[QUOTE=Levithan;49760584]The Cis are at it again I see.
They truly are the world's Biggest Disappointment.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Hitler]The Jews are at it again I see.
They truly are the world Biggest Disappointment.[/quote]
[quote=Custer]The Indians are at it again I see.
They truly are the world's Biggest Disappointment.[/quote]
[quote=George Wallace]The blacks are at it again I see.
They truly are the world's Biggest Disappointment.[/quote]
Shitty law though, can't disagree there. Let people decide on their own which bathroom they wish to use.
[QUOTE=Levithan;49760734]I thought maybe capitalizing random words this time would help convey that I'm being facetious, nest time I'll try putting a :dog: at the end and see how people react then.
But seriously the faceless monsters who run the world that are The Cis :dog: need to get over their baseless fears and let normal people just friggin' pee in whatever restroom they want already. Shit's hard enough as it is without the CISTEM'S LAWS :dog: bearing down upon us.[/QUOTE]
as the old adage goes, ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
[QUOTE=Levithan;49760734]I thought maybe capitalizing random words this time would help convey that I'm being facetious, nest time I'll try putting a :dog: at the end and see how people react then.
But seriously the faceless monsters who run the world that are The Cis :dog: need to get over their baseless fears and let normal people just friggin' pee in whatever restroom they want already. Shit's hard enough as it is without the CISTEM'S LAWS :dog: bearing down upon us.[/QUOTE]
Can you seriously just stop shitposting? I'd also like to add that your posts are shit and they aren't funny.
[QUOTE=GmanIsJoker;49760552]And whose privacy exactly is this supposed to protect? Do these lawmakers not care about the way this might make transgender people feel?
The reason that transgender people use bathrooms corresponding to their [i]gender[/i] is because they want to be recognized as such. What this is basically doing is telling transgender people that the feelings that they have, of not feeling comfortable with their biological sex, are not legitimate. I am very surprised at the fact that we are still having these kinds of discussions...[/QUOTE]
The privacy of everyone, basically. Guys don't want girls in their restroom, girls dont want guys in theirs, transgenders are the only ones everyone has issues with figuring out what to do with and end up being the odd ones out - IE end up getting their own bathroom .
Personally, it sounds like you are thinking into it too much. They can be recognized as their gender and still use a trans bathroom. For now, it will probably need to be that way. Quite a few women would not be too happy with, what appeared to be, men in women's clothing using the women's restroom.
[QUOTE=Gurant;49760681]I don't get why not all bathrooms can be unisex.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it's just a personal issue, but I'd rather stay safe in the knowledge that I can comfortably take shit with zero possibility of hot girls in the being in the immediate vicinity
[QUOTE=Levithan;49760584]The Cis are at it again I see.
They truly are the world's Biggest Disappointment.[/QUOTE]
Less of a disappointment than SJWs, whose wonderful contributions to society effectively boil down to attacking pop culture and gaming, trying to gain a foothold/majority in said cultures to facilitate further attacks on the above, deeming themselves to be morally superior and thus in a position to dictate what people can and cannot enjoy or cannot handle seeing/reading/hearing, and creating a cancerous culture where everyone is playing the Oppression Olympics where the goal is to be perpetually offended and trying to one-up each other on how offended they can get.
It's not about equality. Never has been, never will be. If SJWs wanted to make real change they'd be going after child trafficking, sex tourism (which often facilitates that), the systematic mistreatment of women in the middle east, but no, 'nerds' and their video games and them enjoying things your kind claims to like in a way you don't like is far more important.
[QUOTE=Levithan;49760734]I thought maybe capitalizing random words this time would help convey that I'm being facetious, nest time I'll try putting a :dog: at the end and see how people react then.
