'Disabled children cost too much and should be put down': Calls for councillor to resign over rant - Polidicks

Ohgod, if something happens to me and I end up physically disabled to an extreme scale, please let me die unless I can [I]directly and actively[/I] benefit humanity -or- you can like, digitize my brain or something. Don't leave me trapped there, thats not living to me, thats simply existing. But the key theme here is it[I] must[/I] be their choice or the choice of their guardians if they literally cannot make that choice themselves or their choice is impossible to determine.

[QUOTE=Terragen;39736889]Then how about cut government spending on them? The government spends way too much on them as it is, why they even have a budget for them is beyond me. Why should they hand out money to families who can't afford it? Shouldn't have had the kid in the first place. Why is the government always responsible for giving out money, especially in situations like this.[/QUOTE] then what's the fucking money for? Attack drones? Thermobaric weapons? Punishment based prison systems? Maybe just paying terrible politicians? Even homoeopathy under the NHS, the government can save a lot of money and it shouldn't come from people who actually need it.

[QUOTE=DrogenViech;39736949]I don't know if this only a half-educated opinion, please do not be immediately butthurt by this! D: This will become a serious topic in a few thousand or even hundred years, when people with diseases continue to survive due to healthcare getting better and better. What i'm trying to say is that they create offspring which would have never survived in conditions we humans originally lived in, thus 'poisoning' the gene pool, creating more and more minor flaws in humans We ultimatively get so smart and create healthcare good enough that even people with major diseases survie, so that we have to do natural selection on our own, by not letting people with certain diseases reproduce, as cruel as it sounds. I really hope i'll be long dead by when this will become a major concern Oh god, that was ~soo deep~ right now, it's awful :v:[/QUOTE] Well many people with serious hereditary disorders choose not to reproduce for the fear that their children will be disabled, but if you're talking about the far future, where our medical science is THAT advanced, then we could possibly nip it in the bud by altering dna or something along those lines to get rid of those disorders.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;39737119] I think they should only be put down if they decide to do so themselves, if they can't decide for themselves or don't want to die then we just have to put up it, it's the price to pay for a progressive human society. We should not be deciding whether they(or anyone really) should live or die.[/QUOTE] And I'm saying it should be up to the parents/guardians. The mentally ill people cannot think for themself and honestly what is the point of their existence if they cannot function as a normal human being? If you were given 2 choices to give to your friend; Torture for the rest(!) of his life or a quick death, you would choose the latter. That's the humane thing to do. And to clarify again I'm only talking about the very serious cases of mental illness.

Also can we stop saying "put down" it's either euthanasia or murder.

[QUOTE=Vintage Thatguy;39735838]I agree they cost too much but they shouldn't be killed or anything like that. I think it's irresponsible not to abort children with disabilities considering they most likely will not live up to much and are just so costly. We have 20 autistic kids at my school and every single one gets a brand new iPad 2. They're also treated like shit and made fun of by students and are visibly upset most of the day.[/QUOTE] Hooold on, you are suggesting aborting children with a pervasive [B]development[/B] disorder that doesn't become clear till the age of about 4? Okay. Not to mention that is bordering on literal Nazi level evil.

If we're going to force people to be put down, I say start with these social darwinist bastards.

[QUOTE=Terragen;39736889]Then how about cut government spending on them? The government spends way too much on them as it is, why they even have a budget for them is beyond me. Why should they hand out money to families who can't afford it? Shouldn't have had the kid in the first place. Why is the government always responsible for giving out money, especially in situations like this.[/QUOTE] Are you for real? How dare a first world country look after its citizens?!

[QUOTE=buro;39736246]I don't want to live in a world where human worth is measured in his potential to "benefit society".[/QUOTE] Your worth is already measured in the amount of wealth you have. Scaling someones worth on their overall benefit to society would be a step up.

