Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson expected to be named Trump's Secretary of State
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[QUOTE=Marbalo;51510983]The very fact that that it irks you further cements the fact that the left is completely detached from what is going on in the country, and the right being, well, you know, human beings. With feelings. Perhaps somewhat misguided and unjustified feelings. Sometimes feelings are the only thing driving politics, why is that such a foreign concept to you?[/QUOTE]
Detached from what exactly? From fake-news? Lies? Trump memes? "The left" seems more like a scapegoat to me. "The left" is not responsible for Trump's picks. It's Trump himself, and people have every right to criticise him for it. The problem is that many of his supporters don't really care about it or listen to it, because they are the ones who live in safe-spaces.
[quote] When was the last time you looked around you? Outside of your usual social circle? Have you ever even attempted to gain some form of consensus by simply talking to strangers and getting to know their points of view, no matter how dumb or unfounded or even false they might sound to you?[/quote]
Yes, but you can't argue with someone who uses feelings as a basis for their arguments. That's a contradication to the very nature of sensible arguments. This year's word of the year is "[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-truth_politics"]post-truth[/URL]" - connected to politics where facts don't matter at all anymore. Trump proofed that it works.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51510983]The very fact that that it irks you further cements the fact that the left is completely detached from what is going on in the country, and the right being, well, you know, human beings. With feelings. Perhaps somewhat misguided and unjustified feelings. Sometimes feelings are the only thing driving politics, why is that such a foreign concept to you?[/QUOTE]
I'm getting mixed messages from the right. Is the left made up of overly-emotional crybaby feminist SJW's who prioritize feels before reals, or are they ivory tower intellectuals who care not for the emotional toil of the working class and are laser focused on policy before everything else
Additionally, is the left entitled to being considered human beings, or is that reserved for the morally superior right?
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51510983]
Despite this, you guys are still absolutely shocked that "in 2016 we still have backwards thinking people". When was the last time you looked around you? Outside of your usual social circle? Have you ever even attempted to gain some form of consensus by simply talking to strangers and getting to know their points of view, no matter how dumb or unfounded or even false they might sound to you? Have you ever asked yourself why so many support Trump? Why /r/The_Donald/ is starting to appear on the news? This election caught so many by surprise simply because those same people have been living in their own social bubbles, surrounding themselves with people who hold similar views, and rejecting or avoiding anyone who deviates from their own set narrative about what a "good person" is. Understandable, we're all guilty of this in our day-to-day lives, but I believe that if your country had not been so divided and undirected, this election wouldn't have surprised anybody, and it could have even changed its course from the very beginning.[/QUOTE]
I am absolutely surrounded by Trump supporters. I have to talk to 12 people before I find the first Democrat. And yes, the vast majority of the reasons I've that are in support of Trump or against Clinton are objectively wrong. I don't know if that constitutes "backwards thinking".
[editline]10th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bazsil;51511062]
Why are you even bringing up me projecting against you specifically when you only have one other post early on in this thread, and it is nowhere near the kind of behavior I'm talking about?[/QUOTE]
I call it projection because all of your posts are absolutely [I]dripping [/I]with condescension so you assume that everyone who wants to have a political discussion with a Trump evangelist regarding the numerous 180's on his campaign promises as being the same.
If you are going to make the argument that call outs are being ignored because they are being flamed, you need to be specific about which posters, preferably with quotes.
[editline]10th December 2016[/editline]
We have rules against flaming. I can't call a Trump supporter a retard, that's flaming. I can ask a Trump supporter to explain why Trump lied, or why Trump's picks are the hundred percent opposite of what Trump promised. I can ask a Trump supporter who said Trump would do a thing what's up with him not doing that thing. If the moderators want to ban that, fair play, but they only have themselves to blame for preaching in Trump's name as long and as loudly as they did. Some people do want to see them simply eat crow. I think the majority just want to have a decent discussion and are willing to come to some middle ground that says "Yeah it's shitty that he lied about that but at least he isn't crazy".
