EA invite gamers to give feedback on Origin - Polidicks

[url]http://steamcommunity.com/groups/wehateorigin[/url] I didn't make this. But I joined it, because I do indeed hate origin for these reasons: Laggy and hardly works They got the beta part wrong-it should be in alpha and closed alpha. It's EAs pathetic attempt to get more monies It looks like they tried to copy steam as much as possible and failed horribly. And I guess they aren't going to get very much good feedback at all... (hence above link)

[QUOTE=DwarfOverlord;35821125][url]http://steamcommunity.com/groups/wehateorigin[/url] I didn't make this. But I joined it, because I do indeed hate origin for these reasons: Laggy and hardly works They got the beta part wrong-it should be in alpha and closed alpha. It's EAs pathetic attempt to get more monies It looks like they tried to copy steam as much as possible and failed horribly. And I guess they aren't going to get very much good feedback at all... (hence above link)[/QUOTE] Ooh so cool and edgy

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35809769]Ah yes, supporting an obviously superior service is bias[/QUOTE] The point is that both services are the exact same thing. They both do the exact same job. Yet people will constantly shit on Origin and give absolutely no reason for why it is bad. I have never ever ever heard a single argument since Origin was released explaining why it is a bad system or how it is worse than Steam, yet everybody always rates winner and zings on Origin hate posts.

Then there is Games for Windows.

[QUOTE=Kidd;35822276]Then there is Games for Windows.[/QUOTE] I think you mean Games for Windows Live. There's a difference.

I stopped trying to play BF3 because it never finished downloading on origin..

[quote=EA DumbFucks]That’s why we’d like to ask you to use take a moment and leave a comment about (1) Your favorite Origin feature and (2) A feature you’d like to see added or improved upon.[/quote] So basically, they want your opinion, if you use their guidelines. You know they will just ignore you if you actually say the entire thing is bad (which it is), all they are doing with it is making people play their games less, I will literally not buy a game if it is only on origin. They need to stop trying to be steam, stop being money whores and try actually making games to bed good, not to make money.

[QUOTE=tom1029;35823359]So basically, they want your opinion, if you use their guidelines. You know they will just ignore you if you actually say the entire thing is bad (which it is), all they are doing with it is making people play their games less, I will literally not buy a game if it is only on origin. They need to stop trying to be steam, stop being money whores and try actually making games to bed good, not to make money.[/QUOTE] Good thing you actually have evidence and reasons instead of making an angry rage post.

[QUOTE=Kabstrac;35809803]I like the download speeds on Origin, usually twice as fast as Steams.[/QUOTE] And they don't dominate your bandwidth, making it impossible to surf the web while downloading.

Only problem with Origin is their atrocious customer service and handling of customer accounts [I]which is everything that a DD service is[/I]

[QUOTE=DrLuke;35819588]Yes of course you're right, monopoly is never good, and that's exactly what's kind of going on here. EA only is selling their games on THEIR platform, forcing you to use it if you want to play games. But I don't want to have to use it. I want to be able to choose. And that's exactly what they're doing wrong.[/QUOTE] Umm.. Valve is selling their games on THEIR platform, forcing you to use it if you want to play games. Seriously you didn't even think about that did you? I'm not a Valve fanboy nor am I an EA fanboy.. I just like to keep the arguments fair.

The fact that they're forcing us to use it if we want to play certain games as opposed to trying to offer a better service is what gets me rustled more than anything.

Reading this thread, I guess I must be the only person who has never had a problem using steam's offline mode.

[QUOTE=Asmaedus;35823689]The fact that they're forcing us to use it if we want to play certain games as opposed to trying to offer a better service is what gets me rustled more than anything.[/QUOTE] So...exactly the same thing Valve did with HL2? Holy shit, we've managed to use this argument against so many people in this thread it's unreal. Do you not realize the hypocrisy of what you are posting? You can't stand for one company doing it then despise any other company that tries this system.

[QUOTE=The golden;35811541]My ISP, while being fast and reasonably priced, isn't the most consistent. I get hit with rolling blackouts - and I'm very often left unable to play my Steamworks games. (Offline mode doesn't work - computer is offline when connection is out).[/quote] That should be fixed now - every time I have connection problems (which admittedly isn't often but it happens) Steam asks if I want to go into offline mode. [quote]I also don't like having to use a client for my games, I prefer to have that be optional.[/quote] Well, you can't have optional but you can have "transparent" - desktop shortcuts, disable the overlay, and you'll barely even notice it. I know it's not the SAME but it's close.