But seriously the faceless monsters who run the world that are The Cis :dog: need to get over their baseless fears and let normal people just friggin' pee in whatever restroom they want already. Shit's hard enough as it is without the CISTEM'S LAWS :dog: bearing down upon us.[/QUOTE]
are you feeling all right
i go into a bathroom to primarily take a piss not look at someone's cock, so i don't understand the issue with people going into what bathroom they want. if you want to go in the girls room, then fucking go.
its just a bathroom.
I can understand why they're doing this.
One of the goals of a school is to create a comfortable environment for the students. Pretend for a moment that you're a female student and you see a biological male in the women's bathroom. You don't know anything about the situation except that there's a penis out in the women's bathroom. Would you be uncomfortable? Or should trans students be required to wear badges identifying them as such? Or would you just rather not deal with the problem and require trans students to use single-person bathrooms?
Furthermore, it's stupid that we diagnose gender dysphoria in teens in the first place.
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49760772]I can understand why they're doing this.
One of the goals of a school is to create a comfortable environment for the students. Pretend for a moment that you're a female student and you see a biological male in the women's bathroom. You don't know anything about the situation except that there's a penis out in the women's bathroom. Would you be uncomfortable? Or should trans students be required to wear badges identifying them as such? Or would you just rather not deal with the problem and require trans students to use single-person bathrooms?
Furthermore, it's stupid that we diagnose gender dysphoria in teens in the first place.[/QUOTE]
women's bathrooms are all stalls bud. if there's anything out outside of the stalls its a problem in and of itself separately
[QUOTE=DiscoMelon;49760617]Wow, so they force use of a special bathroom for trans people now just to make sure that none of them manage to integrate or be treated as normal people by their peers. That doesn't sound like segregation at all.[/QUOTE]
Having reasonable accommodations for trans students is segregation? What about the non-trans students who could become uncomfortable going to the bathroom? What happens to them?
Schools are in a tight balancing act where the majority will rule because they do not have the funds to tend to every student's personal beliefs or needs. As much as it would be great to have trans students use whatever bathroom they identify with, other students may not be comfortable with that and the school has to look at the best interests of all of them.
I don't see how this is bad, like most girls don't want dudes in their bathroom and vice versa. Giving a neutral third option seems like a fair compromise as well as the only cost effective option
[QUOTE=FordLord;49760746]The privacy of everyone, basically. Guys don't want girls in their restroom, girls dont want guys in theirs, transgenders are the only ones everyone has issues with figuring out what to do with and end up being the odd ones out - IE end up getting their own bathroom .
Personally, it sounds like you are thinking into it too much. They can be recognized as their gender and still use a trans bathroom. For now, it will probably need to be that way. Quite a few women would not be too happy with, what appeared to be, men in women's clothing using the women's restroom.[/QUOTE]
Do I really have to post that one picture of the transman with a huge beard and muscles in a womans bathroom because that's where you want him?
[QUOTE=VIOLATION_SNG;49760783]women's bathrooms are all stalls bud. if there's anything out outside of the stalls its a problem in and of itself separately[/QUOTE]
Replace penis with beard or any other definitively masculine feature that a biological male might posses.
The point isn't that there will be penises all over the place and for everyone to see, the point is that a biological male in a female bathroom will likely make people uncomfortable.
[QUOTE=Foogooman;49760692]I'm looking forward to the backlash when everyone realizes that some men are now -required- to use the women's room[/QUOTE]
It's a near-guarantee that nobody involved in any of these bills, at any level, in any of the states, is aware of trans men in any capacity, or of trans women as anything other than "bald 60yo hairy man in a nightgown"
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49760772]Furthermore, it's stupid that we diagnose gender dysphoria in teens in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Only if you have literally no idea what you're talking about, lol.
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49760806]Replace penis with beard or any other definitively masculine feature that a biological male might posses.
The point isn't that there will be penises all over the place and for everyone to see, the point is that a biological male in a female bathroom will likely make people uncomfortable.[/QUOTE]
I know it won't happen instantly but it's probably better to try and correct the fear than accommodate it. Not saying this way or that way is the right way, just that we shouldn't have to have this separation if we can help it.
