• H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine causing Miscarriages on Pregnant Women
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[QUOTE=Technopath;18438070]Exactly what I'm going for, weakened virus so your immune system can adapt to it, however the swine flu itself causes miscarriages, if the vaccine is made of a weakened version of the virus and fetus' are weakened "versions" of a human, it could have a stronger effect on the fetus. Hence why the fetus dies and the mother doesn't.[/QUOTE] Actually, the shot contains the [b]dead[/b] virus. [editline]03:35PM[/editline] Rate me clocks. Didn't read the last page.
[QUOTE=Analog;18440606]Why any pregnant woman would take a vaccine is beyond me. It's a deadly virus mixed with all kinds of nasty preservatives that haven't been tested properly.[/QUOTE] Preservatives! Toxins! Electrolytes! It's a fucking dead flu cell preserved by [I]infinitesimal[/I] amounts of chemicals. Shut the fuck up until you know what the fuck you're talking about. [editline]09:47PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Technopath;18438409]If its dead and can't hurt anyone where would be the need to test it, just like any other vaccine? It's probably not just made of the dead virus, must have some other stuff in the mix that could cause problems.[/QUOTE] What, did the chemist in charge feel bored so he pumped it full of arsenic? Your whole argument is based on you not actually drawing any conclusions or naming any specifics.
Your avatar fits very well with your post.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;18441446]Your avatar fits very well with your post.[/QUOTE] H. R. Giger fits well with any post.
Look, the chance of having a miscarriage is around 15%. Now think about all the pregnant women in just the United States, for example. That is a lot of women having miscarriages every day. Many of these women will have recently had the H1N1 vaccine. Now does that mean the H1N1 vaccine caused their miscarriage? Of course not. They might very well have had that miscarriage even without the vaccine. I hate these types of false cause-and-effect arguments where there is absolutely no evidence that the vaccine is actually causing miscarriages.
[QUOTE=Technopath;18435416] It doesn't matter where the news comes from, I've seen news about this coming from trusted sources and untrusted ones, when the same news come from both trusted and untrusted sources THEN you know it's serious business. [/QUOTE] If you actually believe this, then you are a fucking idiot. "Hey guys, the Onion posted something! It's not really trustworthy for actually news, but since it doesn't matter what the source is, it must be true!" No disrespect for the Onion, of course. [B]EDIT:[/B] Also, in response to the actual story, the phrase 'post hoc, ergo propter hoc' comes to mind. Translated literally, it means "after this (in time), therefore because of this". Basically, it's referring to a mistake people make all the time where they think that just because A happens before B, it means that A must have caused B. [B]EDIT2:[/B] I just realized, the Times article you quoted has nothing to do with your point; in fact, it argues that pregnant women [I]SHOULD[/I] get the vaccine. Why the hell would you cite that as a source? In fact, after reading through a bit more, I've realized all your sources with any credibility don't support your point in the slightest. LA Times, Chicago Tribune, and New York Times all say the same thing - that women are afraid of getting the vaccinations, but most doctors recommend it. The rest of your sources aren't at all credible. I find this amusing.
[img]http://www.infowars.com/images/banners/MLS-banner-360x110.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2009/041109banner1.gif[/img] Those basically invalidates the article right there. That, and Alex Jones is a fearmonger.
Thankfully people who actually know something about logic and vaccines stepped in, after reading the first page I was in slight disbelief. What is it people being against vaccines? I just don't understand it, not everyone needs to get a vaccine due to herd immunity but if retards spread their bullshit ideas to others with their really bad correlation equals causation arguments then less and less people will get it thus making the infections worse and indirectly kill more people. If there is some issue with the vaccine then a reputable scientific publication about it would come out and/or the vaccine wouldn't have been approved. The logical thing to do is to research to see what the experts say about it from reputable(NOT bullshit 'anti vax') sources then decide, not listen to hearsay and dumb logic then spreading this misinformation to everyone. I find nothing more annoying than seeing people spread bad information about something relating to science, as if they know what they're talking about, the scary thing is that loads of people eat this bullshit up.
