular culture as well as a means of identification. We actually do view at as partly the stereotypical redneck: laid back, a hunter, etc, but not stupid or racist like he was trying to identify rednecks as.[/QUOTE] So I guess when people call gays "fags" they're just calling them cigarettes right?

[QUOTE=Mr._N;32156457]Ideologically, yes. But appearance-wise? [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Sikh_wearing_turban.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://dc-cdn.virtacore.com/2011/05/bin_laden_al-qaid_6856494x3.jpg[/IMG] You cannot deny the similarities based on appearance.[/QUOTE] Not every muslim wears a headwrap though, whereas with sikhs it's more of a necessity.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;32160488]Not every muslim wears a headwrap though, whereas with sikhs it's more of a necessity.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the problem isn't so much about them not being able to tell the difference as not knowing there is a difference. Most people unless they have a bit of knowledge about the region wouldn't even know the difference between an Indian and a Pakistani. It's a shame though, Sikh's are massive bros. Hard to think of someone being so stupid as to do a random shooting like that regardless of the situation, but that's even worse.

[QUOTE=Mr._N;32156457]Ideologically, yes. But appearance-wise? [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Sikh_wearing_turban.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://dc-cdn.virtacore.com/2011/05/bin_laden_al-qaid_6856494x3.jpg[/IMG] You cannot deny the similarities based on appearance.[/QUOTE]GOOD JOB, ONE HAS A PHONE AND ONE DOESN'T THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE. MAY FIFTY BOXES RAIN DOWN ON YOU. >:( Or some other typical Facepunch response.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;32160580]I'm pretty sure the problem isn't so much about them not being able to tell the difference as not knowing there is a difference. Most people unless they have a bit of knowledge about the region wouldn't even know the difference between an Indian and a Pakistani. It's a shame though, Sikh's are massive bros. Hard to think of someone being so stupid as to do a random shooting like that regardless of the situation, but that's even worse.[/QUOTE] you know your avatar kinda looks like he has a turban made out of hair

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;32160941]GOOD JOB, ONE HAS A PHONE AND ONE DOESN'T THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE. MAY FIFTY BOXES RAIN DOWN ON YOU. >:( Or some other typical Facepunch response.[/QUOTE] Not really a typical fp response.

[QUOTE=Da_Maniac_;32162071]Not really a typical fp response.[/QUOTE]Point out some insignificant detail, cling to it. This is the Facepunch way. Either way, though, he's right. There isn't much of an outward difference between the two to Average Joe.

Wow, left behind five kids and a wife, and was killed right after he donated and wanted to volunteer with the clean-up and everything. Aw man... I hope that guy in prison is rotting away in his own guilt. Someone must have told him what kind of person he murdered.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;32155907]I never got how you could confuse a sikh for a muslim. They're quite different, in my opinion.[/QUOTE] The problem is not that he was confused for a muslim, the problem is some faggot decided to kill people who had nothing to do with 9/11.

the tone of the article makes it sound as if it would have been not as bad for the guy to be killed if he was indeed muslim.

I love sikhs, they always look so awesome. [img]http://www.loupiote.com/photos_m/4162861084-sikh-nihang-singh-golden-temple-amritsar-india.jpg[/img] Also this guy looks like he's able fuck anyone over that tries to attack him :v: [img]http://www.funis2cool.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Enormous-Sikh-Turbans-02.jpg[/img] And this guy could probably just throw his turban at you to kill you.

[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;32160309]So I guess when people call gays "fags" they're just calling them cigarettes right?[/QUOTE] I like how you're showing an obvious example on how a word has changed meaning; yet you refuse to accept that the population of the South views the definition of redneck as a completely different view from your middle-aged definition. This is a case where the word has in fact almost made a full turnaround in meaning; it does in fact mean southern rural folk today, many of which hunt, chew tobacco, etc, many of which today aren't racist, uneducated, inbred hicks. EDIT: Hell, just listen to any country song. A quarter of them refer to themselves as rednecks and I'm pretty positive that they're not insulting themselves.

[QUOTE=Shining_Sabe;32164429]I like how you're showing an obvious example on how a word has changed meaning; yet you refuse to accept that the population of the South views the definition of redneck as a completely different view from your middle-aged definition. This is a case where the word has in fact almost made a full turnaround in meaning; it does in fact mean southern rural folk today, many of which hunt, chew tobacco, etc, many of which today aren't racist, uneducated, inbred hicks. EDIT: Hell, just listen to any country song. A quarter of them refer to themselves as rednecks and I'm pretty positive that they're not insulting themselves.[/QUOTE] Middle aged definition? Some Southerners may call themselves rednecks but everywhere else it's still an insult.

Why did I misread this as "Sith"?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32156583]Amazing how you used a picture of Bin Laden as an example for Muslims.[/QUOTE] Yeah but the kind of people who go out to kill muslims have probably only seen binladen and think that every person wearing a turban is a muslim.