• Its over; Super Pope issues edict on climate change.
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this guy just gets better and better [editline]28th December 2014[/editline] now then, try to get the protestants to listen [sp]they won't :([/sp]
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46811732]I imagine it being like the creation of the Fellowship of the Ring, except in this one we'll have two Christians, a Muslim, a Jew, a pagan and four Buddhists travelling together and trying to solve global warming. [editline]28th December 2014[/editline] And they all have to be super stereotypes. Crusader, jihadist, rabbi, witch and four Shaolin Monks.[/QUOTE] Is the second Christian a friendly mid-thirties dad with a sweater vest and a football?
[QUOTE=bravehat;46810273]Mate, if the Pope saves the world I will lose my mind.[/QUOTE] Quite frankly I'm amazed he even knows about this kind of stuff, where did he even get educated on it?
[QUOTE=ProfHappycat7;46813121]this guy just gets better and better [editline]28th December 2014[/editline] now then, try to get the protestants to listen [sp]they won't :([/sp][/QUOTE] What gets me every time is that the Protestants staunchly claim that Martin Luther was totally anti-catholic. He wasn't, hell, he didn't even want to leave the church. On top of that, he swore the oath of poverty as a priest, meaning he wasn't allowed to actually own anything for himself. Everything had to be donated/given to him by the church. Apart from that, there's several doctrinal differences that pretty much shatter any kind of communication between the two groups.
How is this pope so based
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;46810246]All I can hear is movie trailer voices saying 'He's Earth's last hope for survival'.[/QUOTE] "He's our only pope!"
Ehhhh idk I think he bought into this global warming bs a bit too easily
Okay... Since some people here think this is out of the ordinary for the Catholic Church, it isn't. There's a number of reasons why it isn't, but I'll hit two of the big ones. Number one: Stewardship of the Earth. This is a pretty commonly overlooked concept in most sects of Christianity, but the Catholics treat it as a core belief. They believe people have a responsibility to protect what they rule, Earth included, and try to improve it. Catholic groups have long been at the forefront of environmental responsibility, and this is another step to secure that. Number two: The Catholic Church does not reject science. Hasn't for a few hundred years. In fact, recent popes have taken the position that, should science reject something in the Bible, such as young-earth creationism, then that thing is clearly metaphorical rather than literal. Because of this, the Church has accepted many modern scientific beliefs, like evolution and the geological timescale. It makes sense, then, that climate change would fit in their worldview. As for why some Protestant divisions don't think this way, the answer is mostly political. Whether it's a case of a "good ole boy" mentality, one's political beliefs, or a misinterpretation of scripture, these concepts have become so cemented in the zeitgeist of the particular sect that it becomes a core belief, and rejecting it would create doubt throughout the rest of the belief structure. Since faith is such an important concept throughout Christianity, especially Protestantism, this could actually cause a person to doubt his own faith or find other cracks in the system. The evangelical rejection of scientific truths is a preservation method stemming from a misunderstanding of scripture combined with personal interests, and is actually a really interesting field of theological study.
[QUOTE=woolio1;46814735]Okay... Since some people here think this is out of the ordinary for the Catholic Church, it isn't. There's a number of reasons why it isn't, but I'll hit two of the big ones. Number one: Stewardship of the Earth. This is a pretty commonly overlooked concept in most sects of Christianity, but the Catholics treat it as a core belief. They believe people have a responsibility to protect what they rule, Earth included, and try to improve it. Catholic groups have long been at the forefront of environmental responsibility, and this is another step to secure that. Number two: The Catholic Church does not reject science. Hasn't for a few hundred years. In fact, recent popes have taken the position that, should science reject something in the Bible, such as young-earth creationism, then that thing is clearly metaphorical rather than literal. Because of this, the Church has accepted many modern scientific beliefs, like evolution and the geological timescale. It makes sense, then, that climate change would fit in their worldview. As for why some Protestant divisions don't think this way, the answer is mostly political. Whether it's a case of a "good ole boy" mentality, one's political beliefs, or a misinterpretation of scripture, these concepts have become so cemented in the zeitgeist of the particular sect that it becomes a core belief, and rejecting it would create doubt throughout the rest of the belief structure. Since faith is such an important concept throughout Christianity, especially Protestantism, this could actually cause a person to doubt his own faith or find other cracks in the system. The evangelical rejection of scientific truths is a preservation method stemming from a misunderstanding of scripture combined with personal interests, and is actually a really interesting field of theological study.[/QUOTE] No, you don't understand, Francis is a totally revolutionary Pope! He's undertaken tons of progressive reforms within his church, including:
[QUOTE=Explosions;46814749]No, you don't understand, Francis is a totally revolutionary Pope! He's undertaken tons of progressive reforms within his church, including:[/QUOTE] stick to american politics oh wait, american politics is essentially religion, so enjoy your stay here
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;46813214]Quite frankly I'm amazed he even knows about this kind of stuff, where did he even get educated on it?[/QUOTE] Quite frankly I'm impressed there are still people who think the Vatican is still in the dark ages.