You aren't going to stop it though, especially with very poorly veiled insults strewn about.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51510983]The very fact that that it irks you further cements the fact that the left is completely detached from what is going on in the country, and the right being, well, you know, human beings. With feelings. Perhaps somewhat misguided and unjustified feelings. Sometimes feelings are the only thing driving politics, why is that such a foreign concept to you?[/QUOTE]
You don't think it's reasonable to be angry about large swathes of people not even paying attention to deeper politics and just voting on vague feels? The future of the country isn't a reality show, and I don't think feels before reals is an acceptable position at that point.
Back on topic
[QUOTE=NO ONE;51511065]Playing devil's advocate just a tiny bit, in essence, the government is a management system. CEOs have to manage their companies (not always directly though, especially in a big company obviously). As already pointed out, for better or for worse, the guy has connections with Putin. Rex may not be formalized in government, but I guess in Trump's eyes, he has the foreign affairs experience or some shit...
Of course, shit like this has layers to it. How do we know Trump isn't being pressured in to serving other people's interests, whether they match his own or not?
With this story breaking, it still is speculation, however certain it still might be. It's in the realm of possibility that the choice is being pushed on to Trump. I only say that in the sense that if there was still debate on who to choose, a story like this helps cement one person over another.
I don't believe that thought it 100% seriousness, just entertaining the idea that there is even more shady shit than we can imagine going on that we thought. I also still don't know what to make of this mess. I really am kind of numb to all the news now.[/QUOTE]
This is how I've seen /pol/ and t_d spin it. That Trump is avoiding career politicians (lets ignore the fact that this is false) and appointing business people who "know how to get a job done" even if they don't have traditional experience in the field.
To which my response would be: Why this guy though? Obviously a Republican candidate is going to look at a Big Oil CEO and see a useful ally or potential appointee somewhere, but why the CEO who's biggest foreign business tie is Russia? The one who stands to benefit enormously if sanctions are lifted? Surely even in the energy sector there are business leaders with as much or more experience than him in foreign affairs and I'm interested with why they went with him.
Ok we can stop the simulation...Hello?...
[QUOTE=Bazsil;51511062]That was aimed specifically for Zillamaster (removed his quote from my post when he snipped his)
That being projecting is just as nonsensical as trying to claim you were persecuted for being a Clinton supporter, though. Most of the shit flinging in these threads is very emotionally charged and it doesn't take a genius to figure that any attempts to give people the counterargument they're pretending like they so desperately want would be like talking to a brick wall.
Why are you even bringing up me projecting against you specifically when you only have one other post early on in this thread, and it is nowhere near the kind of behavior I'm talking about?[/QUOTE]
Look, when facts don't work any more for an argument, and people use feelings over facts, you're never going to get a good discussion out of such individuals anyway. They are only interested in their little corner of reality ignoring everything else crashing down around them, and mark my words, they will find somebody besides Trump to blame for their problems instead of sucking it up and actually acknowledging that the facts were right, because they're too stubborn to acknowledge otherwise. A minority and some of the less fanatical supporters of Trump might realize this, but the majority of these will not, or will refuse to understand why gambles have consequences. In this case, the gamble fucked everybody over, it's the equivalent of rolling snake eyes in a dice game where every other number would have led to a better result.
Yeah, a lot of us are pretty bitter that these guys fell for the lies of an idiotic, power hungry, plutocratic businessman who only got into the election for the sake of a fucking ego trip. He masterfully exploited them by telling them what they wanted to hear and played all of his support base like a fiddle. People claim that his appointments of businessmen is a good thing because 'they know business' and will do well because they 'werent career politicians' when all these will do is pillage the US Treasury, ruin the economy and environment, and set the US and Global economy back a good 20 or 30 years if not more.
