• Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson expected to be named Trump's Secretary of State
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[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;51509853]Can you really blame a terrorist attack like 9/11 on Bush? That seems a bit unfair.[/QUOTE] Well he was warned several weeks prior that Al-Qaeda was planning to hijack planes. And dismissed it because it wasn't specific or credible enough. So yeah, Yeah I can
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;51509853]Can you really blame a terrorist attack like 9/11 on Bush? That seems a bit unfair.[/QUOTE] not that clinton wasn't briefed on the potential for some guy named osama binladen to do something, but the CIA and FBI both had plenty of warning signs and raised alarms, nobody cared because america was bringing democracy to the former soviet peoples
I mean, you can't blame any president for preventing the attacks (if I remember correctly the main blunder on the part of the Americans was the fact that the CIA and the FBI were not communicating) but if you were, you'd either blame Reagan (for supporting the Mujahideen (note: I know they weren't all extremists, but the Americans did little to prevent Saudi Arabia fueling the extreme ones)) or you'd blame Clinton for killing Osama Bin Laden when he had the chance. Both of those are huge stretches (the Clinton one in particular; the Reagan one isn't obviously directly responsible but it certainly helped fuel extreme Islamic terrorist groups) of course and ridiculous.
Wonder if Trump just made a bet with someone "I wonder how EVIL can we get the government"
brawndo ceo as secretary of agriculture
time for mass suicide
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;51509062]Drain the Swamp, by replacing it with a worse swamp! :downs:[/QUOTE] No no, see, if you drain [I]into[/I] the swamp, eventually it becomes a gulf and no longer a swamp! TA-DA! [QUOTE=Rocko's;51509138]Does Trump just pick who the fuck ever for his cabinet? This dude has no experience in government how the hell is he fit for Secretary of State? His cabinet picks alone show Trump has no clue what the fuck he's doing.[/QUOTE] I'm inclined to think that he knows [I]exactly[/I] what he's doing. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's paying back some owed favors of sorts. That and as I've said a few times before, Trump is a master ass-kisser.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;51509865]Well he was warned several weeks prior that Al-Qaeda was planning to hijack planes. And dismissed it because it wasn't specific or credible enough. So yeah, Yeah I can[/QUOTE] They received vague warnings that they receive all the time about hijackings, along with separate incidents which where not looked into properly by the FBI. Even if they where its doubtful the attack would have been stopped. Blaming Bush for 9/11 isn't really rational.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51509353]Looks like Trump only drained the swamp so he could drill for oil[/QUOTE] Ha! He drained the swamp to fill it with oil.
I wonder how much of a paycut he's taking for this position
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51509353]Looks like Trump only drained the swamp so he could drill for oil[/QUOTE] We're gonna see some fuckin drainage alright. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TNprHSL.jpg[/IMG] My straw goes all the way.......acroooooooooooooss the Middle East
I'll reserve my smug-if-also-distraught commentary for when it's confirmed, but if this goes through... I mean what the fuck, good job Trump voters.
You know, this is the exact kind of news that someone would leak out in order to make another candidate for the SoS seem less extreme/agreeable. Rommey or some other dude may be coming soon.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;51509702]I usually hate it when people point it out, but this time I'm going to do it because I think it has to be said. Note the lack of Trump supporters defending barely [I]any [/I]of these recent cabinet picks. There is no way to twist an oil magnate with a questionable history and no political experience appointed as sec of state into a good thing.[/QUOTE] :plsunderstand: Somehow I get the feeling that the lack of willingness for discussion on Trump supporters' parts might have something to do with the fact that every thread having to do with Trump lately (and some that don't have anything to do with him) has consisted of witch hunts, singling known trump supporters by name, and flaming them before they even make a post "Why are people unwilling to interact with me when I've made it clear I'm only interested in telling them to eat shit, not actually talking to them?" It's more to do with a firm belief that there's no point in talking if there's nobody listening rather than it being a concession, if the silent voters during the campaign season are any indication
[QUOTE=Stroheim;51510600]You know, this is the exact kind of news that someone would leak out in order to make another candidate for the SoS seem less extreme/agreeable. Rommey or some other dude may be coming soon.[/QUOTE] romney scares me the least of trump's sos picks
