Uruguay lower house passes marijuana legalisation bill
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[QUOTE=bravehat;41672116]Painting with a pretty broad brush there man, I severely doubt even a quarter of meth, heroin or coke addicts turn to crime to get their fix.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I agree with that now that you say it. I guess my point is that because there is a feeling of withdrawal associated with those drugs, I bet that those who are addicted to more "harder" substances would go to greater lengths to obtain the substance that will not make them not 'sick' anymore. Where as with weed, most people (if any) don't get physical withdrawl symptoms, other than lack of sleep and coming out of a fog.
It would be interesting to see if there was a study done that proves these claims (If there is, I don't know of it, but I dont even actively search for studies on drugs).
Anyways I'm just curious to see how the legalizing of marijuana affects social and economic concerns now that more jurisdictions are making not so much of a crime.
[QUOTE=brianosaur;41673160]Where as with weed, most people (if any) don't get physical withdrawl symptoms, other than lack of sleep and coming out of a fog.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23490548"]False[/URL]
Cannabis has all the normal withdrawal effects that any other drug might have, and there's tons of research on treatments for cannabis withdrawal.
Edit: [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23380439"]Here, have another source with more info[/URL]
Legalizing marijuana would generate revenue for the government, net a safer product for the users, and lower drug-related crime rates. I am completely for it. The only thing about it I am worried of is that some harder drug will replace marijuana's current state (a borderline illegal drug) that is more dangerous than marijuana.
[QUOTE=daschnek;41674759][URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23490548"]False[/URL]
Cannabis has all the normal withdrawal effects that any other drug might have, and there's tons of research on treatments for cannabis withdrawal.
Edit: [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23380439"]Here, have another source with more info[/URL][/QUOTE]
[quote]The findings from this study support the notion that laboratory-based increases in aggression due to marijuana withdrawal extend to the general population of marijuana users who have a previous history of aggression.[/quote]
From the first study.
Try harder dumbass.
Don't destroy your Silk Road accounts just yet. Under the law, only the State can produce or sell marijuana, and growing it yourself is legal up until six plants. Beyond that, you're a drug dealer. And of course you can't sell any without getting a license of some kind.
This law isn't intended to stop prosecuting people for using their right to choose what goes into their bodies, it's just designed to cut off drug users from illegal drug trade. It might seem like a step in the right direction, but given that only consumption and limited private production is legalized and everything else becomes a state monopoly, I think it sort of evens out.
[QUOTE=bravehat;41675001]From the first study.
Try harder dumbass.[/QUOTE]
Before you go calling anyone a dumbass, take notice at what the studies are on. That statement doesn't disprove that marijuana DOES have withdrawal effects.
Also, since I need to try harder:
[URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23664121"]Another study[/URL]
[URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23040955"]And another[/URL]
No matter how many countries, states, or cities legalize it, I still don't support it. It's still a drug that gives you an instant high and can affect driving, society, and your work ethic in a negative why. Alcohol is illegal because it's controllable(You have to drink multiple in order to get drunk). Cigarettes, though, are only legal because so many people are addicted and the tax it brings in. Sure, marijuana will bring in a lot of revenue for the country, but like I said, it's the high that I feel will be a huge negative effect on the country.
[QUOTE=DaWhatTheFox;41670794]Yeah, why not, let's make it so you can find meth and cocaine at your local store.[/QUOTE]
The only reason drugs like meth are so awful for your health is because they're made using household chemicals and are poorly refined.
We use Morphine in hospitals all the time, it's only bad effect is how addictive it is.
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[QUOTE=wakeboarderCWB;41677100]No matter how many countries, states, or cities legalize it, I still don't support it. It's still a drug that gives you an instant high and can affect driving, society, and your work ethic in a negative why. Alcohol is illegal because it's controllable(You have to drink multiple in order to get drunk). Cigarettes, though, are only legal because so many people are addicted and the tax it brings in. Sure, marijuana will bring in a lot of revenue for the country, but like I said, it's the high that I feel will be a huge negative effect on the country.[/QUOTE]
This makes no sense, you could take a slam of vodka and be impaired IMMEDIATELY.
