State seizes 11-year-old, arrests his mother after he defends medical marijuana during a school pres - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mingebox;47547527]The point where he mentioned his mom using cannabis oil, which is illegal in Kentucky?[/QUOTE] What about the point immediately before where it mentions they lived in Colorado where it's legal

[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;47546598]Typical backwards logic and dis-information of a government funded program. D.A.R.E. is funded by the U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Department of State, U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, U.S. Bureau of Justice Administration, U.S. Office of Justice and Delinquency Prevention, corporations just to name a few.[/QUOTE] D.A.R.E also taught me that pot is literally just meth in plant form. I was the only 10 year old there that didn't believe it.

[QUOTE=draugur;47549290]D.A.R.E also taught me that pot is literally just meth in plant form. I was the only 10 year old there that didn't believe it.[/QUOTE] DARE is pretty much just there to scare the shit out of kids into shying away from drugs the ironic thing is that they exaggerate so much that kids who find out that weed/lsd/X/heroine doesn't instantly turn you into a raging psychopath they start taking it, and don't end up gatewaying into daily meth because that's a dumb myth

Taking a little kid's mom away for smoking weed is the real crime. Hopefully she just gets drug counseling and then probation. With that amount probably not.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;47547458]Schools have a zero tolerance policy on drugs and weapons. You better not even make a gun with your fingers in a school or your ass is fucking done. US public schools totally over step their bounds when it comes to their zero tolerance policies[/QUOTE] Target shooting is an olympic sport, are you telling me the schools are anti-sport?

I'm just going to make a point here, what business does an 11 year old have with marijuana at all? Maybe I didn't hang with the right crowd, but weed didn't really become a thing until High School around here. [editline]18th April 2015[/editline] And like anything else, you shouldn't smoke weed, cigarettes, etc around children. I'm not defending the school's decision at all. They were wrong in every respect, but that mother should not be exposing that child to mind altering substances at such a young age. And don't use the "well parents smoke cigs around kids all the time" argument, it's shitty and the parents that do that should be shot.

[QUOTE=Lick;47549439]Taking a little kid's mom away for smoking weed is the real crime. Hopefully she just gets drug counseling and then probation. With that amount probably not.[/QUOTE] According to the article, she didn't even have weed . Just 2oz of medical "cannabis oil", which is probably medicinal cannabinol or cannabinoid oil, probably not even THC. I really doubt she smokes that. It doesn't get much less justified than that. [editline]18th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=dbk21894;47549854]I'm just going to make a point here, what business does an 11 year old have with marijuana at all? Maybe I didn't hang with the right crowd, but weed didn't really become a thing until High School around here. [editline]18th April 2015[/editline] And like anything else, you shouldn't smoke weed, cigarettes, etc around children. I'm not defending the school's decision at all. They were wrong in every respect, but that mother should not be exposing that child to mind altering substances at such a young age. And don't use the "well parents smoke cigs around kids all the time" argument, it's shitty and the parents that do that should be shot.[/QUOTE] Welcome to the real world, unfortunately. Shit happens, kids get nosy, and some parents don't lie to their kids. He believes it is her medicine, and he wanted to stick up for his mother.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;47547307]Free speech does not equal freedom from consequences. If you say you are committing a crime, yeah you can say that, but you bet your ass someone is going to take notice. Its hilarious to see how sensationalist the pro-weed lobby is making this story.[/QUOTE] Freedom of speech was literally designed for something like this. I mean, to be fair, the school has the right to censor him within the confines of the school. You're a citizen of this country, but you're basically a customer of the school. If you go to college(universty) or a private school then you pay to be there. If you don't and go to public school you're still being paid for. The school is still being paid for you to be there and learn. They get to decide what you say because its "shut up or don't you don't go here anymore". Which is legal. You can just not go there, they didn't actually censor you. Which is why it's fucked up that they can ACTUALLY FUCKING PUNISH THEM. LIKE IN REAL FUCKING LIFE AND RIP THEM FROM THEIR HOMES. [editline]18th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ultra_bright;47549454]Target shooting is an olympic sport, are you telling me the schools are anti-sport?[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7F7vKkjPg4[/media]

[QUOTE=Code3Response;47548893]Well the kid obviously understood his rights and didnt want his parent/attorney/guardian/whoever present. Juveniles have the least rights out of anyone in this country.[/QUOTE] I disagree whole heartedly that a child would understand those rights under normal circumstances let alone one where the child is scared of the authority figures around them.

All these horror stories about DARE in here, I don't remember it being that bad. When I was in elementary school, they just told us about meth and heroin and the dangers of those, barely mentioning pot at all.

[QUOTE=dbk21894;47549854]I'm just going to make a point here, what business does an 11 year old have with marijuana at all?[/QUOTE] Literally the only business that child has with marijuana is that his mother uses oil extracted from the plant to relieve pain she'd otherwise has to go through on a daily basis.

