[QUOTE=TheTalon;18686313]I said Al-Qaeda, not Foreign Fighters or Insurgents[/QUOTE]
Oh my days.
Funnily enough, Al Qaeda consists of normal people brainwashed by the ones with the power.
He actually only has 9 months (August 2010, when he said he would begin pulling them out of the Middle East) to meet one of the major promises that he made during his campaign. And one that most definitely helped him win the Presidency.
And if you look at it, our war strategy has not changed since Bush was President. Which was and still is to eliminate all Al-Qaeda elements while trying to stabilize the country.
Also, Approval rating.... dropping....dropping....dropping.... and it's gone.
Don't pull out, we need to keep fucking them.
Why don't they do Blitzkrieg? That would get things sorted, then when American soldiers execute Osama live on TV, Obama's Approval rating will go through the roof.
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[QUOTE=J-man123;18686405]Don't pull out, we need to keep fucking them.[/QUOTE]
:rimshot:
i don't get why you would say that
that's just telling the terrorists that they can just hide for three years and they will win
[QUOTE=radioactive;18686438]Why don't they do Blitzkrieg?[/QUOTE]
You try taking a highly mechanized, firepower oriented army into mountainous terrain.
"Deep and hard" has gained a whole new meaning from this thread.
[QUOTE=TH89;18687101][img]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/100825135_18f36cffae_o.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
no
shut
3 years. Way to go Slowbama.
[QUOTE=j-richardson;18683653]They're only deploying the extra troops because the US was accused of 'purposely' not finding Osama[/QUOTE]
He's more than likely dead, he was on a Dialisis machine. I really doubt he'd find someone he really trusted to give him a kidney.
[quote=Thread title]US forces to pull out "within three years"[/quote]
That's what she said. :smug:
[QUOTE=ssa gib A;18688464]That's what she said. :smug:[/QUOTE]
no she didn't you're not funny
[QUOTE=ssa gib A;18688464]That's what she said. :smug:[/QUOTE]
That was the worst attempt at a 'that's what she said' joke I have every seen.
Posting here since this was the first thread.
I heard a LOT of the same stuff that came out of Bush's mouth three years ago, I honestly expected to hear "stay the course" at any second, but apparently his speechwriters had enough common sense to know how tainted that phrase is.
He referred to Karzai as "Democratically elected" but marked by fraud, not what Karzai actually is, which is Bush's puppet president who stays in office thanks to blatantly stolen elections. There is nothing legitimate or democratic about Karzai, and Obama has honestly lost respect with me because he refused to acknowledge that.
Obama is also spewing the same Bush-era excuses for not pulling out. Safe havens? Operating with impunity? Fighting them over there instead of over here? We've been hearing that tired bullshit for half a decade, dude. We elected you because we wanted the situation to change, and now you're saying we're still going to be occupying that country at the end of your term, optimistically. Where's the new strategy you've been promising? Throw more people into the Afghan meat grinder and hope for the best? Keep propping up a government that everyone there knows isn't legit? Let the enemy keep lobbing attacks over the border at us while we camp on the cities?
I know it's a tough situation and that actual victory is essentially impossible at this point, but I am not happy that we're following the same old Bush doctrine of "staying the course". Three years from now, we'll have another thousand dead soldiers on our hands, hundreds of billions spent, and be no closer to any kind of resolution.
In closing, fuck the Afghans. As callous as this will sound, their country is not worth our blood and money. We have no responsability to those people. They hated us after we cut off aid once the Soviets left, they hated us when we invad...er, [i]liberated[/i] the country in '03, they hate us now, and they'll hate us when we leave. The whole rediculous concept of setting up a democratic ally in the Middle East will never happen, and it's incredibly stupid to keep pouring lives and money down that black hole just because we've spent the last 8 years pouring money into it. Just like the Soviets, nothing good will come of it, just death, destruction, and debt.
Same shit, different president. We're never getting out of this fucking recession.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;18686090]Does that make Stalin a centralist?[/QUOTE]
Who mentioned Stalin?
This is proof Obama thinks the pull-out method doesn't work as an effective method of birth control.
It's good that we've got a timetable and plan in place, but I hope we don't do a half-assed job finishing up because politics demand we get out right on time.