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49760772]Furthermore, it's stupid that we diagnose gender dysphoria in teens in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Yes, we should diagnose it[I] before[/I] puberty. :v:
[QUOTE=Alice3173;49760822]Only if you have literally no idea what you're talking about, lol.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't trust a high-school student in the midst of puberty to make a permanent, life changing decision in regards to their gender identity.
Even among adults, you have cases of people who later regret the decision to transition.
[QUOTE]Yes, we should diagnose it before puberty.[/QUOTE]
How about we not diagnose gender dysphoria at all until you're an adult?
[QUOTE] I know it won't happen instantly but it's probably better to try and correct the fear than accommodate it. Not saying this way or that way is the right way, just that we shouldn't have to have this separation if we can help it. [/QUOTE]
That's the thing though. Most people aren't accepting, and regardless of what you or I think about it we have to accommodate the majority. Trying to force social change only backfires.
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49760842]I wouldn't trust a high-school student in the midst of puberty to make a permanent, life changing decision in regards to their gender identity.
Even among adults, you have cases of people who later regret the decision to transition.
How about we not diagnose gender dysphoria at all until you're an adult?[/QUOTE]
The thing about Gender Dysphoria is that it isn't just something that people decide they feel or experience. It sounds like you just may be uninformed about what it is, not trying to hate on you.
We honestly need to adopt gender neutral facilities already. If there are any concerns about molesters just design the place so that One camera keeps an eye on entrances to the stalls plus one for the entrance into the toilet itself plus the other camera to make tampering impossible except for mission impossible levels of trickery. There would be no way that they couldn't be identified
[QUOTE=Levithan;49760734]Shit's hard enough as it is without the CISTEM'S LAWS :dog: bearing down upon us.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you should talk about bigots and people with backwards ideas instead of just putting 99.99% of the worlds population into one group and blaming them collectively.
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49760806]Replace penis with beard or any other definitively masculine feature that a biological male might posses.
The point isn't that there will be penises all over the place and for everyone to see, the point is that a biological male in a female bathroom will likely make people uncomfortable.[/QUOTE]
1. Biological women can have masculine features too.
2. "Feeling uncomfortable" is not an argument. You can also feel uncomfortable about other people who aren't transgender, even though they are allowed to use the bathroom. "Feeling uncomfortable" was also used against blacks in the 20. century, which lead to segregation. Guess what we have here - segregation.
[QUOTE=Levithan;49760734]I thought maybe capitalizing random words this time would help convey that I'm being facetious, nest time I'll try putting a :dog: at the end and see how people react then.
But seriously the faceless monsters who run the world that are The Cis :dog: need to get over their baseless fears and let normal people just friggin' pee in whatever restroom they want already. Shit's hard enough as it is without the CISTEM'S LAWS :dog: bearing down upon us.[/QUOTE]
I get that your only form of coping with things is shitposting but can you stop? People are trying to have a discussion and all you do is come in here and
a. rattle them up
b. look like an idiot
c. shitpost
You contribute nothing to this
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49760842]I wouldn't trust a high-school student in the midst of puberty to make a permanent, life changing decision in regards to their gender identity.
Even among adults, you have cases of people who later regret the decision to transition.[/QUOTE]
Again, this is only true if you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Do you think trained professionals are really retarded enough to not be certain that it's the right diagnosis? I don't understand how so many people such as yourself seem to think trained professionals are total retards, lol. At least make a slight effort to actually educate yourself before saying stupid shit.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49760600]What stops people from claiming that they ID as the opposite sex to get to go into locker rooms and bathrooms? I'm legit curious[/QUOTE]
The same thing that stops people of the opposite sex in general from going into locker rooms and bathrooms.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49760637]Well if you take a step back, you realize there's a really fucking simple way of doing this. Doctors notes. That's right, if your transitioning, then you should be under psychological council, or under council of a doctor, how fucking hard would it be for a doctor to say, "hey, steve is actually steph, and should use the ladies room instead of the mens room". But we don't want to see it that way because we want to make a big fucking deal about this shit.
