State seizes 11-year-old, arrests his mother after he defends medical marijuana during a school pres - Polidicks

Fuck it, when/if I have kids, they're being homeschooled. The lack of social learning is a fine price to pay for being able to you know, learn, instead of being terrified to go to school. [editline]17th April 2015[/editline] They could hang out with my friend's kids, they'll be okay.

I have been lied multiple times in my life, why is marijuana really not bad?

[QUOTE=Maegord;47546752]A part of me thinks it's the schools trying to hush students who may have points and disagree with their policy because of this[/QUOTE] I can confirm of school's tendency to get people not to thing but to blindly obey. Dunno why they did that, though, but the schools I went to were livid if you tried to debate anything with the staff outside of debate class.

[QUOTE=mcgrath618;47546607]Is this not expression of free speech?[/QUOTE] Free speech does not equal freedom from consequences. If you say you are committing a crime, yeah you can say that, but you bet your ass someone is going to take notice. Its hilarious to see how sensationalist the pro-weed lobby is making this story.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;47547307]Free speech does not equal freedom from consequences. If you say you are committing a crime, yeah you can say that, but you bet your ass someone is going to take notice. Its hilarious to see how sensationalist the pro-weed lobby is making this story.[/QUOTE] The real source is laughable. [url]http://www.thsintl.org/activist_s_child_detained_by_police_during_school_drug_education_program[/url] [url]http://benswann.com/exclusive-cops-raid-cannabis-oil-activist-because-her-son-discussed-medical-pot-facts-at-school/[/url] Juvenile courts/CPS act in the best interests of the child and give precisely 0 fucks about the parents. I'm going with that theres more to this than what the "exclusive" report has published

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;47547307]Free speech does not equal freedom from consequences. If you say you are committing a crime, yeah you can say that, but you bet your ass someone is going to take notice. Its hilarious to see how sensationalist the pro-weed lobby is making this story.[/QUOTE] At what point did the 11 year old admit to anyone committing a crime?

Schools have a zero tolerance policy on drugs and weapons. You better not even make a gun with your fingers in a school or your ass is fucking done. US public schools totally over step their bounds when it comes to their zero tolerance policies

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47547286]Fuck it, when/if I have kids, they're being homeschooled. The lack of social learning is a fine price to pay for being able to you know, learn, instead of being terrified to go to school.[/QUOTE] No. It isn't.

[QUOTE=eirexe;47547296]I have been lied multiple times in my life, why is marijuana really not bad?[/QUOTE] I'm no drug expert but everyone says weed is no worse than alcohol, it doesn't fuck you up like meth or heroin might. It's not some cure all substance that has no downsides but it doesn't really ruin your life unless you make it ruin your life (just like alcohol)

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47547411]At what point did the 11 year old admit to anyone committing a crime?[/QUOTE] The point where he mentioned his mom using cannabis oil, which is illegal in Kentucky?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47547411]At what point did the 11 year old admit to anyone committing a crime?[/QUOTE] Well, if he said his mom smokes, that would be enough to get a warrant.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47547148]It's taken decades for gay marriage, something totally harmless with no negative effects whatsoever, legalised in most of the US. Whilst I think cannabis isn't any worse than smoking tobacco, it's still going to take a hell of a long time.[/QUOTE] Both have taken decades, and Gay marriage is also goin' dominoes across the US right now. State after state is saying, [I]"what were we thinking?"[/I] and overturning past decisions in regards to the subject. Marijuana will probably take a little bit longer than gay marriage to go truly national, yeah, but as a society I think that we're finally reaching a conclusion about both. I imagine that now that both have actually gotten rolling, they will both snowball through the majority of the country in a relatively quick amount of time. When half the country has agreed something should be legal, it becomes a losing battle for the rest to hold out. Like, why bother fighting against marijuana in Kansas when Colorado, right next door, has it fully legal to buy and sell? Talk about a massive waste of time, money, and manpower trying to fight the inevitable cross-border exchanges. What are they gonna do, erect border fences and checkpoints within our country? Kansas will be forced to radically cut back on their enforcement of anti-marijuana policies or else start facing serious pressure from the taxpayers who are wondering why they're wasting time and money. From there, the smart move economically is just to say "fuck it" and open it up for commerce. When Kansas tips, Missouri will be in the same boat. And so on and so forth.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;47547078]I see thier plan to create Newspeak via rendering citizens unable to think or say anything other than platitudes is under way.[/QUOTE] I'll take what is political correctness for five hundred.

The truth is too far spread now, whether legalization happens in a year or a decade, the progress we've made is irreversible. Like Gay Marriage, the train has left the station, and only the stubborn bigots will try and impede progress further. I guarantee you it will be the same bigots too.

War on drugs really is just a war on people. It's just rhetoric to get people to think "yeah I'm against drugs so I should be for this war on drugs thing right?" then when this happens people wonder how they got the support and resources to pull shit like this. Now people are realizing how intrusive and dangerous it is to give people this much power, that its become a witch hunt that you can very easily find yourself on the other side off. What's that, I can search your house, turning everything you worked for inside out and scaring your young family under suspicion that you might have a substance that you use in your private home? Sounds good to me, I have nothing to hide. Except you know, you should watch what you say about it's enforcement cause then they'd keep their eye on you, pull up a search, or just plain intimidate you with the massive amount of power/loopholes law enforcement has acquired over your rights. I'm glad the internet can spread stories like these around, make people aware of when things get out of hand. Hopefully to prevent such ridiculous responses in the future or elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Megadave;47547812]The truth is too far spread now, whether legalization happens in a year or a decade, the progress we've made is irreversible. Like Gay Marriage, the train has left the station, and only the stubborn bigots will try and impede progress further. I guarantee you it will be the same bigots too.[/QUOTE] Whose "we"?

