• H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine causing Miscarriages on Pregnant Women
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The point is that swine flu have killed people, while the vaccine haven't and isn't supposed too. Also I'm aware that common influenza kills more people than swine flu.
US/UK: [url]http://www.naturalnews.com/027512_vaccines_miscarriage.html[/url] [url]http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Non-food/Drug/shocking_swine_flu_vaccine_miscarriage_stories_131120090709.html[/url] [url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/shocking-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-miscarriage-stories-from-pregnant-women-%E2%80%93-tell-your-doctors-that-vaccines-and-pregnancy-do-not-mix.html[/url] [url]http://www.freep.com/article/20091108/FEATURES08/911080329/?imw=Y[/url] [url]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-flu-pregnancy23-2009oct23,0,624416.story?track=rss[/url] [url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-flu-pregnant-immune_glantonnov13,0,1577916.story[/url] [url]http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49017/title/Science_%2B_the_Public__H1N1_vaccine_Counting_side_effects[/url] [quote]A new international study calculates that up to 400 out of every million pregnant women who receive such swine-flu shots will experience a miscarriage[/quote] [url]http://www.examiner.com/x-17695-Tampa-Health-Care-Examiner~y2009m11d14-Boy-develops-GuillainBarre-syndrome-after-receiving-H1N1-swine-flu-vaccine[/url] (not related but also a bad side effect) [url]http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/nov/12/q-kansas-health-officer-about-h1n1/[/url] [url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/french-woman-gets-crippling-illness-after-h1n1-vaccine.html[/url] (another case of a bad side effect) [url]http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/nov/12/are-women-miscarrying-because-vaccine/[/url] [url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/h1n1-vaccine/MY00984[/url] Spain: [url]http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/555405/0/vacuna/gripe-a/temores/[/url] Portugal: [url]http://www.google.com/hostednews/epa/article/ALeqM5i9I5u75oLxuVZszq4-rrWgQnqwZg[/url] [url]http://aeiou.visao.pt/gen.pl?p=vticker&fokey=vs.stories/537256[/url] These are just from the languages I speak, you can find many more by searching "miscarriage" and "h1n1" together or their respective translations. It is common knowledge that the virus itself causes miscarriages, there's a very likely possibility that the vaccine can have the same effect considering it weakens your immune system before making it immune to the swine flu and reduces blood flow to the fetus, add reduced blood flow to a weaker immune system and you got a dead fetus. Probably the most reliable is this one listed above and below: [url]http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49017/title/Science_%2B_the_Public__H1N1_vaccine_Counting_side_effects[/url] Even though the article says that the vaccines and the miscarriages aren't related, you have to keep in mind that most of these cases were HEALTHY pregancies, the fetus' had no problem whatsoever, neither did the mothers and yet 1-4 days after getting the shot, fetus dies.
[QUOTE=johanz;18437349]Neither are you.[/QUOTE] I'm not the one making assumptions on how the vaccine was created.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18437843]I'm not the one making assumptions on how the vaccine was created.[/QUOTE] Simple common knowledge tells us that vaccines take years to be properly tested, just look at any other vaccine. This vaccine was produced surprisingly fast in comparison with most vaccines, which as I've already said, take several years.
