The United States has sustained its first casualty in the fight against ISIS. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;46145946]Can we please stop using the fucking osprey[/QUOTE] The only other VTOLs we have are even worse.

[QUOTE=Paradox621;46145371]Can't believe they're still flying these fucking things. Wikipedia lists 36+ fatalities and 7 hull losses, that's a pretty awful track record considering we've made less than 300.[/QUOTE] Makes me nervous as hell since our local airbase has a few of them. Sometimes they fly so low over my mom's house in the country that she can read the fuckin' numbers on them.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;46145965]The only other VTOLs we have are even worse.[/QUOTE] There are no other VTOLs currently in service.

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;46145320]We live in one hell of a time. So far only one recorded person in our massive national military has lost their life in a massive international war, making headlines, and the person didn't even die at the hands of the enemy. Tragic, but at the same time it's a sign of how incredibly fortunate we are.[/QUOTE] This isn't a massive war from the coalition standpoint. Not even close.

[QUOTE=Riller;46146212]There are no other VTOLs currently in service.[/QUOTE] harrier jump jet?

[QUOTE=AJ10017;46146245]harrier jump jet?[/QUOTE] Is serving an entirely different role from the Osprey. But you're not wrong, ol' girl's still in service.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46145745]Except our massive military isn't in a massive international war. It's a couple of ships sending even fewer planes out to drop a couple bombs. I would be seriously surprised if we lost a lot of people doing a whole lot of nothing except a handful of airstrikes. It's not a sign at all other than you grossly overestimating the extent of US participation against ISIS. [editline]3rd October 2014[/editline] Majority of US casualties in the Spanish-American War died from disease, much of which before even their first battle yet they are considered casualties because despite not going against the enemy, they were still combatants in arms against them.[/QUOTE] Youre partially right, the military considers those and these casualties "DNBI" or "Disease Non Battle Injuries". Injuries and casualties caused by direct enemy action are considered battle casualties.

[QUOTE=Riller;46146279]Is serving an entirely different role from the Osprey. But you're not wrong, ol' girl's still in service.[/QUOTE] They're also working on a STOVL (Short TakeOff Vertical Landing, mostly a VTOL) model of the F-35, and it's the worst thing to come out of that project. Although that is also meant for a completely different role than the V-22.

The Navy is a place where the incompetence of your fellow sailors and machine malfunction are more likely to get you killed. When I was at Navy bootcamp the number one thing you are taught is to not make mistakes, because if you're the one making mistakes you're the one who's gonna kill somebody. All the stories we were told about casualties in bootcamp where accidents too. From turning on a boiler with somebody inside cleaning it to a sailor having the entire right side of his body crushed by the mechanisms of the rudder. The US Military is dangerous but if you're not boots on the ground it's not the enemy you need to be worried about. [sp]I know he was a Marine, but he was a pog which isn't much different than being a sailor[/sp]

[QUOTE=AJ10017;46146245]harrier jump jet?[/QUOTE] The harrier isn't a transport vehicle.

[QUOTE=B!N4RY;46146562]The harrier isn't a transport vehicle.[/QUOTE] He was responding to a guy that said "we have no other VTOLs in service."

[QUOTE=spiritlol;46146551]The Navy is a place where the incompetence of your fellow sailors and machine malfunction are more likely to get you killed. When I was at Navy bootcamp the number one thing you are taught is to not make mistakes, because if you're the one making mistakes you're the one who's gonna kill somebody. All the stories we were told about casualties in bootcamp where accidents too. From turning on a boiler with somebody inside cleaning it to a sailor having the entire right side of his body crushed by the mechanisms of the rudder. The US Military is dangerous but if you're not boots on the ground it's not the enemy you need to be worried about. [sp]I know he was a Marine, but he was a pog which isn't much different than being a sailor[/sp][/QUOTE] Bro a Marine died supporting a mission and you're focused on calling him a pog?

I was flown off the Makin two days prior to this incident. We were actually waiting on ground for that MV-22 to show up so we could continue with a mission. At the time we only heard that it went down and one guy was missing. We soon found out who it was and it came as a bit of a shock. I recognized his name but couldn't place the face. We didn't even get photo ID until today. I didn't know him personally, but I knew him in passing while on ship.

As cool as the osprey looks. Its a fucking death trap.

To be fair, as awful an aircraft the Osprey is, the alternatives aren't exactly spectacular. A LOT of helicopters were lost in both Afganistan and Iraq due to both accidents and weapons fire (mostly accidents). I don't remember the exact number of losses but it was well over 300 or so, probably more as that was quite a while ago. (someone else probably has more up to date stats on that sort of thing) Even with the Osprey's shitty record, I'm not sure I'd be surprised if ends up being considered "successful" just because the "bar for success" on its role seems depressingly low.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46148546]Bro a Marine died supporting a mission and you're focused on calling him a pog?[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying that being a pog isn't much different than being a sailor, in that you're more likely to die from mishaps than from the enemy.