If you're so upset that Trumpsters are being called out for being stupid enough to vote for a lying businessman, you've got another thing coming. I'm not one to mince words, but voting for an obvious liar for the hope of a hope of change when everybody who knows what they're doing said voting him in will fuck the whole country as well as the world over is the height of monumental stupidity when your emotions ended up overruling the facts. If you can't defend a shitty choice properly, or use memes and empty promises as your arguments, or just wanted the system to burn, your vote was a blight in this election. Nothing's stopping you from voting for your candidate of choice, but nothing's stopping the rest of us from demanding answers WHY you fucked everybody else over because you felt hard done by thanks to the system. Don't blame the system for your problems, blame the inherent issues with the system that nobody fucking bothered to fix or even tried to fix because it meant stepping on toes nobody wanted to step on.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51510988]No, I want them to stay here and actually defend their positions instead of cry and run away when people call them out on bullshit positions.[/QUOTE]
Hey, buddy. No one needs to defend anything to you or to any liberal. Newsflash: they can just do whatever they want now. They run the show now. They don't need you, and you acting like the way you are only hurts you and your cause.
You can say you want them to defend stuff, but why bother? You are killing all incentive to be talked to when you're being as rude as you are. But hey, as long as you feel justified you're allowed to treat others the way you do, right?
[editline]11th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51511122]You don't think it's reasonable to be angry about large swathes of people not even paying attention to deeper politics and just voting on vague feels? The future of the country isn't a reality show, and I don't think feels before reals is an acceptable position at that point.[/QUOTE]
No one wants to listen to condescension. Condescension and anger leads to one side rushing to their defense mechanisms, and at the point you have failed. So, yes, feelings and trying to consider the concerns of the people around you are important. Neglect of a growing portion of America that people kept trying to sweep under the rug elected Trump, and now that Trump is putting people like this in power I would imagine it is in the leftists' best interests to actually consider others and give them even the slightest chance to be wrong without pummeling their ego and making them not want to associate with what they deem assholes.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;51511963]Hey, buddy. No one needs to defend anything to you or to any liberal. Newsflash: they can just do whatever they want now. They run the show now. They don't need you, and you acting like the way you are only hurts you and your cause.
You can say you want them to defend stuff, but why bother? You are killing all incentive to be talked to when you're being as rude as you are. But hey, as long as you feel justified you're allowed to treat others the way you do, right?
[editline]11th December 2016[/editline]
[B]No one wants to listen to condescension[/B]. Condescension and anger leads to one side rushing to their defense mechanisms, and at the point you have failed. So, yes, feelings and trying to consider the concerns of the people around you are important. Neglect of a growing portion of America that people kept trying to sweep under the rug elected Trump, and now that Trump is putting people like this in power I would imagine it is in the leftists' best interests to actually consider others and give them even the slightest chance to be wrong without pummeling their ego and making them not want to associate with what they deem assholes.[/QUOTE]
The entire first half of this post is condescension though.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51512007]The entire first half of this post is condescension though.[/QUOTE]
It's a matter of treat others how you want to be treated. This guy is getting riled up and essentially calling Trump supporters pussy idiots [I]by default[/I] while also sitting around confused when people don't bother talking to him or people like him.
As someone who's got friends on both sides, I won't blame my Trump-supporting friends for not rushing to Facepunch to defend Trump nor will I expect it. Is it fair to say he hasn't seen a lot of defenses being made for the cabinet? Sure, that's fine. But the way he's going about it - the entitlement to an answer and the outright rejection from the very start makes its own statement for his personality. It's fucked up.
I'm not going to be nice to the bully, and, really, that's the way a lot of Trump supporters have seen the current state of politics: a lot of bullying. A lot of exile. A lot of being left for dead. And the reason why Trump has gained so much power is exemplified in this guy's behavior. They're done with being bullied and talked down to. If this guy actually wants a conversation, there needs to be an actual conversation.
I'm not for Trump but I would have a serious bone to pick with this guy if he were to actually talk to my friends the way his is right now. And, really, this is not one isolated incident - there's a serious change that needs to be had if people actually want things to change, and it doesn't start with the other side. It starts with not picking fights right from the get-go, or otherwise being toxic.
