UK General Election Day and Results: 'Parliament is Well Hung.' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ferrus;52352930]I get that it's popular to rag on Nige, but does the word 'most' not register with you guys or what[/QUOTE] He can spew whatever lies he wants because ultimately he is speaking to his supporters, not the parliament he is in. Tabloids will report all his mad zingers without pointing them false and supporters will just assume he speaks the truth because he's folksy and funny. And when he's called out for his bullshit it's another round of "Farage causes an outrage in parliament with his statement" yada yada and there will never be correction in press favorable to him. Farage is a meme and nothing more. His career relies on his supporters not caring to check what he says or assuming anyone calling him out is biased. There's a damn good reason ragging on him is popular among those whose political stance is based on more than just populist hot air.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52352846]I don't understand how anyone can see Nigel Farage as anything but a slimeball. [/QUOTE] boilrig is just deluded and has no idea what he's on about which has been proven in pretty much every brexit thread

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;52354178]boilrig is just deluded and has no idea what he's on about which has been proven in pretty much every brexit thread[/QUOTE] I still remember that empire comment, it's only funnier now.

loving the banter from both may and corbyn

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;52354178]boilrig is just deluded and has no idea what he's on about which has been proven in pretty much every brexit thread[/QUOTE] Well yeah that's obvious. I kinda stopped taking boilrig in particular seriously after reading 3 or 4 [b][ SECURE THE BREXIT AT ALL COSTS FOR THE GLORY OF THE EMPIRE ][/b] posts from him in a row despite the fact he's not even from Britain. I mean other people, I [i] know[/i] people who are actually alright, and yet they seem to think the dude is amazing- but they can't explain why without effectively lying to me. "He's just a normal bloke like us! he's not rich and doesn't afraid of the political correctness! and he drinks pints and stuff!"

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52354580]Well yeah that's obvious. I kinda stopped taking boilrig in particular seriously after reading 3 or 4 [b][ SECURE THE BREXIT AT ALL COSTS FOR THE GLORY OF THE EMPIRE ][/b] posts from him in a row despite the fact he's not even from Britain. I mean other people, I [i] know[/i] people who are actually alright, and yet they seem to think the dude is amazing- but they can't explain why without effectively lying to me. "He's just a normal bloke like us! he's not rich and drinks pints and stuff!"[/QUOTE] In my opinion this election proves that people pigeonholed UKIP voters. They suggested UKIP voters are extremists and in love with Nigel Farage, but I think perhaps neither are true. I think the loudest percentage of UKIP voters are definitely racist extremists in love with Farage.

[media]https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/874697806040018944[/media] Well this is a nice surprise.

[QUOTE=DrarrkS52;52355269][media]https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/874697806040018944[/media] Well this is a nice surprise.[/QUOTE] We're still in a period where we haven't quite managed to piss every EU member off with Mays total inability to argue for us. I expect that to change once she starts doing anything, or worse yet we send Farage back over there because our population just can't stop voting for the "Tigers eating my face" party. We were always going to be allowed back in, but it's never going to be on our terms. I hope you're all ready for the Euro when we inevitably realise this was a fucking mistake mere months after A50 is done. Hopefully the batty old cow is removed from power quickly and we don't fuck this all up, or better yet just rescind A50 before it really gets going.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;52355490]We're still in a period where we haven't quite managed to piss every EU member off with Mays total inability to argue for us. I expect that to change once she starts doing anything, or worse yet we send Farage back over there because our population just can't stop voting for the "Tigers eating my face" party. We were always going to be allowed back in, but it's never going to be on our terms. I hope you're all ready for the Euro when we inevitably realise this was a fucking mistake mere months after A50 is done. Hopefully the batty old cow is removed from power quickly and we don't fuck this all up, or better yet just rescind A50 before it really gets going.[/QUOTE] At this point, I think we're just making people pity us with May's and the Tory/Brexiteer's general ineptitude.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;52355490]We're still in a period where we haven't quite managed to piss every EU member off with Mays total inability to argue for us. I expect that to change once she starts doing anything, or worse yet we send Farage back over there because our population just can't stop voting for the "Tigers eating my face" party. We were always going to be allowed back in, but it's never going to be on our terms. I hope you're all ready for the Euro when we inevitably realise this was a fucking mistake mere months after A50 is done. Hopefully the batty old cow is removed from power quickly and we don't fuck this all up, or better yet just rescind A50 before it really gets going.[/QUOTE] Economics wise, its really not worth going back in. If the EU still had 30% of world trade, sure, but at 15%, its not enough to go back in, adopt the Euro and other rules for no reason. At this point you will probably get free trade without free movement, and thats all you really need.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;52356431]At this point you will [B]probably [/B]get free trade without free movement, and thats all you really need.[/QUOTE] There shouldn't be a probably to it. You should be able to prove that the UK would benefit economically by leaving the EU.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52356530]There shouldn't be a probably to it. You should be able to prove that the UK would benefit economically by leaving the EU.[/QUOTE] To actually see the outcome of this entire situation going forward, we really need to know what the negotiations are going to be about, once we do everyone will begin running the numbers and we will see what the future holds for the UK. There is an overall view that the short term will be rocky going forward, but predictions are split around the future/long term view of Brexit, which relies on negotiations to predict. [URL="http://brexitcentral.com/no-soft-brexit-not-exist-serious-credible-option/"]Good read.[/URL]