[QUOTE=Megadave;47547812]The truth is too far spread now, whether legalization happens in a year or a decade, the progress we've made is irreversible. Like Gay Marriage, the train has left the station, and only the stubborn bigots will try and impede progress further. I guarantee you it will be the same bigots too.[/QUOTE] Why do you talk like you're part of a nation of weed enthusiasts, you're a lone stoner in some apartment not the leader of a lost nation

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47550886]Why do you talk like you're part of a nation of weed enthusiasts, you're a lone stoner in some apartment not the leader of a lost nation[/QUOTE] -snip-

Can someone explain to me why we have to FUCKING PUSSY FOOT AROUND THE TRUTH? These kid's should just shut up and keep with the lie? FUCK NO, we need to tell people the truth, that all the things we've been told about weed has been a FUCKING LIE, it doesn't hurt anyone, it works as a better medicine than many of the various drugs made by man. I know it won't happen, but I would like to see every teacher who told this lie to have to go through teacher school (or whatever the fuck its called) again or lose their teaching privileges. These teachers don't deserve a job if they lie to the children just to scare them. [editline]18th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;47550886]Why do you talk like you're part of a nation of weed enthusiasts, you're a lone stoner in some apartment not the leader of a lost nation[/QUOTE] Lost nation? Lone stoner? Are you out of your head? If I was a lone stoner, how the hell is this shit getting legalized? My effort unfortunatly does nothing to help the cause, yet the cause is moving along just fine. and if you look at all the stoners in just America, we could start a fucking nation.

Well she successfully crowd funded 15k for a good lawyer, so they better be ready to get fucked

[QUOTE=Saxon;47551350]Well she successfully crowd funded 15k for a good lawyer, so they better be ready to get fucked[/QUOTE] I hope they sue the state for interrogating a minor without their guardian present. [editline]18th April 2015[/editline] Or without a lawyer as a matter of fact.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47547964]Regardless of whether she was breaking the law, the law she was breaking is an absurd thing to take a person's child away for. I'll grant you that we may not have all the facts, here. Maybe they found something more serious than pot. Hell, maybe the entire situation has been overblown and no official action was taken at all except to confiscate the marijuana. But, assuming that at least the key element of the story is accurate? That her son has been taken away from her, even if only for the length of time it takes to close the investigation, because she had a small amount of marijuana in the house? That is a despicable, and frankly horrifying reaction. Even if it [I]were[/I] recreational pot instead of medicinal, that simply isn't an acceptable course of action to take. When Colorado, right next door, has weed legal to sell at corner stores, essentially, and an hour away a woman can lose her son for having a couple joints, why pretend that justice has been served?[/QUOTE] Everyone in the US just wants to tell other people what to do. Hell I got a letter in my door from the Homeowners Association that says I can't have a car with expired tags in my driveway or it will be towed. Not even the police can do that, so what gives them the right to enforce registration laws? [editline]18th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ultra_bright;47549454]Target shooting is an olympic sport, are you telling me the schools are anti-sport?[/QUOTE] Hey I was on a rifle team when I was in school, too. I even went to the state junior olympics and got a bronze medal. I also did a stint with the trap team. But if you left your shotgun in your car, even though you were on a school team that used the shotguns, your ass was expelled for sure. Hell you may even see jail time. Children are still being expelled for saying they're going to shoot their friend with a hello kitty bubble gun, or biting their poptart into the shape of a gun. One kid was suspended because during an assignment to write down what they saw the clouds forming, he wrote down he saw a gun. And they do it because in their brain they make this weird Correlation is Causation link that: Play with toy gun when 5, shoot up a school when 15. I know, because my mom is one of those people. My parents were separated and I didn't live with her, otherwise I'd probably be a flake, too Guns shouldn't be allowed on school grounds (And they aren't, even for people with CCW's unless you stay in your car) But just writing the word gun on paper now is enough to get you thrown out Point is, the United States has gone fucking crazy. Something must be in the water

[QUOTE=Code3Response;47548893]Well the kid obviously understood his rights and didnt want his parent/attorney/guardian/whoever present. Juveniles have the least rights out of anyone in this country.[/QUOTE] Sorry Code3. I have a lot of respect for you and always enjoy reading your side of debates but I'm with HumanAbyss on this one. I sincerely doubt an [B]11[/B] year old kid understood his rights and consciously made a decision to not exercise them with all of the authority figures around - he trusted them (as kids are taught to do) and they misled and took advantage of him not knowing how the legal system works. I normally side with the police/government in debates (obviously assuming I find it reasonable to) but I'm having a hard time doing that in this case.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;47548686]If the kid got read miranda and did not ask for his parent/lawyer than nothing is wrong. Absolutely nothing.[/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain that does not matter. Pretty sure that officers cannot interrogate a minor under any circumstances without a parent/guardian or legal counsel present.