This is so stupid. They raided the moms house because of a kids presentation on defending MEDICAL marijuana? That is petty as all hell. Sure, the kid did say his mom used cannabis oil, but it's a kid....

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;47547307]Free speech does not equal freedom from consequences. If you say you are committing a crime, yeah you can say that, but you bet your ass someone is going to take notice. Its hilarious to see how sensationalist the pro-weed lobby is making this story.[/QUOTE] Regardless of whether she was breaking the law, the law she was breaking is an absurd thing to take a person's child away for. I'll grant you that we may not have all the facts, here. Maybe they found something more serious than pot. Hell, maybe the entire situation has been overblown and no official action was taken at all except to confiscate the marijuana. But, assuming that at least the key element of the story is accurate? That her son has been taken away from her, even if only for the length of time it takes to close the investigation, because she had a small amount of marijuana in the house? That is a despicable, and frankly horrifying reaction. Even if it [I]were[/I] recreational pot instead of medicinal, that simply isn't an acceptable course of action to take. When Colorado, right next door, has weed legal to sell at corner stores, essentially, and an hour away a woman can lose her son for having a couple joints, why pretend that justice has been served?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47547411]At what point did the 11 year old admit to anyone committing a crime?[/QUOTE] They interrogated him. Who the fuck knows what he said? He's probably not smart enough to plead the Fifth.

[QUOTE=masterbateman;47546667]Police and judiciary branch have totally lost sight of what values they're supposed to uphold.[/QUOTE]Their job is to uphold the law, no matter how crap it is. It's up to the legislative branch to change shit laws, or the executive to get federal agencies to stop enforcing them.

[QUOTE=Lanopo;47546908]Students are not protected under the first amendment. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_v._Frederick[/url][/QUOTE] This is disgusting. Students are (mostly) comprised of AMERICAN CITIZENS and thus should receive the same rights ANY other citizen of the United States enjoys. This is a fucking disgrace if our system is so fucking backwards on giving rights to people, its like the United States NEEDS some group of people to systematically oppress and give no rights to.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;47548326]Their job is to uphold the law, no matter how crap it is. It's up to the legislative branch to change shit laws, or the executive to get federal agencies to stop enforcing them.[/QUOTE] Police have some level of discretion in a lot of cases - obviously, a CPS report and a warrant forces them to follow orders, but if they perform a traffic stop and smell weed or if they get a noise complaint and smell weed, they can choose to completely ignore it. A year ago I was stopped by a cop shortly after hotboxing a car. He didn't give a shit and he just gave a warning for a tail light being out. In my area (where there's crack and meth everywhere), most cops don't care about white kids smoking weed unless they're driving like idiots or being blatantly obvious about it. I have an enormous amount of respect for police officers who silently protest stupid laws just by using discretion.

Everything about this sounds very illegal. [QUOTE=Tone Float;47547985]They interrogated him. Who the fuck knows what he said? He's probably not smart enough to plead the Fifth.[/QUOTE] If they were actually dumb enough to interrogate the kid without a parent/legal guardian present, then they just made a huge fucking mistake.

[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;47548493] If they were actually dumb enough to interrogate the kid without a parent/legal guardian present, then they just made a huge fucking mistake.[/QUOTE] If the kid got read miranda and did not ask for his parent/lawyer than nothing is wrong. Absolutely nothing.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;47547527]The point where he mentioned his mom using cannabis oil, which is illegal in Kentucky?[/QUOTE] Is it illegal in Colorado? Considering he was talking about what he learned while living in Colorado, and that the article doesn't say that he said his mom is using it [i]now[/i], it's a stretch to just assume that he admitted to a crime.

Fare v Michael is what you gotta look at. If he didnt request anyone, then they did nothing wrong

[QUOTE=Code3Response;47548686]If the kid got read miranda and did not ask for his parent/lawyer than nothing is wrong. Absolutely nothing.[/QUOTE] I think that's a bit of a problem with procedure though. A child has no concept of the fact s/he might require an adult for that, they might be readily persuaded they don't need their adult present. Children, in my experience comply readily with authority when they're scared but not in danger.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47548701]Is it illegal in Colorado? Considering he was talking about what he learned while living in Colorado, and that the article doesn't say that he said his mom is using it [i]now[/i], it's a stretch to just assume that he admitted to a crime.[/QUOTE] On top of that, medical cannabis oil tends to be mostly CBD, which is non-psychoactive, so I don't see why there's any issues with its use.

[QUOTE=Tone Float;47547985]They interrogated him. Who the fuck knows what he said? He's probably not smart enough to plead the Fifth.[/QUOTE] Is it even allowed to interrogate a minor without presence of their guardian? I'm not sure if that's a law over there, but here in Belgium the police is not allowed to interrogate a minor without them, and the article makes it seem as if he was interrogated without his mother.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47548739]I think that's a bit of a problem with procedure though. A child has no concept of the fact s/he might require an adult for that, they might be readily persuaded they don't need their adult present. Children, in my experience comply readily with authority when they're scared but not in danger.[/QUOTE] Well the kid obviously understood his rights and didnt want his parent/attorney/guardian/whoever present. Juveniles have the least rights out of anyone in this country.