Hey, technoidiot, you're a dumbass. All the [I]"sources" [/I] you throw at us either completely contradict your shitty logic or come from completely biased and shitbrained conservative republican conspiracy websites. Get the fuck out. [editline]01:24AM[/editline] Oh yeah, by the way, just to correct things, [URL=http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=18436526&postcount=33]the Spanish government[/URL] does NOT refuse to give the vaccine to pregnant women.
[QUOTE=birkett;18435213]Epic. Just had my jab.[/QUOTE] I guess the babies weren't running Linux.
Then maybe stop fucking giving people this vaccine? I think after all the terrible shit it's done to people, maybe we need to stop handing shit out.
I got my jab awhile ago. Autistic kids here I come. :/
[QUOTE=Javascript;18444459]Then maybe stop fucking giving people this vaccine? I think after all the terrible shit it's done to people, maybe we need to stop handing shit out.[/QUOTE] Such as?
[QUOTE=Javascript;18444459]Then maybe stop fucking giving people this vaccine? I think after all the terrible shit it's done to people, maybe we need to stop handing shit out.[/QUOTE] I haven't heard of it doing anything bad to people, got any news sources?
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18441599]H. R. Giger fits well with any post.[/QUOTE] Go design a mutilated penis bus or something Giger
Uh oh, my really nice manager at work is pregnant and I think she got the vaccine. I hope she'll be ok. :sigh:
Well, the deaths have occurred more in pregnant women so its either a miscarriage or death in some cases. It also sucks because my sister's pregnant. She got the vaccine after hearing about the deaths.
Honestly if people are so worried, don't get the fucking vaccine. No one is making you unless you work at a place where it's required. But spreading rumors that it's "unsafe" it stupid. Let people who want to take it take it and go back to your life. And if you're not a pregnant woman, or don't know a woman who is pregnant, then why do you care?
And this is how it starts. Miscarriages, then impotence. After that, they'll start force vaccinations, to get the remaining population. Their plan is to reduce humanity to 100,000 people.
[QUOTE=drive_the_hive;18444174]Hey, technoidiot, you're a dumbass. All the [I]"sources" [/I] you throw at us either completely contradict your shitty logic or come from completely biased and shitbrained conservative republican conspiracy websites. Get the fuck out. [editline]01:24AM[/editline] Oh yeah, by the way, just to correct things, [URL=http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=18436526&postcount=33]the Spanish government[/URL] does NOT refuse to give the vaccine to pregnant women.[/QUOTE] Hey drive_the_asshole, Here's a more recent Spanish article: [url]http://www.abc.es/20091119/cordoba-cordoba/gripe-vacunas-para-embarazadas-20091119.html[/url] [quote]Las embarazadas cordobesas podrán protegerse contra la gripe A desde comienzos de la próxima semana. Ése es el plazo que maneja la delegación provincial de Salud de la Junta de Andalucía para que comience a administrarse la vacuna del H1N1 a las mujeres encinta, que son consideradas grupo de riesgo como los profesionales sanitarios y los militares. Así, las ciudadanas en estado se beneficiarán de la vacuna con una semana de retraso respecto al resto de la población, ya que la campaña de protección general comenzó el pasado lunes. El motivo de la dilación es que la vacuna convencional no es apta para las mujeres que esperan un hijo, pues para ellas se ha diseñado una específica que prescinde de sustancias adyuvantes, esto es, que no son esenciales para la prevención del mal porcino. [/quote] tl;dr - Spanish government follows recommendations from the labs they bought the vaccines from and delay pregnant women vaccination until next week, while they wait for a separate version of the vaccine ONLY for pregnant woman, which has some substance removed from it.