[QUOTE=Technopath;18437830]US/UK: [url]http://www.naturalnews.com/027512_vaccines_miscarriage.html[/url] [url]http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Non-food/Drug/shocking_swine_flu_vaccine_miscarriage_stories_131120090709.html[/url] [url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/shocking-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-miscarriage-stories-from-pregnant-women-%E2%80%93-tell-your-doctors-that-vaccines-and-pregnancy-do-not-mix.html[/url] [url]http://www.freep.com/article/20091108/FEATURES08/911080329/?imw=Y[/url] [url]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-flu-pregnancy23-2009oct23,0,624416.story?track=rss[/url] [url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-flu-pregnant-immune_glantonnov13,0,1577916.story[/url] [url]http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49017/title/Science_%2B_the_Public__H1N1_vaccine_Counting_side_effects[/url] [url]http://www.examiner.com/x-17695-Tampa-Health-Care-Examiner~y2009m11d14-Boy-develops-GuillainBarre-syndrome-after-receiving-H1N1-swine-flu-vaccine[/url] (not related but also a bad side effect) [url]http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/nov/12/q-kansas-health-officer-about-h1n1/[/url] [url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/french-woman-gets-crippling-illness-after-h1n1-vaccine.html[/url] (another case of a bad side effect) [url]http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/nov/12/are-women-miscarrying-because-vaccine/[/url] [url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/h1n1-vaccine/MY00984[/url] Spain: [url]http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/555405/0/vacuna/gripe-a/temores/[/url] Portugal: [url]http://www.google.com/hostednews/epa/article/ALeqM5i9I5u75oLxuVZszq4-rrWgQnqwZg[/url] [url]http://aeiou.visao.pt/gen.pl?p=vticker&fokey=vs.stories/537256[/url] These are just from the languages I speak, you can find many more by searching "miscarriage" and "h1n1" together or their respective translations. It is common knowledge that the virus itself causes miscarriages, there's a very likely possibility that the vaccine can have the same effect considering it weakens your immune system before making it immune to the swine flu and reduces blood flow to the fetus, add reduced blood flow to a weaker immune system and you got a dead fetus. Probably the most reliable is this one listed above and below: [url]http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49017/title/Science_%2B_the_Public__H1N1_vaccine_Counting_side_effects[/url] Even though the article says that the vaccines and the miscarriages aren't related, you have to keep in mind that most of these cases were HEALTHY pregancies, the fetus' had no problem whatsoever, neither did the mothers and yet 1-4 days after getting the shot, fetus dies.[/QUOTE] do you even read your source articles a lot of those articles say there is no correlation between getting a shot and having a miscarriage including the only credible looking source on your list so until you bring up some irrefutable proof that the H1N1 vaccine will cause miscarriages you should stop posting this crap [editline]12:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Technopath;18437912]Simple common knowledge tells us that vaccines take years to be properly tested, just look at any other vaccine. This vaccine was produced surprisingly fast in comparison with most vaccines, which as I've already said, take several years.[/QUOTE] the swine flu vaccine has been tested more than the seasonal flu shot are you saying the seasonal flu shot kills people/fetuses
[QUOTE=Technopath;18437912]Simple common knowledge tells us that vaccines take years to be properly tested, just look at any other vaccine. This vaccine was produced surprisingly fast in comparison with most vaccines, which as I've already said, take several years.[/QUOTE] H1N1 has been responsible for flu infections since 2005.
[QUOTE=rilez;18437932]do you even read your source articles a lot of those articles say there is no correlation between getting a shot and having a miscarriage including the only credible looking source on your list so until you bring up some irrefutable proof that the H1N1 vaccine will cause miscarriages you should stop posting this crap [editline]12:29PM[/editline] the swine flu vaccine has been tested more than the seasonal flu shot are you saying the seasonal flu shot kills people/fetuses[/QUOTE] Let me get something straight, I'm not a scientist and I don't have access to the vaccine or the knowledge to properly test its effects, if I did I wouldn't mind doing it. I'm not saying the articles say it's caused by the vaccine, they do however report on studies done and people who miscarried 1-4 days after getting the shot. Over here the government also say that both cases in this country weren't caused by it, yet they refuse to give proof of what caused it, attributing it to "sudden death". Keep in mind, I'm not trying to prove that the vaccine causes it or not, I'm just curious because: - Most doctors and hospital staff refuse to take the shot. - The labs providing the vaccine warn governments that it might not be safe for pregnant women, yet the governments say otherwise. - A lot of miscarriage cases happening all over the world ALWAYS 1-4 days after the mothers got the vaccine. - 2 cases already in my country just 1 week after vaccination started.