[QUOTE=CheezyCakez;39737273]And I'm saying it should be up to the parents/guardians. The mentally ill people cannot think for themself and honestly what is the point of their existence if they cannot function as a normal human being? If you were given 2 choices to give to your friend; Torture for the rest(!) of his life or a quick death, you would choose the latter. That's the humane thing to do. And to clarify again I'm only talking about the very serious cases of mental illness.[/QUOTE] You're literately trying to justify this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4[/url] You are trying to justify genocide becasue you think you know what's better for everyone.

[QUOTE=Appellation;39736711]Wow sociopaths are usually [I]harder[/I] to spot than vegans. Could this be a new test? Meat "Murderer!" Disabled children "Kill 'em all!"[/QUOTE] ...holy crap, it's working.

[QUOTE=tdnoob;39737378]You're literately trying to justify this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4[/url] You are trying to justify genocide becasue you think you know what's better for everyone.[/QUOTE] Its the same logic as the councillor in the article is using to be honest. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/EnthanasiePropaganda.jpg[/img] Seems pretty damn familiar.

[QUOTE=BloodyDragon;39735929]depends... mentally disabled? yea put them out of their misery not like they are going to benefit society in any way [/QUOTE] You are saying that as if mentally disabled people aren't self-aware And I'm very much self-aware thank you.

[QUOTE=Axznma;39737360]Your worth is already measured in the amount of wealth you have. Scaling someones worth on their overall benefit to society would be a step up.[/QUOTE] why the fuck does it even matter; they're people who gets to decide what benefits society anyway; maybe how much work you do for BAE or how much you've bought from exxon? how many people you've shot in somewhere sandy or perhaps how many terrible songs you've sung and sold for millions so it isn't labour done and capital earned so that's all of the quantifiable options gone

Kill them for strengthen society and worker.

[QUOTE=Terragen;39736889]Then how about cut government spending on them? The government spends way too much on them as it is, why they even have a budget for them is beyond me. Why should they hand out money to families who can't afford it? Shouldn't have had the kid in the first place. Why is the government always responsible for giving out money, especially in situations like this.[/QUOTE] Because nobody expects to have a disabled child.

[QUOTE=CheezyCakez;39737273]And I'm saying it should be up to the parents/guardians. The mentally ill people cannot think for themself and honestly what is the point of their existence if they cannot function as a normal human being? If you were given 2 choices to give to your friend; Torture for the rest(!) of his life or a quick death, you would choose the latter. That's the humane thing to do. And to clarify again I'm only talking about the very serious cases of mental illness.[/QUOTE] What if it was your child? What if you spent years caring for and raising your own child, only for the government to take your child away and kill them because their disabilities were costing them too much?

Some People in this thread actully agree with this guy? thats just, what the fuck.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;39737504]People in this thread actully agree with this guy? thats just, what the fuck.[/QUOTE] facepunch is full of creepy, bigoted libertarian sociopaths, usually they just hide it and spew all this shit on to reddit or something

Why kill them when you can eat them? [url=http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html][img]http://i.imgur.com/sCcT0m5.jpg[/img][/url]

[QUOTE=koeniginator;39737543]Why kill them when you can eat them? [url=http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html][img]http://i.imgur.com/sCcT0m5.jpg[/img][/url][/QUOTE] my my what a modest proposal

[QUOTE=NoDachi;39737549]my my what a modest proposal[/QUOTE] I'm not sure the public would embrace it. Too many of them are high in toxic metals.

[QUOTE=Hatley;39737470]What if it was your child? What if you spent years caring for and raising your own child, only for the government to take your child away and kill them because their disabilities were costing them too much?[/QUOTE] I dunno about the others but I'm only saying it should be with parents consent. Anyway if my child was very mentally ill and there was very little possibility of a cure, I would put him/her down. For both of our sakes. But what do I know, I've never been a parent before.

[QUOTE=CheezyCakez;39737818]I dunno about the others but I'm only saying it should be with parents consent. Anyway if my child was very mentally ill and there was very little possibility of a cure, I would put him/her down. For both of our sakes.[/QUOTE] please stop referring to the mentally ill as if they were animals. its not your place to decide who gets 'put down' and who doesn't

[QUOTE=Bobie;39737845]please stop referring to the mentally ill as if they were animals. its not your place to decide who gets 'put down' and who doesn't[/QUOTE] Technically they are animals. Since humans are animals.

