'Disabled children cost too much and should be put down': Calls for councillor to resign over rant

[Curls]

So many shit posters in this thread I swear

[editline]27th February 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=Terragen;39736889]Then how about cut government spending on them? The government spends way too much on them as it is, why they even have a budget for them is beyond me. Why should they hand out money to families who can't afford it? Shouldn't have had the kid in the first place. Why is the government always responsible for giving out money, especially in situations like this.[/QUOTE]

you sure are the king of shitty ideas aren't you

do us a favor and never go into politics.

[KILLTHIS]

[QUOTE=DrogenViech;39736949]I don't know if this only a half-educated opinion, please do not be immediately butthurt by this! D:

This will become a serious topic in a few thousand or even hundred years, when people with diseases continue to survive due to healthcare getting better and better.

What i'm trying to say is that they create offspring which would have never survived in conditions we humans originally lived in, thus 'poisoning' the gene pool, creating more and more minor flaws in humans

We ultimatively get so smart and create healthcare good enough that even people with major diseases survie, so that we have to do natural selection on our own, by not letting people with certain diseases reproduce, as cruel as it sounds.

I really hope i'll be long dead by when this will become a major concern

Oh god, that was ~soo deep~ right now, it's awful :v:[/QUOTE]
Actually, even though I am autistic, I had the very same thought some time ago. Healthcare and society takes away the natural selection. Yet it also shows some advantage in comparison with animals. We have the choice and the possibilities to overcome these difficulties. Imagine someone would find a cure for some disease - dunno, whatever it is. These people are suddenly able to live just as normal lives as everyone else and don't continue to pass on their once had disabilities - it shows easily enough that we wouldn't take advantage of our possibilities and would just hack and slash through anything that doesn't meet a certain standard, even though this very individual never had a choice or any options about it.

Back to topic: That guy is a serious douchebag. "Oh, you have Down Syndrome? TOO BAD!" Really. If we just all think about money, we become nothing but robots even in our choices. It's inhumane.

And at those guys complaining about autistic fpers (even though it's meant in a funny way): How about you come over to my house and I'll put my foot so deep in your asses so you can actually lick it clean? Thanks.

Edit: Woops forgot something: Yeah, I'm mentally challenged, but I actually earn enough money to handle myself and even support my mother. It's so fucking stupid, seriously. Take away aaaaaaaaaall the potential in those kids. That will do so much good. Idiots.

[Aphtonites]

[QUOTE=Hiccuper;39737257]Well many people with serious hereditary disorders choose not to reproduce for the fear that their children will be disabled,[/QUOTE]

They should be encouraged to adopt, as long as they or their partner is capable of raising a child.
That way they'll be able to experience starting a family without doing any damage to the gene pool.

[CheezyCakez]

[QUOTE=McNab;39737911]You are a terrible, terrible person.

It's pretty fucking obvious you have 0 knowledge of what you're talking about.

"If kids are born differently than what I think is okay, then they should be murdered!" -CheezyCakez 2013

I dare you to say that to a mother and father of a disabled child, sure disabled kids cost a lot in medical fees, but do you think they care? No, they love their child no matter what they look like.

And what makes you think these kids are in "pain"? Do you think they're in constant pain or like a perma-bellyache something? No, children who are born with a condition that puts them in a constant state of discomfort usually don't make it out of the hospital.

It makes me wonder if you've even been near a handicapped person for more than 5 minutes, because a lot of mentally challenged kids are, for the most part, happy. They find things we find trivial to be fun and exciting, my mother walked up to a girl with cerebral palsy at Walmart one time and she was just so happy that someone was talking to her.[/QUOTE]

I have little knowledge and that is why I find it interesting to read this thread.