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;46813214]Quite frankly I'm amazed he even knows about this kind of stuff, where did he even get educated on it?[/QUOTE] Dude, he's got a master in chemistry or something like that, this isn't some secluded monk.
[QUOTE=woolio1;46814735]Okay... Since some people here think this is out of the ordinary for the Catholic Church, it isn't. There's a number of reasons why it isn't, but I'll hit two of the big ones. Number one: Stewardship of the Earth. This is a pretty commonly overlooked concept in most sects of Christianity, but the Catholics treat it as a core belief. They believe people have a responsibility to protect what they rule, Earth included, and try to improve it. Catholic groups have long been at the forefront of environmental responsibility, and this is another step to secure that. Number two: The Catholic Church does not reject science. Hasn't for a few hundred years. In fact, recent popes have taken the position that, should science reject something in the Bible, such as young-earth creationism, then that thing is clearly metaphorical rather than literal. Because of this, the Church has accepted many modern scientific beliefs, like evolution and the geological timescale. It makes sense, then, that climate change would fit in their worldview. [/QUOTE] Doesn't the church also have a rather large team of scientists and forensics to examine artifacts like the Shroud of Turin and relics of saints? On another note, protestants get the young-earth thing from language translation, and the catholic church from what I've seen doesn't take a solid stance on either old or young earth because the amount of time simply isn't specified within the Bible. I haven't seen or met other catholics that follow the evolutionary viewpoint, though.
[QUOTE=bravehat;46815118]Quite frankly I'm impressed there are still people who think the Vatican is still in the dark ages.[/QUOTE] Ironically, the church was a big driver behind what got us out of the "dark ages".
[QUOTE]Francis will also be opposed by the powerful US evangelical movement, said Calvin Beisner, spokesman for the conservative Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, which has [B]declared the US environmental movement to be "un-biblical" and a false religion.[/B] [b]"The pope should back off," he said. "The Catholic church is correct on the ethical principles but has been misled on the science[/B]. It follows that the policies the Vatican is promoting are incorrect. Our position reflects the views of millions of evangelical Christians in the US."[/QUOTE] hahahahahahahahahahaha [editline]29th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Explosions;46814749]No, you don't understand, Francis is a totally revolutionary Pope! He's undertaken tons of progressive reforms within his church, including:[/QUOTE] i understand your point, but it's been less than two years since he was made pope. the first step to enacting reforms is to prompt discussion on making them. the backlash would be larger if there were no hints or warnings that changes were coming. but of course, we'll only know how much he changes, both officially and unofficially, with time.
[QUOTE=joes33431;46816783]hahahahahahahahahahaha [editline]29th December 2014[/editline] i understand your point, but it's been less than two years since he was made pope. the first step to enacting reforms is to prompt discussion on making them. the backlash would be larger if there were no hints or warnings that changes were coming. but of course, we'll only know how much he changes, both officially and unofficially, with time.[/QUOTE] Wow man, you've gotta have some fucking gargantuan cajones to just straight up say that the Pope is ignorant, not even in like side dicussion sort of thing like down in the pub, but to literally directly address the Pope and just say "Nah man you don't know shit."
[QUOTE=bravehat;46817023]Wow man, you've gotta have some fucking gargantuan cajones to just straight up say that the Pope is ignorant, not even in like side dicussion sort of thing like down in the pub, but to literally directly address the Pope and just say "Nah man you don't know shit."[/QUOTE] Why does that take balls? Evangelicals have been shitting on the Pope for centuries.
[QUOTE=bravehat;46815118]Quite frankly I'm impressed there are still people who think the Vatican is still in the dark ages.[/QUOTE] I'm still impressed how the whole Dark Ages myth is still considered by most to be a real thing.
[QUOTE=Explosions;46817229]Why does that take balls? Evangelicals have been shitting on the Pope for centuries.[/QUOTE] Well it's either that or he's a prolific fucking retard so I guess I'm just an optimist at heart.
[QUOTE=CroGamer002;46817334]I'm still impressed how the whole Dark Ages myth is still considered by most to be a real thing.[/QUOTE] Doesn't help that the textbooks just sort of gloss over it, so it really reinforces the whole idea that there was this 400-500 year period where nothing really happened.
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46811732]I imagine it being like the creation of the Fellowship of the Ring, except in this one we'll have two Christians, a Muslim, a Jew, a pagan and four Buddhists travelling together and trying to solve global warming. [editline]28th December 2014[/editline] And they all have to be super stereotypes. Crusader, jihadist, rabbi, witch and four Shaolin Monks.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/madG2Jk.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;46819825][img]http://i.imgur.com/madG2Jk.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Bravo.
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