[QUOTE=Technopath;18437830] These are just from the languages I speak, you can find many more by searching "miscarriage" and "h1n1" together or their respective translations. It is common knowledge that the virus itself causes miscarriages, there's a very likely possibility that the vaccine can have the same effect considering it weakens your immune system before making it immune to the swine flu and reduces blood flow to the fetus, add reduced blood flow to a weaker immune system and you got a dead fetus. Probably the most reliable is this one listed above and below: [url]http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49017/title/Science_%2B_the_Public__H1N1_vaccine_Counting_side_effects[/url] Even though the article says that the vaccines and the miscarriages aren't related, you have to keep in mind that most of these cases were HEALTHY pregancies, the fetus' had no problem whatsoever, neither did the mothers and yet 1-4 days after getting the shot, fetus dies.[/QUOTE] Thanks for finding all the sources, although as you said they didn't really have the "Vaccine causes miscarriage" connection. Also, the vaccine doesn't weaken your immune system, it's a big myth. What's in most vaccine are either dead or weakened virus(!). [editline]06:40PM[/editline] Which your immune system responds to.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;18438041]Thanks for finding all the sources, although as you said they didn't really have the "Vaccine causes miscarriage" connection. Also, the vaccine doesn't weaken your immune system, it's a big myth. What's in most vaccine are either dead or weakened virus(!). [editline]06:40PM[/editline] Which your immune system responds to.[/QUOTE] Exactly what I'm going for, weakened virus so your immune system can adapt to it, however the swine flu itself causes miscarriages, if the vaccine is made of a weakened version of the virus and fetus' are weakened "versions" of a human, it could have a stronger effect on the fetus. Hence why the fetus dies and the mother doesn't.
The LA Times and Chicago Tribune (the only truly credible sources on that list) directly contradict your theory. Also, in response to the "OMG 400 of every million will miscarry!" statement, the rest of the article points out that the background miscarriage rate is more than enough to account for that. Hell, any given pregnancy has a 10-20% chance of miscarrying just by statistical default: [url]http://miscarriage.about.com/od/pregnancyafterloss/qt/miscarriage-rates.htm[/url] So out of every million pregnant women, vaccine or no, 100,000 will miscarry, or 397 for any given day. Somehow I'm not going to lose any sleep over 400 of them falling within a day of receiving a flu vaccine. This is just shameless fearmongering. [editline]12:54PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Technopath;18438070]Exactly what I'm going for, weakened virus so your immune system can adapt to it, however the swine flu itself causes miscarriages, if the vaccine is made of a weakened version of the virus and fetus' are weakened "versions" of a human, it could have a stronger effect on the fetus. Hence why the fetus dies and the mother doesn't.[/QUOTE] "Weakened version of the virus" is somewhat of a falsehood when it comes to vaccines. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine[/url] Some of them have dead viruses that have been killed by UV or heat, some have related organisms specifically grown in a lab to resemble but not have the effect of the virus, and some are just compounds with no organisms that train the body to fight the symptoms. If the H1N1 vaccine is anything like regular flu vaccine, it's just a sample of H1N1 virus that's basically been nuked in a microwave. It's dead, it can't hurt anyone.
:smug: That is all.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;18438111]"Weakened version of the virus" is somewhat of a falsehood when it comes to vaccines. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine[/url] Some of them have dead viruses that have been killed by UV or heat, some have related organisms specifically grown in a lab to resemble but not have the effect of the virus, and some are just compounds with no organisms that train the body to fight the symptoms. If the H1N1 vaccine is anything like regular flu vaccine, it's just a sample of H1N1 virus that's basically been nuked in a microwave. It's dead, it can't hurt anyone.[/QUOTE] If its dead and can't hurt anyone where would be the need to test it, just like any other vaccine? It's probably not just made of the dead virus, must have some other stuff in the mix that could cause problems.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;18438111]The LA Times and Chicago Tribune (the only truly credible sources on that list) directly contradict your theory. Also, in response to the "OMG 400 of every million will miscarry!" statement, the rest of the article points out that the background miscarriage rate is more than enough to account for that. Hell, any given pregnancy has a 10-20% chance of miscarrying just by statistical default: [url]http://miscarriage.about.com/od/pregnancyafterloss/qt/miscarriage-rates.htm[/url] So out of every million pregnant women, vaccine or no, 100,000 will miscarry, or 397 for any given day. Somehow I'm not going to lose any sleep over 400 of them falling within a day of receiving a flu vaccine. This is just shameless fearmongering. [/QUOTE] Pretty much what I thought. Most people here I bet don't know that miscarriages are fairly common. My mother miscarried twice before she had my brother and me And preterm labor being caused by the shot is complete BS. Its happens to almost every expected mother
Population control, anyone?