A lot of people on Facepunch and otherwise have tried to engage Trump supporters (distinct from Trumpsters or Trumpets) in rational discussion, and these few supporters of Trump even willing to engage in discussion have spoken carefully about their concerns and why they felt he was the better choice over Clinton. You can respect people who talk like that instead of shoving memes in peoples' faces.
I can respect your stance that they feel they're being marginalized in the scheme of things, or forgotten by big government. Trump acted to make these individuals feel like they mattered to him, even if in so far all he wanted out of them was their vote. Clinton's mistake was focusing on Trump and Trump alone instead of actually canvassing for votes and trying to listen to the concerns of the working poor and those with little to no upward mobility.
I'm all for having an actual conversation with somebody until I end up getting hit in my face and get talked down to for being 'a liberal' or 'a dirty communist' or 'a cuck' because that's as insulting to me as it happens to be for a Trumpet (again, distinct from Trump supporter) to be told they're bigoted, racist, or fascist (note, this isn't true in all cases.)
Both sides are at fault here, but both sides refuse to acknowledge their faults or try to deflect the blame onto something else. I've seen this in my experience, such as it is (deflection) as being more used by Trumpets instead of Trump supporters who gave what seems to me to be more legitimate reasons why they chose to give him their vote. Most of these sensible supporters seem even now to be getting disillusioned considering his cabinet picks, as I've been told in PMs by such individuals.
To sum up, I'm all for treating people like you want to be treated, but if they just outright don't want to listen in the first place, others have a right to be upset too considering what four years of Trump will mean for everybody, not just the side who lost the election. Liberals and Centrists have feelings of their own too, it's just that they don't want the country to go completely backwards in four years, while most supporters of Trump could care less about what happens until shit directly starts affecting them, such as if net neutrality gets completely expunged.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;51511963]Hey, buddy. No one needs to defend anything to you or to any liberal. Newsflash: they can just do whatever they want now. They run the show now. They don't need you, and you acting like the way you are only hurts you and your cause.[/QUOTE]
Newsflash: Trump supporters don't run shit.
Trump is already discarding them along with his election promises in concentrate on his real priorities of looting the treasury, ego projects, and misuse of his position for personal profit.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;51510993]Then chill your shit and make an attempt to talk with them instead of at them. [B]You get what you give[/B]. You're not going to though because you're just looking for someone to rant at, and you're not interested in actually making an attempt to have equal discussion. Which, again, is why they aren't going to bother[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]You get what you give[/QUOTE]
Exactly the reason trump supporters are being rightfully attacked and called out for their bullshit. They have spent the last year, nearly year and a half, antagonizing, trolling, flaming, ducking and dodging debates, ignoring facts, and being general derogatory assholes. All while acting like victims every time they get called out or banned. Then on the night trump won, they pansied around about how they voted trump because their feelings were so hurt. Now they've all disappeared as soon as trump has turned out to be everything he was accused of being, and everything they claimed he would be has been proven wrong.
They're getting exactly what they put in, and they deserve every last bit of it. You have to have been under a rock to be as clueless as you appear to be. You think they're not responding because they afraid of being "dogpiled" or "attacked"? No, this is the standard MO for all of them. Disappear when reality doesn't suit what they want to believe, and appear only in the brief moments trump looks good, just to disappear when the truth inevitability comes out again. This is nothing new for them, and we're all beyond tired of the intellectual dishonesty that trump supporters collectively partake in. They have successfully pissed off nearly everybody that isn't in their safe spaces, and now they all act victimized when they have to face the consequences of their actions.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51512133]Exactly the reason trump supporters are being rightfully attacked and called out for their bullshit. They have spent the last year, nearly year and a half, antagonizing, trolling, flaming, ducking and dodging debates, ignoring facts, and being general derogatory assholes. All while acting like victims every time they get called out or banned. Then on the night trump won, they pansied around about how they voted trump because their feelings were so hurt. Now they've all disappeared as soon as trump has turned out to be everything he was accused of being, and everything they claimed he would be has been proven wrong.
