Woman Allegedly Raped by Two Strippers at a Gay Club
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If you think rape jokes are okay you should read this:
“This fetishization of not censoring yourself, of being an “equal-opportunity offender,” is bizarre and bad for comedy. When did “not censoring yourself” become a good thing? We censor ourselves all the time, because we are [I]not entitled, sociopathic fucks[/I]. Your girlfriend is censoring herself when she says she’s okay with you playing Xbox all day. In a way, comedy is censoring yourself—comedy is picking the right words to say to make people laugh. A comic who doesn’t censor himself is just a dude yelling. And being an “equal opportunity offender”—as in, “It’s okay, because Daniel Tosh makes fun of ALL people: women, men, AIDS victims, dead babies, gay guys, blah blah blah”—falls apart when you remember (as so many of us are forced to all the time) that [I]all people are not in equal positions of power[/I]. “Oh, don’t worry—I punch everyone in the face! People, baby ducks, a lion, this Easter Island statue, the ocean…” Okay, well that baby duck is dead now. And you’re a duck-murderer. [I]It’s really easy to believe that “nothing is sacred” when the sanctity of your body and your freedom are never legitimately threatened.[/I]”
That's pretty much what XD means, even though he/she misapplied it.
There HAS to be a lot more to this story.
A woman, in the VIP room of a gay strip club, gets raped? First of all, VIP rooms are for people who want sexual contact with the strippers, it cost extra go in there, A LOT extra...so they tell me.
Plus was she alone? I can't imagine a woman going to the VIP room(which costs extra btw) by herself. Doesn't she know what kind of shenanigans go in in there? The kind that costs extra! So what do her friends have to say about what went on?
Finally, scraping DNA evidence out of a VIP strip club area will be about as informative as weighing the poop in a campground port o potty- yeah you'll be able to tell a bunch of people dumped a load there but that's about it.
I think this lady is full of crap and is just trying to get a quick buck.
[QUOTE=Dori;36761898]yeah who cares if people continue to perpetuate rape culture. boys will be boys lol!![/QUOTE]
"rape culture"
It isn't rape! It's forced prostitution from a stripper. Wait.
must be bath salts and violent video games
[QUOTE=MrTwicks;36763273]must be bath salts and violent video games[/QUOTE]
and dem homosexuals. Nobama. Romney 2012
[QUOTE=zombays;36763310]and dem homosexuals. Nobama. Romney 2012[/QUOTE]
ron paul 2012
[QUOTE=MrTwicks;36763396]ron paul 2012[/QUOTE]
paun rol 2012
i don't understand how you can get raped at a gay bar
full of gays
when you're straight
and the opposite gender
[QUOTE=LilRobot;36763449]paun rol 2012
i don't understand how you can get raped at a gay bar
full of gays
[B]when you're straight[/B]
and the opposite gender[/QUOTE]
I don't really think your own preferences factor in when you're getting raped.
I don't know, just a hunch.
[QUOTE=Dori;36761898]yeah who cares if people continue to perpetuate rape culture. boys will be boys lol!![/QUOTE]
If words hurt you so much then I don't mind offending you.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;36763911]If words hurt you so much then I don't mind offending you.[/QUOTE]
have you ever been raped? has anybody close to you been raped? why do you think your input matters?
Not all the strippers would be gay. It's usually good money, so I wouldn't assume none of them are straight.
I see it like this, someone will make a rape joke and then someone will bitch at them, and this will go on forever no matter how much [b]useless[/b] facepunch arguing you are planning to do. Personally I hardly ever make rape jokes, so...
Also this is one of the weirdest rape cases I've read.
I saw something about this on the news two days ago.
[QUOTE=Dori;36761898]yeah who cares if people continue to perpetuate rape culture. boys will be boys lol!![/QUOTE]
Yeah, okay maybe making rape jokes is tasteless, that I can agree with.
I don't get how the initial thing that started this was really about rape, though.
He was making fun of plenty of conservative and religious views that view that gays are destroying America, and such. He was making fun of those people, NOT rape victims.
So yeah, making a rape joke isn't funny, but that wasn't the initial spark.
[editline]14th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dori;36763933]have you ever been raped? has anybody close to you been raped? why do you think your input matters?[/QUOTE]
In this same argument, my opinion on rape shouldn't matter since I've never felt the effects of it personally. I might as well not care about the holocaust, as I'm not the one being killed. It's a silly argument in my opinion, as the idea and arguments matter, not who's saying it.
I'm not trying to debunk your side, by the way. I agree that rape is a serious issue, and that he's wrong, but I just think that style of arguing is inherently flawed.
we r all human bengs and ar deservd to be haved gay and knot rapped
[QUOTE=Zally13;36768031]
In this same argument, my opinion on rape shouldn't matter since I've never felt the effects of it personally. I might as well not care about the holocaust, as I'm not the one being killed. It's a silly argument in my opinion, as the idea and arguments matter, not who's saying it.
I'm not trying to debunk your side, by the way. I agree that rape is a serious issue, and that he's wrong, but I just think that style of arguing is inherently flawed.[/QUOTE]
this is asinine. my point is that you have no right to marginalize rape and rape culture if you've never felt its effects
[QUOTE=Dori;36769464]this is asinine. my point is that you have no right to marginalize rape and rape culture if you've never felt its effects[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you do.
You have the right to do whatever the fuck you want. Just because you lack it happening directly to you doesn't remove the validity of what you say. Debating doesn't matter of who it came from, but rather of what the point is.
I can feel empathy for a rape victim without being raped or having had a loved one do it, so why shouldn't someone be able to criticize it?
Awh, cute, you rated me dumb.
Swinging Richards has to be the best gay stripper bar name ever.
[QUOTE=Zally13;36769529]Yeah, you do.