[quote]I do like the ability to download games that I've purchased through other distribution sites and overall the program works rather smoothly. I do not like the privacy policy, the integration with Battlefield 3 is horribly obtuse and obstructive and only through the brilliance of BF3 do I suffer through the quagmire of the Battlelog and origin integration. I do not purchase anything through origin directly and I fully intend to uninstall origin the second I'm done playing Battlefield 3.[/quote] This guy is dead fucking on.

I only used Origin for the Mass Effect 3 demo so I can't comment on the BF3 complaints, but my friend with BF3 told me he isn't really happy about it. You supposedly launch the game/join a server through a browser or something? I understand EA why they made Origin. They want more money and they get it by avoiding giving some part of the game price to Steam/Valve. That's logical. Sadly, Origin is far from Steam at the moment and it will take time before it's features can be comparable to Steam's. Plus Origin as a shop is way behind with only few exclusives and some less popular titles. The one thing I do like about it though, is it has nice color palette and design.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;35823709]So...exactly the same thing Valve did with HL2? Holy shit, we've managed to use this argument against so many people in this thread it's unreal. Do you not realize the hypocrisy of what you are posting? You can't stand for one company doing it then despise any other company that tries this system.[/QUOTE] Except that Steam is an established platform for games and not having your game on Steam merely inconveniences everyone else. Here's a decent example, iTunes. Everyone expects your song to be on iTunes, but if you released your song on your own program that you need to have downloaded to get the song then people would be annoyed because they're forced to use it. Steam is like iTunes in the sense that it's an established platform and not having your games on Steam annoys everyone. Back when HL2 came out Steam wasn't as popular as it is today and it was therefore more annoying.

I don't see the problem with steam offline mode? I don't even have to use even when my connection is down and i can still play games (takes a bit longer because stream tries to load the cloud files).

[QUOTE=hexpunK;35823709]So...exactly the same thing Valve did with HL2? Holy shit, we've managed to use this argument against so many people in this thread it's unreal. Do you not realize the hypocrisy of what you are posting? You can't stand for one company doing it then despise any other company that tries this system.[/QUOTE] The only reason we can stand it is because Steam adds value to the customers and developers in the form of lots of useful extra features, such as the Workshop, Friends, Community pages, and let's not forget the continuous flow of ultra-good deals that those without Steam will miss out on. In other words, Steam compensates for its inconvenience. Origin on the other hand adds no value to the products it carries and merely becomes an obstacle. If Origin suddenly added a bunch of features and great offers that made it superior to Steam then Steam would be regarded the same way Origin is today, because few are willing to accept using more than one of this type of software.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;35823709]So...exactly the same thing Valve did with HL2? Holy shit, we've managed to use this argument against so many people in this thread it's unreal. Do you not realize the hypocrisy of what you are posting? You can't stand for one company doing it then despise any other company that tries this system.[/QUOTE] We can when one company is damned good, and the other company is pure shit.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;35826192]The only reason we can stand it is because Steam adds value to the customers and developers in the form of lots of useful extra features, such as the Workshop, Friends, Community pages, and let's not forget the continuous flow of ultra-good deals that those without Steam will miss out on. In other words, Steam compensates for its inconvenience. Origin on the other hand adds no value to the products it carries and merely becomes an obstacle. If Origin suddenly added a bunch of features and great offers that made it superior to Steam then Steam would be regarded the same way Origin is today, because few are willing to accept using more than one of this type of software.[/QUOTE] Right. But Steam didn't offer those back when it released, the exact same way Origin doesn't right now after release. Steam [B]only[/B] started offering those when people finally started to put up and deal with it. That isn't going to happen with Origin because "omg chang r scar me!!!". You can't keep pulling the "EA are doing it for money!!!" card when Valve did the same thing. And then praise Valve for doing it. Steam only became what it is today because people just dealt with using it. It only became this established platform because there was no other competition for it really, and you had no choice but to use it for Valve games. As soon as another company tries the exact same thing they are suddenly worse than the company that pioneered this model? Again, massive amounts of hypocrisy and flawed arguments.

[QUOTE=The golden;35809651]Not trying to defend Origin or EA here but seriously? You think a monopoly is a good thing? Competition is why Valve is able to offer you such nice deals. You think those will stick around if Steam is the only DD service?[/QUOTE] Steam has (estimated by other DD platforms) 70% of the market. If it was anyone who would be charging out the ass due to greed for owning so much of a market, it should be Steam, yet it doesn't. In fact, it's the exact opposite. So maybe introducing competition would drive prices up even?

