Improving Content ID for creators - AKA YouTube actually doing something about DMCA abuse for once.

[Tracker]

[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;50219399]I'm still of the opinion this doesn't actually [b]solve[/b] anything, though.

The major problem with YouTube's claims system is that it immediately assumes the accuser is correct and the accused is in the wrong. It is a "guilty until proven innocent" system.

I feel that the burden of proof should be on the accuser: if you make a claim against a video, [b]you[/b] have to go through a process making the argument that the video is infringing on your rights and should be flagged.

Right now, the [B]accused[/B] has to go through a process making the argument that the video is [b]not[/b] infringing on the accuser's rights, which I feel to be backwards.

Of course, I don't expect YouTube to ever do this. They'll surely upset some of their corporate bed-buddies by not giving them instant gratification and complete authority, and God forbid YouTube lose a few of those dolla dolla billz, ya'll.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure it works like that. It is just worded confusingly. If you read the text in the image, it notes that a dispute starts [B]as soon as[/B] two parties are attempting to monetize a video. If you are not running ads, the claim is awarded to the second party instantly, which can be contested in a formal process.

However, if you are running ads (monetizing a video), the dispute begins as soon as there is a conflict. No funds are awarded until the claim of rights to the video is resolved.

Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I don't believe that it awards funds to the second party until the dispute is contested.

[Wolveras]

Doesn't the counter-claim directly go to the accusing party who decides if it's "valid" or not?
Sounds like playing your own judge, jury and executioner.

[fruxodaily]

the idea sounds good but i know see people triggering content ID claims immediately or stealthily so the creator has little to no time to dispute it

i can't see why YT doesn't glass jar the payments the moment someone lodges a content ID claim, that seems logical to me

[soulharvester]

Yeah, I can imagine lots of trolls instantly claiming videos right when they launch to get the majority of the instant ad revenue from subscribers before the user can dispute it.

[Map in a box]

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50223289]the idea sounds good but i know see people triggering content ID claims immediately or stealthily so the creator has little to no time to dispute it

i can't see why YT doesn't glass jar the payments the moment someone lodges a content ID claim, that seems logical to me[/QUOTE]

why would it be possible for them to be "stealthy" about it
that'd just bury them in a monumental hole if it was possible for both the claimer and YT.

[Papa Gator]

And suddenly there is a drop in troll DMCA take downs.

[The Commander]

About time, I've had a couple videos of mine with false take down requests requests.

[[Sage] Cblt]

At least it's going in a better direction right now.
I really hope something can be done about prank channels.

It's a good start tho'.

[Geel]

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50223289]the idea sounds good but i know see people triggering content ID claims immediately or stealthily so the creator has little to no time to dispute it

i can't see why YT doesn't glass jar the payments the moment someone lodges a content ID claim, that seems logical to me[/QUOTE]

...what? That's what they ARE doing.

[editline]2nd May 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=meppers;50219540]"money will be paid to 3rd party unless creator disputes the claim"

so the company that places a claim still takes all the cash until the creator files the claim?

that means creators need to jump on this shit FAST. I hope youtube gives the creator a window of time to dispute the claim before money is sent to the 3rd party.[/QUOTE]

...no? YouTube holds the money while the dispute is taking place. "Unless", not "until."

[Curls]

I must say, out of all thieves out there, content ID trolls are probably the scummiest people alive

I can't think of something more scummy to do than deliberately fraudulently taking money away from someone who worked for that cash

imagine if someone went to your workplace and took your paycheck you worked your ass off for, for themselves

at the same time, it's the system that allows them to do this. The law really needs to be changed so that youtube and its content creators stops getting [B]FUCKED[/B]

[Artix3]

[QUOTE=geel9;50240495]...no? YouTube holds the money while the dispute is taking place. "Unless", not "until."[/QUOTE]

Just to clarify, the content ID troll gets money from the period they match content ID until the creator disputes the claim. So you need to act quickly to dispute the claim, because they're going to get all the ad revenue up until you dispute.