[QUOTE=Harry3;39736057]highly doubt youre going to "benefit society" either, might as well put you out of your misery[/QUOTE] you just posted from opera im p sure that qualifies you for mentally disabled [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Dumb" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

Well im not against killing certain kinds of disabled people, if it has been asked for by the parents and relatives. but im talking about the severely disabled, like the ones that leave you in an almost vegative state and would require assistance for the rest of your life. But im certainty aint going to force it upon people who don't want it, unlike this ass.

[QUOTE=CheezyCakez;39737273]And I'm saying it should be up to the parents/guardians. The mentally ill people cannot think for themself and honestly what is the point of their existence if they cannot function as a normal human being? If you were given 2 choices to give to your friend; Torture for the rest(!) of his life or a quick death, you would choose the latter. That's the humane thing to do. And to clarify again I'm only talking about the very serious cases of mental illness.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CheezyCakez;39737818]I dunno about the others but I'm only saying it should be with parents consent. Anyway if my child was very mentally ill and there was very little possibility of a cure, I would put him/her down. For both of our sakes. But what do I know, I've never been a parent before.[/QUOTE] You are a terrible, terrible person. It's pretty fucking obvious you have 0 knowledge of what you're talking about. [i]"If kids are born differently than what I think is okay, then they should be murdered!" -CheezyCakez 2013[/i] I dare you to say that to a mother and father of a disabled child, sure disabled kids cost a lot in medical fees, but do you think they care? No, they love their child no matter what they look like. And don't bullshit me with the "I'd put my kid out of its misery" shtick, if you spent 9 months with your wife through all the trials of pregnancy, you wouldn't be all like "LOL IT'S BROKEN THROW IT AWAY!" And what makes you think these kids are in "pain"? Do you think they're in constant pain like a perma-bellyache or something? No, children who are born with a condition that puts them in a constant state of discomfort usually don't make it out of the hospital. It makes me wonder if you've even been near a handicapped person for more than 5 minutes, because a lot of mentally challenged kids are, for the most part, happy. They find things we find trivial to be fun and exciting, my mother walked up to a girl with cerebral palsy at Walmart one time and she was just so happy that someone was actually talking to her. tl;dr: [sp]stop posting[/sp]

hitler wasnt right on every choice but he was dead on for mentally disabled

[QUOTE=BrainDeath;39737417]why the fuck does it even matter; they're people who gets to decide what benefits society anyway; maybe how much work you do for BAE or how much you've bought from exxon? how many people you've shot in somewhere sandy or perhaps how many terrible songs you've sung and sold for millions so it isn't labour done and capital earned so that's all of the quantifiable options gone[/QUOTE] I said it would be a step up because working at a fast food joint is benefiting the economy, and therefore benefiting society. As is, you as a person are worthless without wealth; and what worth from wealth you have is scaled to the general cultural outlook of standards. People are [I]not[/I] made equal, that's the fact of life that our global society has created. Society determines your worth, and as of now the global population determines that based on wealth. A person can do little to nothing of honest, good value toward society yet be immensely wealthy and therefore being worth more than any normal person will ever be. Scaling your worth based on your benefit to society means wealth isn't the prime standard, meaning the middle and lower classes can have real worth; even the poor and homeless can have real worth based on their actions taken. It's a step up from wealth based worth; I didn't say I agreed that either system was good or that I endorsed them (a beneficial based worth system would likely be bogged down in red tape so heavily it would never work properly anyways; and there's too many variables to take into account). I am simply explaining how the real world works; the poster I quoted said they didn't want to live in a world where your worth is determined based on how you can benefit society -- I am pointing out that such a [I]properly[/I] working system would be better for the overall population than the current one. You get out of the system what you put in; the perfect world scenario (and why it's unlikely such a thing will come to pass any time soon).