[QUOTE=Bazsil;51510639]:plsunderstand: Somehow I get the feeling that the lack of willingness for discussion on Trump supporters' parts might have something to do with the fact that every thread having to do with Trump lately (and some that don't have anything to do with him) has consisted of witch hunts, singling known trump supporters by name, and flaming them before they even make a post "Why are people unwilling to interact with me when I've made it clear I'm only interested in telling them to eat shit, not actually talking to them?" It's more to do with a firm belief that there's no point in talking if there's nobody listening rather than it being a concession, if the silent voters during the campaign season are any indication[/QUOTE] This is why we need Mass Debate back imo, and rating-less. At least temporarily until the new site is finalized.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;51510639]:plsunderstand: Somehow I get the feeling that the lack of willingness for discussion on Trump supporters' parts might have something to do with the fact that every thread having to do with Trump lately (and some that don't have anything to do with him) has consisted of witch hunts, singling known trump supporters by name, and flaming them before they even make a post "Why are people unwilling to interact with me when I've made it clear I'm only interested in telling them to eat shit, not actually talking to them?" It's more to do with a firm belief that there's no point in talking if there's nobody listening rather than it being a concession, if the silent voters during the campaign season are any indication[/QUOTE] Yeah, no shit discussion about the future of the country is going to be heated, passionate, and in some cases, derogatory. People don't get pissed for funsies, they get pissed because they're failing to understand why somebody would vote for the guy that does things like [I]make a big oil CEO secretary of state when we're facing a climate/energy crisis.[/I] The thing that really irked me this election was when after election night everyone was saying "well maybe this wouldn't have happened if the left had been a bit nicer" and I find the thought that a large portion of america voted based on hurt feelings over policy mind-boggling and cynical as fuck.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51510825]We talk to them. Not everybody, but a lot of us do. If they cant handle [I]a few[/I] RIGHTFULL inflammatory posts maybe they shouldnt have voted for a candidate so utterly despicable that they have no valid hopes of defending their choice on the grounds of differing opinions Objectively, terrifyingly shit, and an utter lack of judgement[/QUOTE] [i]"A few"[/i] is understatement of the year. Now I can see them not having any rational arguments whatsoever, which is understandably frustrating, but you literally can't deny the amount of vitriol in SH. Not defending them. I just feel like arguments such as "Well they've been doing this for a year" and "They don't deserve respect" hold no ground when many debates here boil down to people discussing with the same temperament that they vehemently oppose. We're better than this.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;51510639]:plsunderstand: Somehow I get the feeling that the lack of willingness for discussion on Trump supporters' parts might have something to do with the fact that every thread having to do with Trump lately (and some that don't have anything to do with him) has consisted of witch hunts, singling known trump supporters by name, and flaming them before they even make a post "Why are people unwilling to interact with me when I've made it clear I'm only interested in telling them to eat shit, not actually talking to them?" It's more to do with a firm belief that there's no point in talking if there's nobody listening rather than it being a concession, if the silent voters during the campaign season are any indication[/QUOTE] Sounds like they need a safe space [editline]10th December 2016[/editline] Like, seriously. If they're that afraid of getting angry responses from people who's lives are affected by their idiotic decision, what's to say they just go away and make their own little website so they can listen to themselves?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51510926]Sounds like they need a safe space [editline]10th December 2016[/editline] Like, seriously. If they're that afraid of getting angry responses from people who's lives are affected by their idiotic decision, what's to say they just go away and make their own little website so they can listen to themselves?[/QUOTE] The idea of making safe spaces is so puzzling to me. Because if they want to leave, they're creating the safe space. But if you want them to leave, are you creating the safe space? We're getting deep in here tonight, folks.
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;51510975]The idea of making safe spaces is so puzzling to me. Because if they want to leave, they're creating the safe space. But if you want them to leave, are you creating the safe space? We're getting deep in here tonight, folks.[/QUOTE] No, I want them to stay here and actually defend their positions instead of cry and run away when people call them out on bullshit positions.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51510926]Sounds like they need a safe space [editline]10th December 2016[/editline] Like, seriously. If they're that afraid of getting angry responses from people who's lives are affected by their idiotic decision, what's to say they just go away and make their own little website so they can listen to themselves?[/QUOTE] Dunno bro but just don't be so surprised if people aren't willing to talk to you if you act like this before they even open their mouths Its just not something that's hard to understand [editline]10th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51510988]No, I want them to stay here and actually defend their positions instead of cry and run away when people call them out on bullshit positions.[/QUOTE] Then chill your shit and make an attempt to talk with them instead of at them. You get what you give. You're not going to though because you're just looking for someone to rant at, and you're not interested in actually making an attempt to have equal discussion. Which, again, is why they aren't going to bother
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51510988]No, I want them to stay here and actually defend their positions instead of cry and run away when people call them out on bullshit positions.[/QUOTE] Then maybe try taking the higher stance instead of dragging yourself down to their levels of temperament.