[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;47552451]Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain that does not matter. Pretty sure that officers cannot interrogate a minor under any circumstances without a parent/guardian or legal counsel present.[/QUOTE] Code3 is a police officer IRL iirc. I trust his knowledge on this.

I wonder if the staff told the boy that "his rights were lost to the public school system the moment he stepped on the bus." They made sure that was drilled in our heads in middle school. We could be bullied by teachers, but if you as much as opened your mouth to defend yourself, SUSPENSION.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;47551378] Point is, the United States has gone fucking crazy. Something must be in the water[/QUOTE] I doubt its the water but discusing why the US is losing sanity would be a good thread in it self.

I gotta say. All the drug education shit and anti-weed messages work on kids. These adults literally think weed is the devil because they never learned any better or experienced it. While inexcusable, they're doing what they think is right and they need to be educated.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;47553267]I gotta say. All the drug education shit and anti-weed messages work on kids. These adults literally think weed is the devil because they never learned any better or experienced it. While inexcusable, they're doing what they think is right and they need to be educated.[/QUOTE] When you say such things- you don't see how unconstuctively hostile that is? We're talking about adults here. They have the right to whatever beliefs and opinions they want. If you believe differently then sure, feel free to spread information and educate the general population. But if you start from the place where "they need to be educated" you're just further cementing the rift.

Speaking of horrible schools, I have a friend who got in trouble for drawing a Gundam in art class and got suspended. All because of "Gun"dam

[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;47554779]When you say such things- you don't see how unconstuctively hostile that is? We're talking about adults here. They have the right to whatever beliefs and opinions they want. If you believe differently then sure, feel free to spread information and educate the general population. But if you start from the place where "they need to be educated" you're just further cementing the rift.[/QUOTE] If and when people espouse opinions that are based on a misunderstanding of facts, what else can you call it but unformed or in need of education?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47554994]If and when people espouse opinions that are based on a misunderstanding of facts, what else can you call it but unformed or in need of education?[/QUOTE] That assumes quite a lot. What opinion do they hold? How is it wrong? And what is the likelihood of convincing them with a pretentious attitude? Limiting the discussion to this article- we know very little. Some kid did an oral report that most likely included information about his mothers drug use. Kid was questioned by authorities. House was latter searched by the police. Kid was taken into child services custody. Like it or not- marijuana is illegal in Kansas. Federally there are no medical uses for it, so no FDA prescription protections apply. If a teacher so much as suspects abuse (and the definition of abuse includes exposure to illegal drugs) they must report their suspicions to the authorities. They can not use their own judgement (the teacher may even think pot is harmless). To not report it could end their career and most likely include conviction and jail time. What I don't get is if the mother felt marijuana was needed for medical reasons why did she move out of the state that allowed it to be used for medical reasons.

Remember billy, your ruined family is your fault. That kids going to be so fucked up if his mother goes to jail Still they have one hell of a good case to be made about overzealous police, though she should have gotten rid of that cannabis oil between their initial visit and their return, they could only have found a used bottle [editline]19th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;47553267]I gotta say. All the drug education shit and anti-weed messages work on kids. These adults literally think weed is the devil because they never learned any better or experienced it. While inexcusable, they're doing what they think is right and they need to be educated.[/QUOTE] It did, before the internet, now the more you lie to kids the more they ignore you. like DARE may have worked in the vacuum of the 80s and 90s but it sure as hell doesn't hold up today. If you want kids to not use something scare tactics and blaitant lies are not going to work, having a frank honest unpatronizing conversation with them is the only thing that can work because its up to them to decide, would you rather they discredit your advice entirely if they found out its wrong, or take it into consideration. Its really hard to have these conversations with my parents because my brother would greatly benefit from medicinal use but my dad still thinks back to the one stoner he knew in college.

[QUOTE=Sableye;47555359] Still they have one hell of a good case to be made about overzealous police, though she should have gotten rid of that cannabis oil between their initial visit and their return, they could only have found a used bottle[/QUOTE] Yeah, then they could have added obstruction of justice charges.

[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;47554779]When you say such things- you don't see how unconstuctively hostile that is? We're talking about adults here. They have the right to whatever beliefs and opinions they want. If you believe differently then sure, feel free to spread information and educate the general population. But if you start from the place where "they need to be educated" you're just further cementing the rift.[/QUOTE] objective facts like marijuana being less dangerous than alcohol are not opinions and if they have a right to believe it, they sure as shit don't have a right to use that false belief to take away a mother's child. Rejecting prohibition and rejecting marijuana are pretty mutually exclusive to a person who actually knows the facts about both.