I'm very much humane. I feel very sad whenever I see all these wheelchair-ridden children in adults' bodies, never to become "mentally healthy". And I feel sorry for the guardians that have to put up with the emotional burden that comes with taking care of such a person. But it's their choice, and I never said anything against that.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjqRYgICgdU[/media]

Unrelated interesting documentary about a schizophrenic girl. She has a mental illness, but she is very smart. I would in no way "murder" her. I'm only talking about the vegetables. Especially the ones you'd find in a mental asylum, never to improve.

[Spudgun]

[QUOTE=McNab;39737911]
[i]"If kids are born differently than what I think is okay, then they should be murdered!" -CheezyCakez 2013[/i]
[/QUOTE]

This should be his title

[KILLTHIS]

[QUOTE=tr00per7;39737883]Well im not against killing certain kinds of disabled people[...]
but im talking about the severely disabled[...][/QUOTE]
Do me a favor and think about that again.

[tr00per7]

[QUOTE=BloodyDragon;39737913]hitler wasnt right on every choice but he was dead on for mentally disabled[/QUOTE]

And look where that got him.....DEAD!

The mentally disabled shall rise and RULE THE WORLD!

[BloodyDragon]

[QUOTE=tr00per7;39738081]And look where that got him.....DEAD!

The mentally disabled shall rise and RULE THE WORLD![/QUOTE]

hey, he had a good run

[McNab]

[QUOTE=CheezyCakez;39738049]I have little knowledge and that is why I find it interesting to read this thread.

I'm very much humane. I feel very sad whenever I see all these wheelchair-ridden children in adults' bodies, never to become "mentally healthy". And I feel sorry for the guardians that have to put up with the emotional burden that comes with taking care of such a person. But it's their choice, and I never said anything against that.

Unrelated interesting documentary about a schizophrenic girl. She has a mental illness, but she is very smart. I would in no way "murder" her. I'm only talking about the vegetables. Especially the ones you'd find in a mental asylum, never to improve.[/QUOTE]

So? That isn't your choice to make.

But whether or not you think what you're saying isn't bordering on the Nazi agenda, you're still saying that "killing people is okay, as long as they're not what I think is good enough."

[.FLAP.JACK.DAN.]

[QUOTE=matt.ant;39736227]If anything, a mentally disabled child is easier to help as they can learn easily as they're growing up[/QUOTE]

I really don't understand how would a mental disabled child would be easier to help. Like your reason makes no sense.

[Spudgun]

[QUOTE=CheezyCakez;39738049]
I'm very much humane.[/QUOTE]

Nice backpedaling, "I'M VERY MUCH HUMANE BUT I THINK KILLING DISABLED PEOPLE IS OK"

[matt.ant]

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;39738179]I really don't understand how would a mental disabled child would be easier to help. Like your reason makes no sense.[/QUOTE]

I mean a child with depression or anxiety would be easier to treat as their brain is still developing, so they may be 'normal' by the time they're 18, compared to someone who is physically disabled who may never recover

[KILLTHIS]

[QUOTE=matt.ant;39738299]I mean a child with depression or anxiety would be easier to treat as their brain is still developing, so they may be 'normal' by the time they're 18, compared to someone who is physically disabled who may never recover[/QUOTE]
Just in theory. Even a depression can be chronic. Don't be so selective with things just to prove yourself right.

[.FLAP.JACK.DAN.]

Is depression and anxiety really considered a mental disability?

[matt.ant]

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;39738346]Is depression and anxiety really considered a mental disability?[/QUOTE]

It can be, depending how bad it is

[McNab]

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;39738346]Is depression and anxiety really considered a mental disability?[/QUOTE]

It has been in the past but i'm not so sure anymore.

[DaysBefore]

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;39738346]Is depression and anxiety really considered a mental disability?[/QUOTE]
They would have to be really severe, but I think they are. I know my mum retired at thirty-four because of her anxiety.