If I take a hit off my vaporizer when I'm feeling overwhelmed by work it calms me down and I can very easily complete an entire workload an an efficient, methodological manner, only focusing on what I'm doing, rather than what's ahead.
A step in the right direction, any law that restricts what you are allowed to do to your own body is based on archaic morals at best.
[QUOTE=wakeboarderCWB;41677100]No matter how many countries, states, or cities legalize it, I still don't support it. It's still a drug that gives you an instant high and can affect driving, society, and your work ethic in a negative why. Alcohol is illegal because it's controllable(You have to drink multiple in order to get drunk). Cigarettes, though, are only legal because so many people are addicted and the tax it brings in. Sure, marijuana will bring in a lot of revenue for the country, but like I said, it's the high that I feel will be a huge negative effect on the country.[/QUOTE]
This is fucking retarded. You can control marijuana usage easily. Fuck, probably easier than alcohol. Marijuana is by no means any faster than alcohol. Downing a couple shots, or taking a few hits, gets you impaired at pretty much equal speed. I take it you've never used either substance and arecompletely unaware of its effects.
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[QUOTE=DaWhatTheFox;41670794]Yeah, why not, let's make it so you can find meth and cocaine at your local store.[/QUOTE]
"What's regulation and control?"
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The amount of stupid in this thread is staggering.
[QUOTE=DaWhatTheFox;41670794]Yeah, why not, let's make it so you can find meth and cocaine at your local store.[/QUOTE]
But you can get both of these things at your local store, if that local store is a pharmacy.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;41679977]This is fucking retarded. You can control marijuana usage easily. Fuck, probably easier than alcohol. Marijuana is by no means any faster than alcohol. Downing a couple shots, or taking a few hits, gets you impaired at pretty much equal speed. I take it you've never used either substance and are completely unaware of its effects.
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"It's the high that I feel will be a huge negative effect on the country."
I think it's very apparent that he doesn't understand what he's talking about at all.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;41670716]Is there anyone for Uruguay on facepuinch who can offer some insight?[/QUOTE]
Uruguayan here. Already gave my opinion regarding this in [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1295143&p=41680722&viewfull=1#post41680722]Durgs[/url].
[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;41680722]Uruguayan here... this bill is quite controversial. I'll comment later.
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It's just so fucking ridiculous people are holding out on some fucking piece of legislation to plant weed of their own. It's a fucking plant.
Regarding to who's gonna get the plants... There are Monsanto rumors flying around.
Oh, how could I forget... The fucking 6 plant limit. That's freaking ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;41681262]It's not about it being enough or not, it's because if you grow more than 6 plants you get branded a dangerous drug dealer that must be put behind bars/heavily fined, when you could sell to friends that don't want to bother having to go through the process of growing & taking care of plants themselves for cheaper than the pharmacies will sell (when they start selling if the law passes senate vote). And of course, it's all because it's in the interest of lining the government's pockets.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DaWhatTheFox;41670751]Oh, makes sense. And why don't we legalize other drugs as well now that we are at it?[/QUOTE]
It's a "~slippery slope~" you guys, don't you see!?
[QUOTE=wakeboarderCWB;41677100]No matter how many countries, states, or cities legalize it, I still don't support it. It's still a drug that gives you an instant high and can affect driving, society, and your work ethic in a negative why. Alcohol is illegal because it's controllable(You have to drink multiple in order to get drunk). Cigarettes, though, are only legal because so many people are addicted and the tax it brings in. Sure, marijuana will bring in a lot of revenue for the country, but like I said, it's the high that I feel will be a huge negative effect on the country.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever actually been high? It's sure as shit not instant, and just because you're high doesn't mean you're gonna just jump in your car and act like a retard, no matter how many times I've been high I've never put the key in my cars ignition.