[QUOTE=Wayword;18685656]That joke went right over your head.[/QUOTE]
I knew it was a joke. I was only looking at it from a serious side.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;18693303]Posting here since this was the first thread.
I heard a LOT of the same stuff that came out of Bush's mouth three years ago, I honestly expected to hear "stay the course" at any second, but apparently his speechwriters had enough common sense to know how tainted that phrase is.
He referred to Karzai as "Democratically elected" but marked by fraud, not what Karzai actually is, which is Bush's puppet president who stays in office thanks to blatantly stolen elections. There is nothing legitimate or democratic about Karzai, and Obama has honestly lost respect with me because he refused to acknowledge that.
Obama is also spewing the same Bush-era excuses for not pulling out. Safe havens? Operating with impunity? Fighting them over there instead of over here? We've been hearing that tired bullshit for half a decade, dude. We elected you because we wanted the situation to change, and now you're saying we're still going to be occupying that country at the end of your term, optimistically. Where's the new strategy you've been promising? Throw more people into the Afghan meat grinder and hope for the best? Keep propping up a government that everyone there knows isn't legit? Let the enemy keep lobbing attacks over the border at us while we camp on the cities?
I know it's a tough situation and that actual victory is essentially impossible at this point, but I am not happy that we're following the same old Bush doctrine of "staying the course". Three years from now, we'll have another thousand dead soldiers on our hands, hundreds of billions spent, and be no closer to any kind of resolution.
In closing, fuck the Afghans. As callous as this will sound, their country is not worth our blood and money. We have no responsability to those people. They hated us after we cut off aid once the Soviets left, they hated us when we invad...er, [i]liberated[/i] the country in '03, they hate us now, and they'll hate us when we leave. The whole rediculous concept of setting up a democratic ally in the Middle East will never happen, and it's incredibly stupid to keep pouring lives and money down that black hole just because we've spent the last 8 years pouring money into it. Just like the Soviets, nothing good will come of it, just death, destruction, and debt.[/QUOTE]
it's basically vietnam 2.0
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"terrorists" instead of "commies"
[QUOTE=Urkel01;18700144]it's basically vietnam 2.0
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"terrorists" instead of "commies"[/QUOTE]
No it isn't, Obama said it's nothing like Vietnam because this time some other countries said it was okay for us to invade. :downs:
Yes, that was actually something he said in his speech.
I was honestly surprised Obama didn't say that Afghanistan was different from Vietnam because one is a desert and one is a jungle.
He also tried to justify the war by saying that [b]8 YEARS AGO[/b] all but one Congressmen supported the Afgahn invasion. And that we should all support the war because we did [b]8 FUCKING YEARS AGO[/b]. Great logic Barrack Oshithead. just because you never admit that you're wrong it doesn't mean nobody else does.
I also liked how he was telling the people of Afghanistan that he wasn't planning on occupying their country right after saying he's sending in 30,000 more troops to occupy their country with.
What's the problem with Obama wanting people to not die?
I don't know what to think, I'm staying out of this whole debate.
[QUOTE=Vince323;18709826]What's the problem with Obama wanting people to not die?[/QUOTE]
So that's why he's sending 30,000 young Americans into a foreign country that doesn't want them there?
I thought his plan was to let them die. I guess not. :downs:
Am I the only one who thinks Afghanistan could benefit greatly from a western infrastructure?/
Ultimately though, I tend to lean towards what Used Car Salesman said; Fuck the afghans. Not worth the time, money and blood that will be spilt to fix their shit.
[QUOTE=professional;18711309]Am I the only one who thinks Afghanistan could benefit greatly from a western infrastructure?/
Ultimately though, I tend to lean towards what Used Car Salesman said; Fuck the afghans. Not worth the time, money and blood that will be spilt to fix their shit.[/QUOTE]
You weren't exactly ever doing the Afgan's any favours.
[QUOTE=professional;18711309]Am I the only one who thinks Afghanistan could benefit greatly from a western infrastructure?[/QUOTE]
decades of perceived foreign intervention and actual foreign intervention has strengthened the country's already influential traditionalist element. western infrastructure would only act as a source of friction in the country
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;18686090]Does that make Stalin a centralist?[/QUOTE]
no, because obama and stalin don't really have that much in common politically
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