'Disabled children cost too much and should be put down': Calls for councillor to resign over rant - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39742189]because humanity is progressive and we don't live in the 15th century anymore[/QUOTE] Then they need to look over what is more important. Like whoever said that I then support cutting the elderly, no infact I feel they should get more funding. Atleast they made a life and still do.

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742218]Then they need to look over what is more important. Like whoever said that I then support cutting the elderly, no infact I feel they should get more funding. Atleast they made a life and still do.[/QUOTE] so you want to disadvantage people in accordance to how you view the worth of people

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39742212]if you seriously measure someone's life in monetary value then maybe you should just stop because you are not even qualified to talk about stuff like this[/QUOTE] Never said monetary, there's a difference when someone makes something of their life instead of just being a useless lump. You don't have to make money to make yourself useful.

And you dont have to be useful to deserve to exist.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39742236]so you want to disadvantage people in accordance to how you view the worth of people[/QUOTE] How does the government disadvantage anything else? They clearly have more importance to their "drone war" than to giving the money to schools ect. [editline]27th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=fulgrim;39742248]And you dont have to be useful to deserve to exist.[/QUOTE] Then what is their purpose? Being a useless lump has no purpose.

[QUOTE=Officer Tom;39740995]Hey guys, here's a fun question: Let's say you have a mentally disabled person and a chimpanzee. The person's condition is so severe that he is several times less intelligent and less self-aware than the chimp. For whatever reason, you need to euthanize one. Who gets to live?[/QUOTE] the person that was easy, next question

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742249]How does the government disadvantage anything else? They clearly have more importance to their "drone war" than to giving the money to schools ect.[/QUOTE] ok but that isn't my argument why get rid of human services for people you deem unworthy when in reality that won't do anything at all

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742249] Then what is their purpose? Being a useless lump has no purpose.[/QUOTE] And how are you useful? It's a completely subjective thing so no matter what you say I can declare it useless.

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742159]Yet noone here has explained why government should keep up it's spending on this situation? There are plenty of other areas that could use the money, and deserve it due to actually making something of their life instead of sitting being useless. Some don't have a choice, understandable. Why should those unable to work have the government waste money on a useless investment. Why do they deserve funding over anything else?[/QUOTE] lol yeah because people who are born with handicaps choose to be useless therefore we should just not pay for them the government EASILY are able to support the living of these people, if they can spend so much on genuinely useless shit then yeah I'm pretty sure this is minor. And you sound like "they should use it on useful people that were born lucky like me", which makes you sound ignorant beyond measure. 'Disabled children cost too much and should be put down' Do you know who else was said to put down "useless costly people?" Slave owners who believed black people were too stupid to function. [URL="http://media.salon.com/2012/11/obama.jpeg7-1280x960.jpg"]Well check this out[/URL] Did you know that there are people with down-syndrome who have jobs and houses and probably make way more than you do? Do you know how they got there? Tender care and funding. Disabilities are a huge disadvantage but putting people out like that is just stupid and arrogant. more Disabled people with jobs and homes mean they are spending money, and that is good for the economy. Did you even know an economy is all about spending money?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39742269]And how are you useful? It's a completely subjective thing so no matter what you say I can declare it useless.[/QUOTE] Well if that's the case, then mind as well kill all of facepunch. We are at the same level of usefulness in life as them. [editline]27th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;39742275]lol yeah because people who are born with handicaps choose to be useless therefore we should just not pay for them the government EASILY are able to support the living of these people, if they can spend so much on genuinely useless shit then yeah I'm pretty sure this is minor. And you sound like "they should use it on useful people that were born lucky like me", which makes you sound ignorant beyond measure. 'Disabled children cost too much and should be put down' Do you know who else was said to put down "useless costly people?" Slave owners who believed black people were too stupid to function. [URL="http://media.salon.com/2012/11/obama.jpeg7-1280x960.jpg"]Well check this out[/URL] Did you know that there are people with down-syndrome who have jobs and houses and probably make way more than you do? Do you know how they got there? Tender care and funding. Disabilities are a huge disadvantage but putting people out like that is just stupid and arrogant.[/QUOTE] I never said I wanted these people "put down". Check my posts. All I am arguing is why they deserve funding. Yes I agree they didn't get born into that issue, but why is it the government problem? Whether you have a kid who's normal or handicapped, if you can't afford either or that chance then it's the wrong decision for you.