[QUOTE=alien_guy;35822482]I think you mean Games for Windows Live. There's a difference.[/QUOTE] My mistake. That is what i meant.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;35829600]Steam has (estimated by other DD platforms) 70% of the market. If it was anyone who would be charging out the ass due to greed for owning so much of a market, it should be Steam, yet it doesn't. In fact, it's the exact opposite. So maybe introducing competition would drive prices up even?[/QUOTE] No that's is not how it works I'm sorry. I do agree that Valve is a wonderful company who doesn't skrew over its customers like EA but you're horribly oversimplifying everything.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;35825785] Here's a decent example, iTunes. Everyone expects your song to be on iTunes, but if you released your song on your own program that you need to have downloaded to get the song then people would be annoyed because they're forced to use it. Steam is like iTunes in the sense that it's an established platform and not having your games on Steam annoys everyone.[/QUOTE] I never thought of that. I feel so dirty now.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;35819572]Yeah true. Before the update it was faster to shut the game down, open a browser, look it up then boot the game back up again than it was to open it in the overlay. Currently the browser is pretty damn good though.[/QUOTE] It's usually faster to alt tab into a sideloaded browser than using thge overlay one. Just worth a mentioning. Hell the same goes for chatting with people over steam. [QUOTE=Fear_Fox;35820430]Before the update, the browser was an IE window. Not in any way intended or optimized to be used embedded into a game like an overlay. Now they are using a real rendering engine, which they have the ability to optimize to work in an overlay.[/QUOTE] Not entirely true. Prior to the update, steam was running on Trident - aka the rendering engine that IE runs on. Of course the problem with that is, that it's not a cross platform rendering engine so it was instead replaced with Webkit.

[QUOTE=The golden;35811590]Australians would beg to differ[/QUOTE] Steam doesn't set the prices, blame the publisher

[QUOTE=Zanfall;35812587]... 6. Registering legacy games is a clusterfuck. In order to register some games on Origin you have to go to one of three different locations. I. The Origin client. Most games don't register from here oddly enough. II. [URL]https://activate.ea.com/activategame.do[/URL] III. [URL]https://activate.ea.com/applyentitlement.do[/URL] I don't know how to even explain this shit. Crysis 1 is supposedly able to be registered from the second option but every time you try to it says that it can't be processed right now and that you should try later. (Don't bother it always says that) A few other select games work fine however, just not Crysis apparently. I would go on but as you can see my experience with Origin have been less than optimal. In conclusion, when Steam came out it was sort of pushing unknown territory at the time leading to unforeseen issues but that was in 2002. EA had 10 years to catch up in fact Origin as a code base has existed since 2005. Whats their excuse?[/QUOTE] This is one of the main things that annoys me, out of all the EA games I have it only accepts the keys from 2, and the other methods simply don't work (They claim the code is invalid, or spit out HTTP errors with stack traces, and clicking the help button leads to a 404 page) If I could activate any EA game on Origin the service would be pretty damn awesome (especially since EA took their games off Steam), but that just doesn't happen. For me Origin simply exists as an excuse for them to keep their games off Steam.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;35828947]Right. But Steam didn't offer those back when it released, the exact same way Origin doesn't right now after release. Steam [B]only[/B] started offering those when people finally started to put up and deal with it. That isn't going to happen with Origin because "omg chang r scar me!!!". You can't keep pulling the "EA are doing it for money!!!" card when Valve did the same thing. And then praise Valve for doing it. Steam only became what it is today because people just dealt with using it. It only became this established platform because there was no other competition for it really, and you had no choice but to use it for Valve games. As soon as another company tries the exact same thing they are suddenly worse than the company that pioneered this model? Again, massive amounts of hypocrisy and flawed arguments.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's right, Origin is what Steam was around the time HL2 came out. It should be obvious that you cannot offer a software equivalent of what another company published in 2003 and expect it to get the same response today. EA is late to the party and now has to deal with that. And you're missing part of the truth; Steam also became what it is today because it evolved and improved. It would NOT have reached its present popularity if it had remained the same hunk of junk it was on release in the presence of other alternatives; essentially this is the position Origin is in today. Also nobody had mentioned "XX is doing it for money!!" as far as I know.