[fruxodaily]

[QUOTE=BloodyDragon;39737913]hitler wasnt right on every choice but he was dead on for mentally disabled[/QUOTE]

he was mentally fucking insane, exactly like you

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=BloodyDragon;39737913]hitler wasnt right on every choice but he was dead on for mentally disabled[/QUOTE]

are you emotionally stunted, coupled with no respect for others, because this is extremely insensitive and inept

[Chocolate1234]

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;39738346]Is depression and anxiety really considered a mental disability?[/QUOTE]

Emotional disability is the term, I believe. Or behavioral, perhaps? I'd have to check my book again. It's in there.

[Ray-The-Sun]

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;39738606]he was [B]mentally fucking insane[/B], exactly like you[/QUOTE]
Hoo boy. That is a whole [I]heap[/I] of irony.

[RayvenQ]

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;39735887]He is right the disabled cost us a lot. But we can't put them down that's psycho.

But still it's a bit concerning imo, [B]the way we enable disabled people.[/B] It cost us a lot, but we can afford it if we really want to, but even then not all people are taken care of with expensive methods like nursing homes and what have you.[/QUOTE]

I have to say, this makes it sound a bit like you think having a disability is a choice.

[Officer Tom]

Hey guys, here's a fun question:

Let's say you have a mentally disabled person and a chimpanzee. The person's condition is so severe that he is several times less intelligent and less self-aware than the chimp. For whatever reason, you need to euthanize one. Who gets to live?

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=Officer Tom;39740995]Hey guys, here's a fun question:

Let's say you have a mentally disabled person and a chimpanzee. The person's condition is so severe that he is several times less intelligent and less self-aware than the chimp. For whatever reason, you need to euthanize one. Who gets to live?[/QUOTE]

neither because i'm pretty sure they can both dictate whether they want to live or not - basic self-preservation instinct

[Dr. Gestapo]

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;39740099]Hoo boy. That is a whole [I]heap[/I] of irony.[/QUOTE]

Irony? Don't you mean redundancy? :v:

[Terragen]

[QUOTE=J!NX;39737951]So many shit posters in this thread I swear

[editline]27th February 2013[/editline]

you sure are the king of shitty ideas aren't you

do us a favor and never go into politics.[/QUOTE]

Yet noone here has explained why government should keep up it's spending on this situation? There are plenty of other areas that could use the money, and deserve it due to actually making something of their life instead of sitting being useless. Some don't have a choice, understandable. Why should those unable to work have the government waste money on a useless investment. Why do they deserve funding over anything else?

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742159]Yet noone here has explained why government should keep up it's spending on this situation? There are plenty of other areas that could use the money, and deserve it due to actually making something of their life instead of sitting being useless. Some don't have a choice, understandable. Why should those unable to work have the government waste money on a useless investment. Why do they deserve funding over anything else?[/QUOTE]

because humanity is progressive and we don't live in the 15th century anymore

[Terragen]

[QUOTE=matt.ant;39737128]Not everyone knows their child will be disabled before its born. And someone who is a carer (stays at home to look after their disabled child) gets £58.45 a week. Minimum wage is £180 a week (after tax), so as you can see, it's not an easy life.

The rest of the money would come from the NHS, and they can't exactly say "sorry, we won't be treating your child today as we've gone over our disabled child budget"[/QUOTE]

They do it for other funding, why shouldn't it stop here?

[DoomMarine23]

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742159]Yet noone here has explained why government should keep up it's spending on this situation? There are plenty of other areas that could use the money, and deserve it due to actually making something of their life instead of sitting being useless. Some don't have a choice, understandable. Why should those unable to work have the government waste money on a useless investment. Why do they deserve funding over anything else?[/QUOTE]

Maybe because there is more to life and to human value than simply "worth" and "production". This is obviously not something you seem to care about, so arguing it is a waste of everyone's time.

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742199]They do it for other funding, why shouldn't it stop here?[/QUOTE]

if you seriously measure someone's life in monetary value then maybe you should just stop because you are not even qualified to talk about stuff like this