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742286]Well if that's the case, then mind as well kill all of facepunch. We are at the same level of usefulness in life as them.[/QUOTE] If usefulness is the metric to determine who dies then everyone is going to die because everyone has a different idea of what constitutes usefulness

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742286]Well if that's the case, then mind as well kill all of facepunch. We are at the same level of usefulness in life as them. [editline]27th February 2013[/editline] I never said I wanted these people "put down". Check my posts. All I am arguing is why they deserve funding.[/QUOTE] And all I am arguing is that you're an idiot. [QUOTE=Zeke129;39742305]If usefulness is the metric to determine who dies then everyone is going to die because everyone has a different idea of what constitutes usefulness[/QUOTE] Everyones going to die and the suns just going to kill the Earth we all should just kill ourselves [QUOTE=Terragen;39742286] [B]Yes I agree they didn't get born into that issue[/B], but why is it the government problem? Whether you have a kid who's normal or handicapped, if you can't afford either or that chance then it's the wrong decision for you.[/QUOTE] lol you do realize that most if not all disabilities you are born with right? its the governments issue because[B] the government is BUILT to protect all its citizens.[/B] "if you can't afford either or that chance then it's the wrong decision for you." Yep because people can decide if they want a kid thats handicapped, sometimes you can't choose to have a kid period.

[QUOTE=J!NX;39742307]And all I am arguing is that you're an idiot. Everyones going to die and the suns just going to kill the Earth we all should just kill ourselves[/QUOTE] Why because I have an opinion? It's fine, I am not hurt at all that you disagree, hence why I am still posting. But what declares you to decide or anyone to decide why they should have any type of funding? [editline]27th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;39742305]If usefulness is the metric to determine who dies then everyone is going to die because everyone has a different idea of what constitutes usefulness[/QUOTE] About time someone answered with a good comment other than you're wrong.

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742159]Yet noone here has explained why government should keep up it's spending on this situation? There are plenty of other areas that could use the money, and deserve it due to actually making something of their life instead of sitting being useless.[/QUOTE] I'm fairly sure the right to life and the right to an acceptable standard of living for all human beings trumps any shitty notion of fiscal waste you can produce. They deserve funding because they are exactly the people who need it and can be demonstrably better off if they receive it.

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742344]Why because I have an opinion? It's fine, I am not hurt at all that you disagree, hence why I am still posting. But what declares you to decide or anyone to decide why they should have any time of funding? [/QUOTE] What declares you or anyone to decide why they shouldn't have any [B]kind[/B] of funding?

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;39742356]I'm fairly sure the right to life and the right to an acceptable standard of living for all human beings trumps any shitty notion of fiscal waste you can produce. They deserve funding because they are exactly the people who need it and can be demonstrably better off if they receive it.[/QUOTE] Other than food and water, please explain how they are better off with it? Schooling is understandable, but what I am getting at is how are they better off with funding?

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742344] About time someone answered with a good comment other than you're wrong.[/QUOTE] Like I'd say that a painter is more useful than an oil company lobbyist but lots of people would disagree, like those who claim income is a reflection of usefulness or an oil company lobbyist. A lot of disabled people would probably consider themselves more useful than someone who thinks disabled people should be forcibly euthanized, as another example

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;39742371]What declares you or anyone to decide why they shouldn't have any [B]kind[/B] of funding?[/QUOTE] Same goes for you. Who decides whether they do or don't? Neither of us do. We're just both entitled to an [B]opinion[/B].

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742344]Why because I have an opinion? It's fine, I am not hurt at all that you disagree, hence why I am still posting. But what declares you to decide or anyone to decide why they should have any type of funding? [editline]27th February 2013[/editline] About time someone answered with a good comment other than you're wrong.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=J!NX;39742307] lol you do realize that most if not all disabilities you are born with right? its the governments issue because[B] the government is BUILT to protect all its citizens.[/B] "if you can't afford either or that chance then it's the wrong decision for you." Yep because people can decide if they want a kid thats handicapped, sometimes you can't choose to have a kid period.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Terragen;39742397]Same goes for you. Who decides whether they do or don't? Neither of us do. We're just both entitled to an [B]opinion[/B].[/QUOTE] except the fact is the government is BUILT to protect all its citizens. If they can't even merely protect the handicapped then why even have it around. [editline]27th February 2013[/editline] My father has ADD. He was put in a room alone without any other desks and given his work because they didn't know how to help him. Without funding, people with even light handicaps are treated like shit. By saying they shouldn't get funding you're saying they should be treated like shit because that's exactly what will happen.

[QUOTE=J!NX;39742403]except the fact is the government is BUILT to protect all its citizens. If they can't even merely protect the handicapped then why even have it around.[/QUOTE] Governments aren't always made to protect the people, it is only a system for societies.

[QUOTE=redshift2234;39742452]Governments aren't always made to protect the people, it is only a system for societies.[/QUOTE] Shit governments, yes, but last I checked this is 2013, the government protects the people and the people prevent the government from killing everyone in the country.