MayBot's Mexican Wave programming requires tuning. [img]https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2017/06/13/22/maymexicanwave.jpg[/img] Corbyn is going on the offensive and planning a tour of 65 marginal seats.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;52356431]Economics wise, its really not worth going back in. If the EU still had 30% of world trade, sure, but at 15%, its not enough to go back in, adopt the Euro and other rules for no reason. At this point you will probably get free trade without free movement, and thats all you really need.[/QUOTE] We don't have to adopt the euro, and we won't get free trade for free if we leave. Brexitref2 please.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;52356431]Economics wise, its really not worth going back in. If the EU still had 30% of world trade, sure, but at 15%, its not enough to go back in, adopt the Euro and other rules for no reason. At this point you will probably get free trade without free movement, and thats all you really need.[/QUOTE] If we came back in we would probably be where we were last may i.e. no euro. It's beneficial for everyone if we go back in so I doubt the EU would try and block it by forcing the euro.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;52356431]Economics wise, its really not worth going back in. If the EU still had 30% of world trade, sure, but at 15%, its not enough to go back in, adopt the Euro and other rules for no reason. At this point you will probably get free trade without free movement, and thats all you really need.[/QUOTE] Are you joking? Free trade without free movement? The entire point of free enterprise is [B]the freedom of movement of goods and labor[/B]. Labor, meaning people. If you want ""free trade"" without freedom of movement, good luck, because both EU membership and EEA membership require absolute freedom of movement. Freedom of movement of goods, what you're calling "free trade," is accompanied by the freedom of movement of labor. That is free trade, not just goods, not just services, but also labor. [URL="https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/"]nearly 50% of the UK's imports came from EU countries last year.[/URL] 46% of the UK's exports go to other EU countries, worth 13% of the UK's total economy. Other EU countries, to the UK? Range from 8-17% exports to the UK, worth about 3-4% of each country's economy. The UK is in a god-awful position to negotiate a new trade deal. They will either lose representation and still be privy to EU law in the EEA, rejoin the EU and lose the many, many exemptions and opt-outs that they've been granted as the EU grew in the past, or leave the EU and seriously damage their economy through both the EU's advantageous negotiating position and May's absolute inability to negotiate without spewing bile from the ulcers on her decayed teeth. No matter what, Brexit hurt the UK.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;52357463]We don't have to adopt the euro, and we won't get free trade for free if we leave. Brexitref2 please.[/QUOTE] But, that's what you had before the referendum. Will this whole ordeal make britain's EU membership go full circle where their official status is changed but they'll still be sitting on the fence, or was brexit all about immigration and not about sovereignty from the get go? I'm very confused.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;52357493]Are you joking? Free trade without free movement? The entire point of free enterprise is [B]the freedom of movement of goods and labor[/B]. Labor, meaning people. If you want ""free trade"" without freedom of movement, good luck, because both EU membership and EEA membership require absolute freedom of movement. Freedom of movement of goods, what you're calling "free trade," is accompanied by the freedom of movement of labor. That is free trade, not just goods, not just services, but also labor. [/QUOTE] Many countries have Free Trade Agreements, like the one Canada just signed with the EU (CETA), which in no way requires free movement. No where else in the world does free trade guarantee free movement of people. Movement is regulated. Totally free movement of goods, labour and capital is economic theory/perfect competition, which in reality cannot be achieved as it is only a model. [QUOTE=.Isak.;52357493] [URL="https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/"]nearly 50% of the UK's imports came from EU countries last year.[/URL] 46% of the UK's exports go to other EU countries, worth 13% of the UK's total economy. Other EU countries, to the UK? Range from 8-17% exports to the UK, worth about 3-4% of each country's economy. The UK is in a god-awful position to negotiate a new trade deal. They will either lose representation and still be privy to EU law in the EEA, rejoin the EU and lose the many, many exemptions and opt-outs that they've been granted as the EU grew in the past, or leave the EU and seriously damage their economy through both the EU's advantageous negotiating position and May's absolute inability to negotiate without spewing bile from the ulcers on her decayed teeth. No matter what, Brexit hurt the UK.[/QUOTE] In 1973, New Zealand sent around 60% of exports to the United Kingdom, by 2000 it had fallen to around 6%, because the UK joined the EU. New Zealand has signed free trade agreements including the worlds first with China, we dropped tariffs and subsidies, and survived. We and others will be lining up to sign agreements with the UK. We have already offered to send our lead negotiators to the UK to assist them in their talks. We are currently planning to start Free Trade talks with the EU this year. The EU is signing free trade agreements without free movement, why wouldn't they do the same for the UK?