[QUOTE=Technopath;18450408]Hey drive_the_asshole, Here's a more recent Spanish article: [url]http://www.abc.es/20091119/cordoba-cordoba/gripe-vacunas-para-embarazadas-20091119.html[/url] tl;dr - Spanish government follows recommendations from the labs they bought the vaccines from and delay pregnant women vaccination until next week, while they wait for a separate version of the vaccine ONLY for pregnant woman, which has some substance removed from it.[/QUOTE] Er, since when do we trust the Spanish government to act logically and efficiently? Also, nice play on words, Technoasshole. [editline]10:09AM[/editline] And what fucking substance are you referring to. Actually name some fucking names for once.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18450422]Er, since when do we trust the Spanish government to act logically and efficiently? Also, nice play on words, Technoasshole. [editline]10:09AM[/editline] And what fucking substance are you referring to. Actually name some fucking names for once.[/QUOTE] Oh hai Mr. Mcsuckin :v: adyuvantes - analgesics
[QUOTE=Technopath;18450459]Oh hai Mr. Mcsuckin :v: adyuvantes - analgesics[/QUOTE] Are the companies that the Spanish government gets it's shit from the same companies that the rest of the world gets it's shit from? And why are there painkillers in a vaccine?
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18450483]Are the companies that the Spanish government gets it's shit from the same companies that the rest of the world gets it's shit from? And why are there painkillers in a vaccine?[/QUOTE] The Spanish government get them from 3 different labs, dunno which though. As for painkillers, why don't you ask them, for some reason they're removing them from the vaccines for pregnant women. I heard this on the news yesterday and someone asked for sources but they take a while to get on google news, here is the source.
[QUOTE=Technopath;18450506]The Spanish government get them from 3 different labs, dunno which though. As for painkillers, why don't you ask them, for some reason they're removing them from the vaccines for pregnant women. I heard this on the news yesterday and someone asked for sources but they take a while to get on google news, here is the source.[/QUOTE] Well if you don't even know what labs they're getting the vaccines from or what the chemicals in the vaccines are even supposed to do, why are you trying to apply this to the US?
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18450537]Well if you don't even know what labs they're getting the vaccines from or what the chemicals in the vaccines are even supposed to do, why are you trying to apply this to the US?[/QUOTE] I'm not, I was reporting on news I saw from several sources where people were attributing miscarriages to H1N1 vaccines within 1-4 days of getting the shot, now the Spanish government requests a separate vaccine for pregnant women without analgesics.
[QUOTE=Technopath;18450592]I'm not, I was reporting on news I saw from several sources where people were attributing miscarriages to H1N1 vaccines within 1-4 days of getting the shot, now the Spanish government requests a separate vaccine for pregnant women without analgesics.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that what you said had nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of the thread and you were implying nothing whatsoever.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18450630]So you're saying that what you said had nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of the thread and you were implying nothing whatsoever.[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying I was only reporting stuff and concerned in case this is true, so I was basically asking people to help me gather more information if possible JUST in case it was true, instead some assholes got the impression that I was trying to sell some bullshit agenda and going against Obama and shit, and then everyone jumped on the bandwagon.
[QUOTE=Technopath;18450682]No, I'm saying I was only reporting stuff and concerned in case this is true, so I was basically asking people to help me gather more information if possible JUST in case it was true, instead some assholes got the impression that I was trying to sell some bullshit agenda and going against Obama and shit, and then everyone jumped on the bandwagon.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. You're trying to distance yourself from your ridiculous opinion because it was proved to be an utter crock in [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=18438658&postcount=83[/url], also highlighted in [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=18438930&postcount=87[/url] This isn't reporting stuff, this is scaremongering through outrageous sources and is in no way news. You bought into the vaccine being badly tested, and thanks to this thread a load more people probably now retain the same stupid opinions. The people that worked on this vaccine are far smarter than you or I, and so anything that you could probably come up with has been thought of and accounted for.
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