Swine Flu is bullshit anyway, but you say that 2 women had a miscarriage, and how many pregnant women took the vaccine? a couple of thousand? A couple 10 thousand? I mean it's more than dreadfull when a pregnant women does loose her child, but you haven't really give this any context.
[QUOTE=Technopath;18438409]If its dead and can't hurt anyone where would be the need to test it, just like any other vaccine? It's probably not just made of the dead virus, must have some other stuff in the mix that could cause problems.[/QUOTE] They have to run rigorous testings because it's required by the FDA.
think if i get it, my sperm will cause miscarriages?
[QUOTE=Technopath;18437830][quote]A new international study calculates that up to 400 out of every million pregnant women who receive such swine-flu shots will experience a miscarriage[/quote][/QUOTE] A great example of what is commonly known as quote mining. Here's the next line of the article: [quote=www.sciencenews.org]A new international study calculates that up to 400 out of every million pregnant women who receive such swine-flu shots will experience a miscarriage within 24 hours. [B] But not BECAUSE of their flu shots. These miscarriages would have normally occurred even if the moms-to-be had foregone vaccinations. And that’s because the average background miscarriage rate for any given day (among women far enough along to recognize they are pregnant) is about 397. Or so reports a new international analysis, which appeared online October 30, ahead of print, in the Lancet. To see an impact of the vaccine on pregnancy losses, miscarriage rates would have to spike well above that roughly 400-per-million figure, it notes. [/B] [/quote]
[QUOTE=sp00ks;18438658]A great example of what is commonly known as quote mining. Here's the next line of the article:[/QUOTE] I didn't mine anything, I also mentioned that part of the article in my post. [editline]06:40PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;18438615]They have to run rigorous testings because it's required by the FDA.[/QUOTE] And the FDA would require these tests because? It isn't obviously just a dead virus in there, otherwise vaccines wouldn't have side effects.
[QUOTE=Technopath;18438763]I didn't mine anything, I also mentioned that part of the article in my post. [/QUOTE] Then why did you quote a part of the article that makes it look like it says the exact opposite of what it actually says?
[QUOTE=sp00ks;18438844]Then why did you quote a part of the article that makes it look like it says the exact opposite of what it actually says?[/QUOTE] I quoted that because it was relevant to the thread, I also mentioned that most articles say it's not related, yet it is suspicious for reasons I also stated.
[QUOTE=Technopath;18438862]I quoted that because it was relevant to the thread, I also mentioned that most articles say it's not related, yet it is suspicious for reasons I also stated.[/QUOTE] You quoted that because it specifically supports your bullshit agenda. Every source you've cited that isn't prisonplanet crap directly debunks your whole "OMG VACCINE KILLS BABIES!" panic-mongering. There is nothing suspicious about it, the rate of miscarriage is exactly the same among pregnant women who take the vaccine as those who don't. You don't have a clue what you're actually talking about, you just saw some article on a conspiracy radio website and willfully ignored all the evidence to the contrary.
[QUOTE=Technopath;18438862]I quoted that because it was relevant to the thread, I also mentioned that most articles say it's not related, yet it is suspicious for reasons I also stated.[/QUOTE] The article is relevant to the thread, but you're still trying to trick people into believing it says something it does not. There is nothing "suspicious" about the rate of miscarriages.
Wait, why did they shoot it into pregnant women in the first place?
Because they are more likely to die from the flu than other women.
If it's happening with the vacine it'll probably happen with the real thing.
[QUOTE=Kingy_who;18439909]If it's happening with the vacine it'll probably happen with the real thing.[/QUOTE] Do you even know how Vaccines work?
Meh, those kids were going to grow up to be (insert race here) trash, anyways.
Why any pregnant woman would take a vaccine is beyond me. It's a deadly virus mixed with all kinds of nasty preservatives that haven't been tested properly.
Well If this thread or that news source are any indication of the average individual's level of gullibility and or scientific knowledge I think it's time for a Jones Town world tour.
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