They're getting exactly what they put in, and they deserve every last bit of it. You have to have been under a rock to be as clueless as you appear to be. You think they're not responding because they afraid of being "dogpiled" or "attacked"? No, this is the standard MO for all of them. Disappear when reality doesn't suit what they want to believe, and appear only in the brief moments trump looks good, just to disappear when the truth inevitability comes out again. This is nothing new for them, and we're all beyond tired of the intellectual dishonesty that trump supporters collectively partake in. They have successfully pissed off nearly everybody that isn't in their safe spaces, and now they all act victimized when they have to face the consequences of their actions.[/QUOTE]
So I've taken the time to highlight errors in what you wrote:
[quote]Exactly the reason [B]trump supporters[/B] are being rightfully attacked and called out for their bullshit[/quote]
[quote][B]They [/B]have spent the last year, nearly year and a half, antagonizing, trolling, flaming, ducking and dodging debates, ignoring facts, and being general derogatory assholes[/quote]
[quote]Then on the night trump won, [B]they [/B]pansied around about how they voted trump because their feelings were so hurt.[/quote]
[quote] Now [B]they've [/B]all disappeared as soon as trump has turned out to be everything he was accused of being, and everything [B]they [/B]claimed he would be has been proven wrong. [/quote]
[quote]You think [B]they're [/B]not responding because [B]they [/B]afraid of being "dogpiled" or "attacked"?[/quote]
[quote]Disappear when reality doesn't suit what [B]they [/B]want to believe, and appear only in the brief moments trump looks good, just to disappear when the truth inevitability comes out again. [/quote]
[quote]This is nothing new for [B]them[/B], and we're all beyond tired of the intellectual dishonesty that trump supporters collectively partake in. [/quote]
[quote]They have successfully pissed off nearly everybody that isn't in [B]their [/B]safe spaces, and now [B]they [/B]all act victimized when they have to face the consequences of their actions.[/quote]
They, they, they. Who's "they"? Because if we're going to play the "they" game by addressing people by their worst, Bernie Sanders supporters are douchebag bros destroying cars and Clinton supporters are crazy feminazi Tumblr dwellers. Let's be honest, your real issue is with awful people, not Trump supporters. Those two categories can overlap, but you'll see the same effect with Bernie and Clinton supporters.
The issue I have is people will straight up write off people instantly for being a Trump supporter. They already have an idea of how they're going to act based on a stereotype or based on bad experiences. Unfortunately, the most obnoxious people are the eye-catching ones, and the ones that are more reasonable and keep quiet not only don't get the attention but suffer the consequences of their falsely chosen representatives. This happens with every group out there, and so when I see people saying "WHY DON'T TRUMP SUPPORTERS TALK ABOUT THIS NOW? THEY WERE JUST YELLING ABOUT ATATYAHTTAYHA" - it's already a fallacious statement because the claim is that Trump supporters were [I]screaming[/I] about something as some collective mindset that worships Trump about whatever.
Are there terrible Trump supporters? Sure. I've seen them. But I think there's a really weird yearning to be right that has made toxicity more than just the norm, but something to strive for. I'm not looking to shit on Zillamaster more than I have already because I don't think he's the sole proprietor of leftist aggression, but what he was doing was beating on his chest wanting people to come at him. He's showing off some form of dominance to all of the Trump supporters around him, claiming that they can't defend Trump anymore. But not all Trump supporters are eager to share their two cents about the world around them. There's a lot of silent people when it comes to politics. There's moderate Trump supporters. There's people who voted for Trump simply out of protest for the corruption in the Democratic party. And the idea that all of these people should be treated the same as the diehard Trump fans and regulars of /pol/ is disgusting, and it's this misrepresentation that I think alienated people away from the left and Clinton. It's the complete opposite of welcoming.