[QUOTE=J!NX;39742403]except the fact is the government is BUILT to protect all its citizens. If they can't even merely protect the handicapped then why even have it around. [editline]27th February 2013[/editline] My father has ADD. He was put in a room alone without any other desks and given his work because they didn't know how to help him. Without funding, people with even light handicaps are treated like shit. By saying they shouldn't get funding you're saying they should be treated like shit because that's exactly what will happen.[/QUOTE] Nor did I say all Handicaps. I say fine for light handicap funding because typically they are normal day to day people. I am saying why should we fund people who the life consists of sitting in a wheelchair drooling unable to live on his own? My best friend has several family members who are severely handicapped. They can't work or live on their own. The family has used thousands upon thousands of government dollars trying to educate them with no luck. The government should not have situations where money can be blown like that with absolutely nothing brought back in return. If they are going to fund then it should be means to survive. Not throwing away tax payer and government money when if the family wants extra for the child, should be paid by them not handed out freely.

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742515]Nor did I say all Handicaps. I say fine for light handicap funding because typically they are normal day to day people. I am saying why should we fund people who the life consists of sitting in a wheelchair drooling unable to live on his own? My best friend has several family members who are severely handicapped. They can't work or live on their own. The family has used thousands upon thousands of dollars trying to educate them with no luck. Government should not have situations where money can be blown like that with absolutely nothing brought back in return.[/QUOTE] I disagree but if we can't fund the people who can't function, then we are required to fund the genetic engineering that will reverse the damage that causes severe handicaps so that people are born healthy, and not severely disabled. Otherwise, it would simply be completely horrible. If you can't fund the research you may as well support them.

[QUOTE=J!NX;39742536]I disagree but if we can't fund the people who can't function, then we are required to fund the genetic engineering that will reverse the damage that causes severe handicaps so that people are born healthy, and not severely disabled. Otherwise, it would simply be completely horrible.[/QUOTE] That's what I am saying. Not trying to cause a shitstorm here, but why is it so hard to appropriate the funding so that issues like this can be fixed with medicine or engineering. Hence why I said, funding could be used elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742386]Other than food and water, please explain how they are better off with it? Schooling is understandable, but what I am getting at is how are they better off with funding?[/QUOTE] You remind me of the kind of person that thinks that people who are physically or mentally disabled to the point of not being able to work should be only given just enough to live by the skin of their teeth, pretending that that wouldn't be an incredibly depressing existence. Wait woops I mean you actually [B]are[/B] that kind of person.

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742386]Other than food and water, please explain how they are better off with it? Schooling is understandable, but what I am getting at is how are they better off with funding?[/QUOTE] You answered your own question. Schooling, among other things provides a social setting and some engagement in their lives. Without it no doubt they would live a shittier life, barely engaging in society since they are unable to live as everyone else does. Hell, even medical assistance would help them and their family directly. To reverse your question, how would they have the same standard of living under the current system if it were not funded?

[QUOTE=J!NX;39742473]Shit governments, yes, but last I checked this is 2013, the government protects the people and the people prevent the government from killing everyone in the country.[/QUOTE] No, A government is a system in which a society often chooses to live and not all people believe a government should protect the people, in the middle east most governments are there to protect god, in East Asia they are there to insure dominance, in Mid Africa governments are there to propagate the master race. What a Culture defines what the governments job is and to say that the way you think things should be in all governments is borderline racist, who are you to tell what people should value. It is also ignorant to say "It's 2013, herp a derpa derp" Time does not dictate how people live.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;39742555]You remind me of the kind of person that thinks that people who are physically or mentally disabled to the point of not being able to work should be only given just enough to live by the skin of their teeth, pretending that that wouldn't be an incredibly depressing existence.[/QUOTE] Theres a big difference between not being able to work, and not being to do anything.

[QUOTE=redshift2234;39742569]No, A government is a system in which a society often chooses to live and not all people believe a government should protect the people, in the middle east most governments are there to protect god, in East Asia they are there to insure dominance, in Mid Africa governments are there to propagate the master race. What a Culture defines what the governments job is and to say that the way you think things should be in all governments is borderline racist, who are you to tell what people should value. It is also ignorant to say "It's 2013, herp a derpa derp" Time does not dictate how people live.[/QUOTE] yeah but last time i checked the majority of people don't believe that serious illnesses are brought on by the wrath of fictional gods

[QUOTE=Terragen;39742575]Theres a big difference between not being able to work, and not being to do anything.[/QUOTE] Wanna know something that they share in common? Neither of those things should determine whether or not someone should be put to death or left to rot.