You have the right to do whatever the fuck you want. Just because you lack it happening directly to you doesn't remove the validity of what you say. Debating doesn't matter of who it came from, but rather of what the point is.
I can feel empathy for a rape victim without being raped or having had a loved one do it, so why shouldn't someone be able to criticize it?
Awh, cute, you rated me dumb.[/QUOTE]
As a white man, I personally think that black people should just shut up about this supposed "racism". They can vote, and there's a black president, so there isn't any more racism!
This argument is completely valid.
[sp]sarcasm if you couldn't tell[/sp]
Yeah, you have the right to argue whatever you want. That doesn't mean that whatever you argue is right.
[QUOTE=Last or First;36769885]As a white man, I personally think that black people should just shut up about this supposed "racism". They can vote, and there's a black president, so there isn't any more racism!
This argument is completely valid.
[sp]sarcasm if you couldn't tell[/sp]
Yeah, you have the right to argue whatever you want. That doesn't mean that whatever you argue is right.[/QUOTE]
That's not even what I'm arguing for, so don't try to straw man me.
What I'm trying to say is that just because I lack personal experience, doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion on the matter. I know that killing people is wrong, and I shun killers, yet I haven't ever had someone close to me killed or been killed myself (obviously).
[QUOTE=Zally13;36769921]That's not even what I'm arguing for, so don't try to straw man me.
What I'm trying to say is that just because I lack personal experience, doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion on the matter. I know that killing people is wrong, and I shun killers, yet I haven't ever had someone close to me killed or been killed myself (obviously).[/QUOTE]
Let me rephrase this.
Yes, you're always allowed to have an opinion on the matter.
That doesn't automatically mean that your opinion matters. Especially not if it's misinformed.
The thing is, if you're arguing for the side of the victims, you have the victims' words to back you up. The same isn't so if you're against the victims: unless if you're a victim yourself, you don't know what it's like to be a victim, nor do you have the words of victims who [I]do[/I] know what it's like. Now, you can try and get actual arguments and facts on your side, but "lol rape culture doesn't exist" has neither. So it's a useless statement that doesn't matter.
Yes, zakedodead is allowed to make idiotic comments. That doesn't mean they're not idiotic, nor does it mean that they matter.
[QUOTE=Last or First;36769994]Let me rephrase this.
Yes, you're always allowed to have an opinion on the matter.
That doesn't automatically mean that your opinion matters. Especially not if it's misinformed.
The thing is, if you're arguing for the side of the victims, you have the victims' words to back you up. The same isn't so if you're against the victims: unless if you're a victim yourself, you don't know what it's like to be a victim, nor do you have the words of victims who [I]do[/I] know what it's like. Now, you can try and get actual arguments and facts on your side, but "lol rape culture doesn't exist" has neither. So it's a useless statement that doesn't matter.
Yes, zakedodead is allowed to make idiotic comments. That doesn't mean they're not idiotic, nor does it mean that they matter.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but it also doesn't mean that they don't. What I'm trying to say is that humans can perceive rape through media, passage of information, etc. that doesn't relate directly to personal experience. That's all I'm arguing. I think rape is wrong and the majority of rape jokes are in poor taste, but that doesn't mean that anybody that hasn't been raped should have their opinion discarded because they haven't felt it. In this regard, we may as well say that you can't be angry at a rapist because you've never raped somebody. It's not hard to look around and understand how these experiences impact things.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;36762424]"rape culture"[/QUOTE]
I never really got the thing with rape culture.
is it some form of secret club where men gather in a large room and discuss rape?
[QUOTE=Dori;36769464]this is asinine. my point is that you have no right to marginalize rape and rape culture if you've never felt its effects[/QUOTE]
I don't really understand. He's not condoning rape, he's condoning being able to say whatever he wants, you were saying pretty straight forward that "no one has the right" to joke about rape. Barring the fact that free speech is typically looked upon as a basic human right in many countries, are we expected to only feel negative emotions anytime something shitty happens? Rape is something that happens. This is one out of millions of cases of rape, and I think it's petty of you to assume that everyone must be as broken up about it as you are. Humor lightens the mood, and the joke wasn't really about rape more than it was about gays. The particular circumstances of this case are what made it work.
[QUOTE=Streecer;36771387]I never really got the thing with rape culture.
is it some form of secret club where men gather in a large room and discuss rape?[/QUOTE]
It's where people try to make a rape victim believe that them being raped was their fault.
Usually by saying things along the lines of "Well they were asking for it by dressing that way", and things like that.
I still disagree with a lot of people's opinions here about self-induced impairment making you a rape victim if you happened to have non-violent sex while impaired. It just brings up a whole lot of complications to cases.
Like, if they're both mentally impaired from alcohol, and they fuck, whose at fault then?
The one doing the crime is always at fault.
IE: You have two people, both drunk out of their heads, but neither is committing a crime. Now one commits a crime. How are both of them at fault? The fact the crime is rape, or the fact that the crime was committed against the other drunk person doesn't alter that.
What being drunk does alter, if you are the victim, is your credibility to a potential jury. The members of the jury need to believe you, if it's a he said/she said case. If you have to start your testimony by admitting up front you were mentally out of it to some extent, yeah that's going to have an impact on your believability. It doesn't cause you to share fault though.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;36771627]It's where people try to make a rape victim believe that them being raped was their fault.
Usually by saying things along the lines of "Well they were asking for it by dressing that way", and things like that.
I still disagree with a lot of people's opinions here about self-induced impairment making you a rape victim if you happened to have non-violent sex while impaired. It just brings up a whole lot of complications to cases.
Like, if they're both mentally impaired from alcohol, and they fuck, whose at fault then?[/QUOTE]
That thread was fun.
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