[QUOTE=bravehat;41683574]Have you ever actually been high? It's sure as shit not instant, and just because you're high doesn't mean you're gonna just jump in your car and act like a retard, no matter how many times I've been high I've never put the key in my cars ignition.[/QUOTE]
About the dumbest thing I've ever done while high is try and have conversations with sober people when I'm too baked to finish a sentence without forgetting what I was trying to talk about. It was kind of like being really sleep deprived, except I was giddy and energetic, not drag-ass tired and begging for sleep or death.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;41683700]About the dumbest thing I've ever done while high is try and have conversations with sober people when I'm too baked to finish a sentence without forgetting what I was trying to talk about. It was kind of like being really sleep deprived, except I was giddy and energetic, not drag-ass tired and begging for sleep or death.[/QUOTE]
The dumbest thing I've ever done is eat a full meal at a Japanese place and then eat a full pizza, my stomach was not pleased with this.
Then I fell asleep and everything was ok.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfAhS7VhbKo[/media]
Informational video regarding how the bill will work if signed into law. Will have english subtitles later, the creators are saying they are working on it. Meanwhile just look at the funny doo-dads and figure out what it says.
[QUOTE=bravehat;41670605]That'll make forest fires much more interesting.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fznwi9bHubI&feature=player_detailpage&t=31[/media]
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It's probably just a matter of time before other countries starts looking into it and adopt it.
There is already some talk about it in Sweden for example, mainly by the Pirateparty.
About heavier drugs though, I don't think making it completely legal is good. For countries with free Health Care then drug addicts are most likely (I'm thinking logical here. I don't have anything to back it up) costing the system a bit to take care of.
What should be done however is decriminalize it.
By that I mean it should still be illegal to sell and make (heavier) drugs, as well as carrying big amounts of drugs.
But for personal use, smaller amounts shouldn't be punishable. Drug addicts already has it pretty bad, punishing them won't help at all. Instead, the money spent on tracking and prosecuting people for drug use/possession should be used to provide proper help on stopping the addiction. And to make much bigger efforts to take down the dealers/drug cartels etc.
[QUOTE=daschnek;41674759][URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23490548"]False[/URL]
Cannabis has all the normal withdrawal effects that any other drug might have, and there's tons of research on treatments for cannabis withdrawal.
Edit: [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23380439"]Here, have another source with more info[/URL][/QUOTE]
I use to smoke all the time, took a break for a few years and only occasionally smoke marijuana now.
I never felt any withdrawl, except for the occasional thought about it.
[QUOTE=DaWhatTheFox;41670735]I still don't get why do you people want marijuana to be legal so terribly bad.[/QUOTE]
Can't you see? It cures cancer! It can balance out the economy! it can make everyone happy again! It'll unite countries and people from different races! It'll let us curb global warming and let us generate clean power!
It's truly a miracle cure.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;41692402]Can't you see? It cures cancer! It can balance out the economy! it can make everyone happy again! It'll unite countries and people from different races! It'll let us curb global warming and let us generate clean power!
It's truly a miracle cure.[/QUOTE]enforcing (and spending money into enforcing) anti-weed law of all things is restricting a simple personal freedom of many for the chagrin of a minority.
I hope this will spread worldwide eventually.
[QUOTE=DaWhatTheFox;41670794]Yeah, why not, let's make it so you can find meth and cocaine at your local store.[/QUOTE]
Marijuana has no addictive property or destructive nature. That's why many deem it stupid that it's illegal because it should be treated just as equally as alcohol (which is much more destructive on health than weed). Prisons are full of young teens and adults who have been incarcerated just for having bongs, pipes, or weed itself. There's no reason that people should be criminalized for doing a recreational activity that, for the most part, is completely harmless.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;41697455]Marijuana has no addictive property or destructive nature. That's why many deem is stupid that it's illegal because it can be treated just as equally as alcohol (which is much more destructive on health than weed). Prisons are full of young teens and adults who have been incarcerated just for having bongs, pipes, or weed itself. There's no reason that people should be criminalized for doing a recreational activity that, for the most part, is completely harmless.[/QUOTE]
On top of that, with how over crowded American prisons are they're basically just criminal universities, anyone in there for possession is gonna be tainted by their brand spanking new criminal record so I wouldn't be surprised if they end up coming out with a few criminal skills.
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