Yes, there's people that call others cucks. I've been called a cuck, a marxist, a commie, whipped - you name it. But I think in this world, you ought to be specific: I was called these things by crass dumbasses. I've also been called out for my "white privilege" (which has layers of bigotry to itself as I'm actually part Mexican) and not being liberal enough by people on the left, which we can chalk up to mere dumbasses. There's no need to make these people the representatives of these groups, and I don't really get the point of trying to hold the entirety of the left and right responsible for whatever Trump is doing, at least not in the "I told you so" way that people keep doing. It's not productive. It's not convincing. I don't listen when people call me a fucking idiot, and should I use inflammatory words with people it's with the expectation that they're going to continue being awful and I want them to go away. "Fuck you" isn't a way to compromise or learn from others.
I have some hardcore Trump supporting friends as well as some down-to-earth reserved friends who voted Trump. I'd rather them not be put in the same bag for the same reason I don't think the car-smashing "progressives" should be bunched in with the Bernie supporting fanbase. Or at least, if they are bunched in, that I'm given my own sub-group that's given enough distinction from the assholes.
That's really all I've got to say on why the whole thing bothered me.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;51512254]So I've taken the time to highlight errors in what you wrote:
They, they, they. Who's "they"? Because if we're going to play the "they" game by addressing people by their worst, Bernie Sanders supporters are douchebag bros destroying cars and Clinton supporters are crazy feminazi Tumblr dwellers. Let's be honest, your real issue is with awful people, not Trump supporters. Those two categories can overlap, but you'll see the same effect with Bernie and Clinton supporters.
The issue I have is people will straight up write off people instantly for being a Trump supporter. They already have an idea of how they're going to act based on a stereotype or based on bad experiences. Unfortunately, the most obnoxious people are the eye-catching ones, and the ones that are more reasonable and keep quiet not only don't get the attention but suffer the consequences of their falsely chosen representatives. This happens with every group out there, and so when I see people saying "WHY DON'T TRUMP SUPPORTERS TALK ABOUT THIS NOW? THEY WERE JUST YELLING ABOUT ATATYAHTTAYHA" - it's already a fallacious statement because the claim is that Trump supporters were [I]screaming[/I] about something as some collective mindset that worships Trump about whatever.
Are there terrible Trump supporters? Sure. I've seen them. But I think there's a really weird yearning to be right that has made toxicity more than just the norm, but something to strive for. I'm not looking to shit on Zillamaster more than I have already because I don't think he's the sole proprietor of leftist aggression, but what he was doing was beating on his chest wanting people to come at him. He's showing off some form of dominance to all of the Trump supporters around him, claiming that they can't defend Trump anymore. But not all Trump supporters are eager to share their two cents about the world around them. There's a lot of silent people when it comes to politics. There's moderate Trump supporters. There's people who voted for Trump simply out of protest for the corruption in the Democratic party. And the idea that all of these people should be treated the same as the diehard Trump fans and regulars of /pol/ is disgusting, and it's this misrepresentation that I think alienated people away from the left and Clinton. It's the complete opposite of welcoming.
Yes, there's people that call others cucks. I've been called a cuck, a marxist, a commie, whipped - you name it. But I think in this world, you ought to be specific: I was called these things by crass dumbasses. I've also been called out for my "white privilege" (which has layers of bigotry to itself as I'm actually part Mexican) and not being liberal enough by people on the left, which we can chalk up to mere dumbasses. There's no need to make these people the representatives of these groups, and I don't really get the point of trying to hold the entirety of the left and right responsible for whatever Trump is doing, at least not in the "I told you so" way that people keep doing. It's not productive. It's not convincing. I don't listen when people call me a fucking idiot, and should I use inflammatory words with people it's with the expectation that they're going to continue being awful and I want them to go away. "Fuck you" isn't a way to compromise or learn from others.
I have some hardcore Trump supporting friends as well as some down-to-earth reserved friends who voted Trump. I'd rather them not be put in the same bag for the same reason I don't think the car-smashing "progressives" should be bunched in with the Bernie supporting fanbase. Or at least, if they are bunched in, that I'm given my own sub-group that's given enough distinction from the assholes.