No one in their right fucking mind is going to go to a psychologist, or a doctor and say "hey i'm pretty sure i'm a girl/guy trapped in the opposing body, start me on treatments" just so they can see the opposing sex's bodies. Especially not with the damn internet around.[/QUOTE]
You can certainly argue that your solution is better for society as it cracks down on people disingenuously using gender dysphoria to perv out on people of the opposite sex (i presume this is the hypothetical you are working with) but you can't say creating laws and forcing transgender people to get medical documentation is simpler than keeping with the current status quo. And you're right, under your proposal I don't think really anyone would go to their doctor and try to get said documentation just to check out girls or guys in bathrooms or locker rooms or whatever, but I really don't think that's happening right now either, so I don't see the point in legislating it.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49760671]If you diagnosed yourself with it, then you have no excuse to use the facilities. If you've been diagnosed by a physician then they shouldn't have any problems helping you make arrangements with the school.
Essentially this: Go see the damn doctor, a self diagnosis isn't good enough to warrant special treatment.[/QUOTE]
In this case, it isn't transgender people asking for special treatment, it's the government of South Dakota legislating special treatment of transgendered people.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;49760784]Having reasonable accommodations for trans students is segregation? What about the non-trans students who could become uncomfortable going to the bathroom? What happens to them?
Schools are in a tight balancing act where the majority will rule because they do not have the funds to tend to every student's personal beliefs or needs. As much as it would be great to have trans students use whatever bathroom they identify with, other students may not be comfortable with that and the school has to look at the best interests of all of them.[/QUOTE]
It should not be a matter of belief because trans kids definitely exist. I would say their need to fit into their gender far outweighs a few students being uncomfortable due to their own ignorance.
Let's say Kylie, a trans girl, needs to take a massive dump. She is a girl (I claim this so boldly because it has been verified through multiple neuro- and psychological studies over the decades), so she would, logically, go into the girl's washroom - to coerce her to go into the boy's washroom would be erasing her identity, and to tell her that she needs to go into the Trans Bathroom is unfairly singling her out. So she goes into the girl's washroom. When she enters, she goes right into a stall and does her business, then washes her hands and leaves. Like people do. Maybe somebody else comes in so she says hi as she leaves.
How can that offend someone more than she would be if she were not allowed in? How are they equivocal issues? My reasoning is that although expelling waste is a biological function, bathrooms are for some reason socially coded for men or women, generally, so it only follows that you would choose the bathroom for the gender you socialize as. Like literally everyone should be able to.
[QUOTE=NoOneKnowsMe;49760861]1. Biological women can have masculine features too.
2. "Feeling uncomfortable" is not an argument. You can also feel uncomfortable about other people who aren't transgender, even though they are allowed to use the bathroom. "Feeling uncomfortable" was also used against blacks in the 20. century, which lead to segregation. Guess what we have here - segregation.[/QUOTE]
Biological women generally don't have prominent beards, penises or other [I]definitively [/I]masculine features.
There's a difference between racial segregation and this. Racial segregation is not only without good cause, but also detrimental to the minority. Segregation based on gender identity is quite literally separate but equal.
Do you also believe that having male/female bathrooms in the first place is segregation, akin to what black people experienced in the US during the early 20th century?
[QUOTE]Again, this is only true if you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Do you think trained professionals are really retarded enough to not be certain that it's the right diagnosis? I don't understand how so many people such as yourself seem to think trained professionals are total retards, lol. At least make a slight effort to actually educate yourself before saying stupid shit. [/QUOTE]
You're telling me that if someone says that they're trans, they are. This isn't true in the case of adults, let alone teenagers.
If you need an example, look at Michael/Megan Wallent, a Microsoft executive who transitioned from male to female and back again.
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