[QUOTE=Boilrig;52357666]Many countries have Free Trade Agreements, like the one Canada just signed with the EU (CETA), which in no way requires free movement. No where else in the world does free trade guarantee free movement of people. Movement is regulated. Totally free movement of goods, labour and capital is economic theory/perfect competition, which in reality cannot be achieved as it is only a model. In 1973, New Zealand sent around 60% of exports to the United Kingdom, by 2000 it had fallen to around 6%, because the UK joined the EU. New Zealand has signed free trade agreements including the worlds first with China, we dropped tariffs and subsidies, and survived. We and others will be lining up to sign agreements with the UK. We have already offered to send our lead negotiators to the UK to assist them in their talks. We are currently planning to start Free Trade talks with the EU this year. The EU is signing free trade agreements without free movement, why wouldn't they do the same for the UK?[/QUOTE] It also took about 13 years, from the day that the initial framework was first designed, to the day that the agreement finally got signed. 13 years of tough diplomatic negotiations, during which, IF we assume that the talks with the UK will last about as long, the UK will have to trade using WTO rules which means crazy tariffs on everything. Also, remember, that every state in the EU block has veto rights on any deal like this, something that almost happend with the Canada deal; one nation don't wanna deal with you? Tough shit, no deal for you. Also, assuming that the Canada deal can just be applied to the UK completely ignores the different relations, history, and the different legislation each side will undoubtely want to change. These deals aren't just "one size fits all", they are incredibly complex pieces of legislation, and it is doubtful that the EU will want to negotiate a deal like that with the UK, 'cause what would the EU gain from it? Remember, YOU might want a deal like that, and it might [I]technically[/I] be possible, but you need the rest of the EU block to be onboard with that, and it doesn't seem like that will happen. The UK is not in a position where they can dictate the deal as they see fit... on the contrary, the UK is currently seen as politically unstable and "weak", not just due to the recent election, but also because the UK still doesn't have any proper "plan of attack" as it were for what they want, and how they want to get it in concrete detail. And no, a wish list that boils down to "having our cake and eating it" doesn't count. EDIT Like, I don't understand this train of thought that starts and ends with "oh, we can just get a deal that completely screws the EU and gets us all the benefits with no obligations", without making the next logical step and going "but wait, don't we need the other side to agree to this?". It's as if people completely ignore the fact that the EU is also a part of this two way negotiation process, and see it more as a buffet of law where they just chose what ever they want. That's not how ANY negotiation works. ESPECIALLY when you are going toe to toe with the EU, THE most tecnically complex economy in the world.

[media]https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/874971593604202501[/media] There might not even be a DUP deal...

Hopefully not, would be good to try and cripple the Tories so they can't force through their insane agenda.

[QUOTE=ben1066;52358690][media]https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/874971593604202501[/media] There might not even be a DUP deal...[/QUOTE] Second general election when

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52358814]Second general election when[/QUOTE] Usually I'd say "never" considering the Tories know Labour would win any election called right this minute, but considering their track record with calling unwise votes, I'm going with... Probably whenever it will next be most inconvenient for Uni students knowing the conservatives.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52358831]Probably whenever it will next be most inconvenient for Uni students knowing the conservatives.[/QUOTE] That would be around September when many will not be registered to vote where they are studying.

Could Labour force a vote of no confidence?

[QUOTE=Chrisordie;52358839]That would be around September when many will not be registered to vote where they are studying.[/QUOTE] Precisely. I remember someone on FP was saying that the Tories must be doing something right to get elected over and over, but I'm willing to bet that much of their good fortune in elections has been down to stuff like this.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52358864]Precisely. I remember someone on FP was saying that the Tories must be doing something right to get elected over and over, but I'm willing to bet that much of their good fortune in elections has been down to stuff like this.[/QUOTE] The amount of political games they play is ridiculous. It makes me beyond happy when it bites them in the arse.

[QUOTE=Grizz;52357448]MayBot's Mexican Wave programming requires tuning. [img]https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2017/06/13/22/maymexicanwave.jpg[/img] Corbyn is going on the offensive and planning a tour of 65 marginal seats.[/QUOTE] I don't know why but with that pose I sort of imagine her as an Earthbound enemy. Just put a psychedelic background behind her and play this [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aFPmqBNg0U[/media] The spiteful prime minister lost her party the majority in the confusion of the election!

RIP Farron. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40281300[/url]

[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;52359112]I don't know why but with that pose I sort of imagine her as an Earthbound enemy. Just put a psychedelic background behind her and play this [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aFPmqBNg0U[/media] The spiteful prime minister lost her party the majority in the confusion of the election![/QUOTE] Great, now you made me do this. [img]https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/izgLJSB0E.png[/img]