That's really all I've got to say on why the whole thing bothered me.[/QUOTE]
"They" is people on Facepunch. And where Facepunch is concerned, that's not really a generalization.
Signs point to "Yes"
[media]https://www.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808638507161882624[/media]
[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51522016]Signs point to "Yes"
[media]https://www.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808638507161882624[/media][/QUOTE]
Let me be the first then to say "fuck" at the time of my lungs.
The Americans are fucked and we might be fecked as well.
Considering Ireland's location in the world, I feel this is appropriate:
[video=youtube;DohRa9lsx0Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q[/video]
[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51522016]Signs point to "Yes"
[media]https://www.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808638507161882624[/media][/QUOTE]
Fucking unbelievable.
Well, doing some digging on the guy, it seems he has advocated in the past for a Revenue Neutral carbon tax, which is the same thing that Elon Musk and other leaders have argued for. And Exxon as a corporation under his rule officially acknowledges humanity's role (and thus their role) in climate change.
[url]https://energyfactor.exxonmobil.com/corporate-citizenship-sustainability/exxonmobil-and-the-carbon-tax/[/url]
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilBFuVPQw48[/media]
So if I'm gathering this right, he acknowledges that the planet is warming from human activity, and he argues for a carbon tax, but he downplays the severity of the effects down the road.
So there's that...
Next question would be whether or not an engineer that climbed the ladder of a major corporation to become it's CEO is qualified to be Secretary of State... I guess that would have to be determined by an analysis of his leadership style and management methods. His lack of previous public office might make it difficult, though.
Well in Europe we have this weird situation that that the carbon emission tickets actually enabled big industry to emit more CO2 because they would just buy them for dirt cheap from 3rd world countries so it kinda makes sense that he argues for it.
At least in the emission ticket form it's a non-solution that enables the industry to pretend that they did something while actually going on like usual.
Don't know if that's how it works in the US but over here engineers are formed in management and leadership, maybe he will be competent enough?
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51509595]If someone makes a movie where totally-not-Trump wins, the main character falls in to a coma for 4 years, and wakes up to a mad max style apocalypse, I'm so watching it.[/QUOTE]
That does exist. It's called "Idiocracy".
wonder when trump's supporters are going to admit they got played, because currently they're saying that "draining the swamp" just meant that trump was getting rid of career politicians who accepted lobbying and electing lobbyists themselves is fine
[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51522016]Signs point to "Yes"
[media]https://www.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808638507161882624[/media][/QUOTE]
I can hear the swamp draining
[QUOTE=Untouch;51522274]wonder when trump's supporters are going to admit they got played, because currently they're saying that "draining the swamp" just meant that trump was getting rid of career politicians who accepted lobbying and electing lobbyists themselves is fine[/QUOTE]
Draining the swamp while the river is still flowing into it.
Funny these anti-establishment extremists talking about putting Clinton down won't give a thought to doing the same for this asshole or any of the other corporate figures Trump's going to invite to the table to fuck up their country
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51522305]Funny these anti-establishment extremists talking about putting Clinton down won't give a thought to doing the same for this asshole or any of the other corporate figures Trump's going to invite to the table to fuck up their country[/QUOTE]
no it's just trump playing 18th dimensional speed murderchess with us! y-you'll see!
:worried:
Trump confirmed for Putin puppet.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51522305]Funny these anti-establishment extremists talking about putting Clinton down won't give a thought to doing the same for this asshole or any of the other corporate figures Trump's going to invite to the table to fuck up their country[/QUOTE]
But it's on [I]their[/I] side, so that's all that matters. It's like a fucking team sport to these people.
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;51509062]Drain the Swamp, by replacing it with a worse swamp! :downs:[/QUOTE]
Drain the swamp, and hire all the amphibians and reptiles that come crawling out of it
At this point I just hope 4 years with trump will make people wake up and we'll get 8 years with Bernie in 2020.
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