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I don't get why you're having such difficulty with this. You're straight up demanding people to put forth effort to try and persuade you when you make it clear you're not willing to hear anyone out and just want a venting target. Why do you think you're entitled to this sort of effort when they have nothing to gain or lose whether they talk to you or not? This isn't how someone who's interested in legitimate discussion acts
[QUOTE=Bazsil;51510639]:plsunderstand: Somehow I get the feeling that the lack of willingness for discussion on Trump supporters' parts might have something to do with the fact that every thread having to do with Trump lately (and some that don't have anything to do with him) has consisted of witch hunts, singling known trump supporters by name, and flaming them before they even make a post "Why are people unwilling to interact with me when I've made it clear I'm only interested in telling them to eat shit, not actually talking to them?" It's more to do with a firm belief that there's no point in talking if there's nobody listening rather than it being a concession, if the silent voters during the campaign season are any indication[/QUOTE] I caught just as much (if not more) shit as they did when I shilled for Clinton. They will be okay. It's less of a witch hunt and almost never about flaming, it's just about people who evangelized Trump for months on end suddenly going quiet when he the physical aspects of his administration start materializing. Taking this thread for instance, someone could try and make the argument that this is actually a good SoS pick, or agree with the general reaction that it's a bad pick while still defending Trump. But instead they just stay silent, and that silence is deafening compared to their earlier cheerleading. [editline]10th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Bazsil;51511010]I don't get why you're having such difficulty with this. You're straight up demanding people to put forth effort to try and persuade you [B]when you make it clear you're not willing to hear anyone out and just want a venting target. [/B]Why do you think you're entitled to this sort of effort when they have nothing to gain or lose whether they talk to you or not? This isn't how someone who's interested in legitimate discussion acts[/QUOTE] You are projecting here friend because at least for me, that isn't the intention.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51510891]Yeah, no shit discussion about the future of the country is going to be heated, passionate, and in some cases, derogatory. [/QUOTE] But that's not what a discussion is supposed to be. Discussion is supposed to be objective and strictly focusing on the future of the country. We should not stray off the objective through passion. Our job is to push forward for the better of the country, and from what I see, we're stopping over stones we could easily step over. Do not misunderstand, adversaries are important and are crucial to progress, but if someone who is not willing to LISTEN by saying "yeah, well you're just liberal :)" or whatever, move onto those who are willing to. You become so focused on a target that you ultimately get no where. Hell, I might even argue that it polarizes the politics who were solely supposed to work together. We should not justify emotions with emotions. I mean, I get that it's supposed to be normal get passionate, just don't get to the point where it's objectively useless or worse, some sort of persecution.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51511043] You are projecting here friend because at least for me, that isn't the intention.[/QUOTE] That was aimed specifically for Zillamaster (removed his quote from my post when he snipped his) That being projecting is just as nonsensical as trying to claim you were persecuted for being a Clinton supporter, though. Most of the shit flinging in these threads is very emotionally charged and it doesn't take a genius to figure that any attempts to give people the counterargument they're pretending like they so desperately want would be like talking to a brick wall. Why are you even bringing up me projecting against you specifically when you only have one other post early on in this thread, and it is nowhere near the kind of behavior I'm talking about?
[QUOTE=Rocko's;51509138]Does Trump just pick who the fuck ever for his cabinet? This dude has no experience in government how the hell is he fit for Secretary of State? His cabinet picks alone show Trump has no clue what the fuck he's doing.[/QUOTE] Playing devil's advocate just a tiny bit, in essence, the government is a management system. CEOs have to manage their companies (not always directly though, especially in a big company obviously). As already pointed out, for better or for worse, the guy has connections with Putin. Rex may not be formalized in government, but I guess in Trump's eyes, he has the foreign affairs experience or some shit... Of course, shit like this has layers to it. How do we know Trump isn't being pressured in to serving other people's interests, whether they match his own or not? With this story breaking, it still is speculation, however certain it still might be. It's in the realm of possibility that the choice is being pushed on to Trump. I only say that in the sense that if there was still debate on who to choose, a story like this helps cement one person over another. I don't believe that thought it 100% seriousness, just entertaining the idea that there is even more shady shit than we can imagine going on that we thought. I also still don't know what to make of this mess. I really am kind of numb to all the news now.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;51511062]That was aimed specifically for Zillamaster (removed his quote from my post when he snipped his) That being projecting is just as nonsensical as trying to claim you were persecuted for being a Clinton supporter, though. Most of the shit flinging in these threads is very emotionally charged and it doesn't take a genius to figure that any attempts to give people the counterargument they're pretending like they so desperately want would be like talking to a brick wall.[/QUOTE] First off, do you think you can dial down the antagonistic tone? Secondly, I wasn't persecuted for being a Clinton supporter, I had mean words typed at me on the internet. I was just explaining that the Trump supporters on FP are going to be okay if they post in these threads.
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